Poll of the Day > One parent in that college admissions cheating scandal got sentenced to 6 months

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iirc this dad paid about half a mil to get his daughter into usc. Do any of you think the parents should get their money back that they padi to these colleges? especially if their kid was expelled?
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Zangulus posted...

Why the fuck should they get the money they spent on tuition back? The kid still went to school and had classes...

no i meant the money they paid to get them into college, not the tuition money, duh
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Huffman also pled guilty and was exhibited remorse for the crime
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you think lori loughlin will get a big sentence like this guy?
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Zangulus posted...

Why the fuck should they get the money they spent on tuition back? The kid still went to school and had classes...

Did they still get credit? If not, then I guess they should get their money back. But I also dont know the whole story. Ive only heard bits and pieces...
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Does a criminal get to keep their money when caught in a drug bust?

Im not making a statement... Im seriously asking.
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I should get some of the money too
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JebronLames posted...

no i meant the money they paid to get them into college, not the tuition money, duh

You mean, should they get their illegal bribe money back?

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Too lenient, a few years would be fair I think.

captpackrat posted...

You mean, should they get their illegal bribe money back?

By the same logic, though, should whoever they bribed be allowed to keep the illegal bribe money?
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

captpackrat posted...

You mean, should they get their illegal bribe money back?

By the same logic, though, should whoever they bribed be allowed to keep the illegal bribe money?

yeah no shit dude
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Too harsh, all he did was lie about his kids being high school athletes.

Felicity Huffman had some dude take the SAT/ACT for her daughter, and only get 11 days in prison, and that's a far worse crime.

But this country values sports over academic achievement, and then cries and wonders why we're falling behind others in the technical fields.

streamofthesky posted...

Too harsh, all he did was lie about his kids being high school athletes.

Felicity Huffman had some dude take the SAT/ACT for her daughter, and only get 11 days in prison, and that's a far worse crime.

But this country values sports over academic achievement, and then cries and wonders why we're falling behind others in the technical fields.

The problem with these people cheating to get their kids into the schools though is that other kids would have rightfully been admitted on their actual merits but missed the opportunity because of other folks being corrupt
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I still dont even know why this is such a big... thing.

Like honestly.. who gives a fuck?
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rexcrk posted...

I still dont even know why this is such a big... thing.

Like honestly.. who gives a fuck?

if some of em' weren't celebs then it wouldn't have gotten nearly the coverage
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Mead posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Too harsh, all he did was lie about his kids being high school athletes.

Felicity Huffman had some dude take the SAT/ACT for her daughter, and only get 11 days in prison, and that's a far worse crime.

But this country values sports over academic achievement, and then cries and wonders why we're falling behind others in the technical fields.

The problem with these people cheating to get their kids into the schools though is that other kids would have rightfully been admitted on their actual merits but missed the opportunity because of other folks being corrupt

Yeah...that's what I'm saying.

Someone smart didn't get into said college and may end up on a different course in life just b/c some rich asshole's dumb dumb kid couldn't pass the entrance exam.
Way bigger issue than some marginally talented high school athlete missing out on a college opportunity.

Also, the whole scandal *should* be leading to a conversation about sports scholarships being too abundant and how much sports is valued over other areas. Considering these colleges that supposedly "needed" to save these spots for athletes to fill out their teams...apparently didn't suffer at all from not getting them since no one even noticed or cared they were short some recruits.

They should get their money back for sure because if not then who gets to keep it. There's no better ethical option than giving it back

OhhhJa posted...

They should get their money back for sure because if not then who gets to keep it. There's no better ethical option than giving it back

yeah that's what i kinda thought, especially if the money went to the college, and then the college kicks their kid out?
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rexcrk posted...

I still dont even know why this is such a big... thing.

Like honestly.. who gives a fuck?

they took spots from other kids
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OhhhJa posted...

They should get their money back for sure because if not then who gets to keep it. There's no better ethical option than giving it back

Confiscating it as evidence so neither side gets it would probably be the most ethical option, to be honest.

But then you'd open doors concerning whether or not the government has the right to co-opt it entirely (and if so, what they can use the money for), or if it essentially winds up having to sit in an evidence lockup forever or wind up being destroyed to take it out of circulation (which is what happens with a lot of physical evidence after cases are concluded).
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

rexcrk posted...

I still dont even know why this is such a big... thing.

Like honestly.. who gives a fuck?

they took spots from other kids

Why should I care about people's kids I don't know like that?
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Maybe they could give the money back under the stipulation that it must be used for college, but like legitimately or something...
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Use the money for new scholarships for legit kids later.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

But then you'd open doors concerning whether or not the government has the right to co-opt it entirely (and if so, what they can use the money for), or if it essentially winds up having to sit in an evidence lockup forever or wind up being destroyed to take it out of circulation (which is what happens with a lot of physical evidence after cases are concluded).

And that is precisely my issue. I dont trust that any money confiscated would be allocated appropriately

give some of the money to me
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Take the money and fine the institution and jail for those taking the money in the first place.

OhhhJa posted...

And that is precisely my issue. I dont trust that any money confiscated would be allocated appropriately

But then you're right back to leaving the money in the hands of someone who profited from breaking the law.
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Mead posted...

I should get some of the money too

If you need money maybe you could get a job.

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SusanGreenEyes posted...

Mead posted...

I should get some of the money too

If you need money maybe you could get a job.

I have two jobs and still need money. Haha.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

OhhhJa posted...

And that is precisely my issue. I dont trust that any money confiscated would be allocated appropriately

But then you're right back to leaving the money in the hands of someone who profited from breaking the law.

It's a lose lose. Either way, it's going into a criminal's pocket

ParanoidObsessive posted...

But then you're right back to leaving the money in the hands of someone who profited from breaking the law.

So? If they earned it legitimately, they should get to keep it.
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None of these people should be in jail. Make them donate money or do community service or whatever. This is not what jail should be used for.

MICHALECOLE posted...

This is not what jail should be used for.

Jail is for sating the public, and the public doesn't want these people to be able to get away with anything by just throwing around more cash.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

This is not what jail should be used for.

Jail is for sating the public, and the public doesn't want these people to be able to get away with anything by just throwing around more cash.

Yeah thats not what jail should be for

MICHALECOLE posted...

Yeah thats not what jail should be for

It's wrong too. Otherwise people like George Zimmerman would be in jail.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

So? If they earned it legitimately, they should get to keep it.

Earning money through commission of a crime is the literal opposite of "legitimately".



MICHALECOLE posted...

Yeah thats not what jail should be for

Jail arguably has three purposes:

1) Punishment - inflicting unpleasantness on an offender partly because "they deserve it", and partly as a deterrent to other potential criminals

2) Detainment - keeping criminals off the streets to prevent them from committing more crimes

3) Rehabilitation - encouraging people to not commit future crimes by giving them alternatives to doing so

Realistically we should probably put the least amount of emphasis on the first one (since revenge/"justice" is kind of weak and deterrents rarely seem to work all that well in most cases) and the most emphasis on the last one (because turning a criminal into a law-abiding citizen means less criminals), but in practice we almost always do the reverse. We tend to be more vindictive than redemptive as a culture (which is also why ex-cons almost always have an extremely difficult time ever reintegrating back into society).
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