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darkprince45 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

99% of cops will defend bad cops. Defending a bad cop makes an otherwise good cop a bad cop.

Citation needed

remember when you didn't file a report on yourself for kicking your dog hard enough to break your leg
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The influence Live PD has had?
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Cause critical thinking is stupid
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Anteaterking posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

Or when that cop bought car seats for the lady who was too poor to afford them.

That's just Copaganda though. Those sorts of stories have been shown to crop up frequently after national anti-police stories get traction (such as after the Philandro Castile murder).

Also, is this your first time experiencing hyperbole? You seem to be aiming for a Lot arguing with God scenario with "If there is but one cop who is good can we please not say ACAB?"

There are ALWAYS anti cop stories. People do their best to hate the police, and people here are perfect examples. Theres stories of guys running away after violent crimes like armed robbery and the cops shoot him. He wasnt a threat but those pigs shot him in the back!.

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad. Try to read a bit and youll find that people are actually saying that here.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

MCAB just doesn't have enough bite.

YugiNoob posted...

people like to exaggerate

/close topic

But I bet it will keep going because
spudger posted...

this is a troll topic

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All CEmen Are Belligerent
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monkeysRfunny posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/us/police-shooting-fort-worth.html
Or maybe a few weeks ago. At the very latest.

Wow. This one instance completely negates the entire culture and prominence of cops getting off with a hand slap and a paid vacation while their peers refuse to speak out.

got me buds

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In principle they are part of much that is bad. As individuals they differ in their levels of badness.

monkeysRfunny posted...

Anteaterking posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

Or when that cop bought car seats for the lady who was too poor to afford them.

That's just Copaganda though. Those sorts of stories have been shown to crop up frequently after national anti-police stories get traction (such as after the Philandro Castile murder).

Also, is this your first time experiencing hyperbole? You seem to be aiming for a Lot arguing with God scenario with "If there is but one cop who is good can we please not say ACAB?"

There are ALWAYS anti cop stories. People do their best to hate the police, and people here are perfect examples. Theres stories of guys running away after violent crimes like armed robbery and the cops shoot him. He wasnt a threat but those pigs shot him in the back!.

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad. Try to read a bit and youll find that people are actually saying that here.

In case you missed it, Ill reiterate what others have said:

good cops remain silent and do nothing while their peers perpetuate cruelty and injustice.

And Ill reitterate another point you seem to have missed:

Not everyone takes the mantra 100% literally. MCAB just doesnt have the same bite

Like, this article shouldnt be the exception. This article should be the behavior of every single good cop.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-sergeant-there-are-white-supremacists-on-the-police-force/
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A_A_Battery posted...

In principle they are part of much that is bad. As individuals they differ in their levels of badness.

I have a good friend from hs who became a cop at twenty. Hes brilliant and a good guy who can retire with a full pension in like 8 years.

still couldnt ever take that path. Theres a lot of shut the fuck up and turn a blind eye to get where he is even as a non typical cop.

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AlisLandale posted...

Not everyone takes the mantra 100% literally.

monkeysRfunny posted...

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad.

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AlisLandale posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

Anteaterking posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

Or when that cop bought car seats for the lady who was too poor to afford them.

That's just Copaganda though. Those sorts of stories have been shown to crop up frequently after national anti-police stories get traction (such as after the Philandro Castile murder).

Also, is this your first time experiencing hyperbole? You seem to be aiming for a Lot arguing with God scenario with "If there is but one cop who is good can we please not say ACAB?"

There are ALWAYS anti cop stories. People do their best to hate the police, and people here are perfect examples. Theres stories of guys running away after violent crimes like armed robbery and the cops shoot him. He wasnt a threat but those pigs shot him in the back!.

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad. Try to read a bit and youll find that people are actually saying that here.

In case you missed it, Ill reiterate what others have said:

good cops remain silent and do nothing while their peers perpetuate cruelty and injustice.

And Ill reitterate another point you seem to have missed:

Not everyone takes the mantra 100% literally. MCAB just doesnt have the same bite

Like, this article shouldnt be the exception. This article should be the behavior of every single good cop.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-sergeant-there-are-white-supremacists-on-the-police-force/

You think that there haven't been any cops to speak up against their corrupt peers? And honestly, those who do take ACAB literally are just being delusional.
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YugiNoob posted...

You think that there haven't been any cops to speak up against their corrupt peers? And honestly, those who do take ACAB literally are just being delusional.

a fucking absurdly pathetically tiny fraction have at best. Cmon

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CanuckCowboy posted...

YugiNoob posted...

You think that there haven't been any cops to speak up against their corrupt peers? And honestly, those who do take ACAB literally are just being delusional.

a fucking absurdly pathetically tiny fraction have at best. Cmon

monkeysRfunny posted...

AlisLandale posted...

Not everyone takes the mantra 100% literally.

monkeysRfunny posted...

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad.

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monkeysRfunny posted...

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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Webmaster4531 posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

ScazarMeltex posted...

But yes, every single person involved in the criminal justice system is complicit in immorality, injustice, cruelness, and wickedness.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

That's not a strawman at all lol. Check out that one dude's posts on the first page where he really does blame all law enforcement.

Welp, ninja'd
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I prefer ABACAB
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Archibleedies posted...

they step up to bat for unfair/unjust laws, and they do it willingly. for that they are all bad and will be until the entire system is torn apart and rebuilt

it's black and white guys
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monkeysRfunny posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

ScazarMeltex posted...

But yes, every single person involved in the criminal justice system is complicit in immorality, injustice, cruelness, and wickedness.

You didn't actually read that link.

Example: Nicole identified that Hannah had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of her claim, Hannah accused Nicole of committing a fallacy earlier on in the conversation.

Example: Webmaster4531 identified that Monkey had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of Web's claim, Monkey accused Webmaster4531 of committing a fallacy here when Monkey actually did. Makes absolutely no sense.

One guy on gamefaqs who could be trolling doesn't mean you're not strawmanning. @Scazar and just pm him.
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while not every single cop is "bad," police culture itself is horribly toxic. they either conform to the Brotherhood or end up like the NYPD 12.

you may have friends whom are cops, but that doesn't mean the police as an entity are your friends. cops are the State's revenue collectors. they're here to generate revenue for the State through fines and slavery via 13th Amendment. the fines are typically ridiculous and the sentencing is typically excessive.

aiding the State in their exploitation of the citizen is literally aiding the tyranny we're supposed to be keeping in check. but propaganda in favor of bootlicking rhetoric has citizens hailing these revenue collectors as heroes by job title alone. not based on the genuine good they do as an individual, but the job title itself, lol.

the State extorts us by making us pay for registration on vehicles we already own, regardless of driving record. in some States, like California, registration is over $100 now. we pay property taxes, taxes for our food and everything else. I'm not anti-tax, but I do believe there is such thing as overreach. rather than use the police to JUST keep us safe, they've got them chasing down people with expired tags and struggling to pay child support. there are literally police auctions to sell people's shit while they're vulnerable and down on their luck.

that's not even counting the things that aren't State sanctioned. that thin blue line to protect the worst of the worst ruined the trust with many communities.

Officer Joe Blow might just want to do his 8 hours and go home and play Skyrim. but he's complicit with his partner escalating situations and being a terror to certain people. the "good cop" is just as bad for not checking that.

citizens shouldn't feel anxiety when a cop pulls up behind them and they've done nothing wrong. but the State wants it's money, so those tags better be up to date.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

You didn't actually read that link.

Example: Nicole identified that Hannah had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of her claim, Hannah accused Nicole of committing a fallacy earlier on in the conversation.

Example: Webmaster4531 identified that Monkey had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of Web's claim, Monkey accused Webmaster4531 of committing a fallacy here when Monkey actually did. Makes absolutely no sense.

One guy on gamefaqs who could be trolling doesn't mean you're not strawmanning. @Scazar and just pm him.

You put the names in backwards. I'm Nicole showing that your logical fallacy was to say that I'm strawmanning (misrepresenting Scazar's post, which I clearly wasn't), and you're Hannah, who just posted a link to a meme instead of providing a counter point to how I'm incorrect.
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Because its easier for people to assume that the things they see about once a week on their news site of choice are the full scope of reality than it is for them to critically think about why Cop does his job, protects public doesnt show up on said site.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

citizens shouldn't feel anxiety when a cop pulls up behind them and they've done nothing wrong. but the State wants it's money, so those tags better be up to date.

Don't you feel anxiety whenever any person of authority comes up to you? If your supervisor approaches you at work and says "Hey Phil, I'd like to see you in my office in 15 minutes.". Even if you didn't do anything wrong, there's always going to be that little thing in the back of your mind wondering if you're in trouble.
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The Admiral posted...

To signal a juvenile mindset towards authority figures.

monkeysRfunny posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

citizens shouldn't feel anxiety when a cop pulls up behind them and they've done nothing wrong. but the State wants it's money, so those tags better be up to date.

Don't you feel anxiety whenever any person of authority comes up to you? If your supervisor approaches you at work and says "Hey Phil, I'd like to see you in my office in 15 minutes.". Even if you didn't do anything wrong, there's always going to be that little thing in the back of your mind wondering if you're in trouble.

surely you must see the nuance here...
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monkeysRfunny posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

You didn't actually read that link.

Example: Nicole identified that Hannah had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of her claim, Hannah accused Nicole of committing a fallacy earlier on in the conversation.

Example: Webmaster4531 identified that Monkey had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of Web's claim, Monkey accused Webmaster4531 of committing a fallacy here when Monkey actually did. Makes absolutely no sense.

One guy on gamefaqs who could be trolling doesn't mean you're not strawmanning. @Scazar and just pm him.

You put the names in backwards. I'm Nicole showing that your logical fallacy was to say that I'm strawmanning (misrepresenting Scazar's post, which I clearly wasn't), and you're Hannah, who just posted a link to a meme instead of providing a counter point to how I'm incorrect.

That's a copy paste from your link. The names aren't backwards but I'll humor you to see if this makes sense.

Example: Monkey says that Web had committed a to quoque and didn't actually read it so he changing to strawman, but Monkey never actually pointed it out, Web showed Monkey committed a fallacy and none of what monkey says makes sense.
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It obviously makes no sense because you twisted it beyond recognition.
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#NotAllCops

Now let me talk about the left, the black community, Muslims, etc as monoliths without a hint of awareness.
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hockeybub89 posted...

#NotAllCops

Now let me talk about the left, the black community, Muslims, etc as monoliths without a hint of awareness.

What in the bloody hell are you talking about, bringing those other examples up? They have literally nothing to do with this conversation.
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YugiNoob posted...

AlisLandale posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

Anteaterking posted...

monkeysRfunny posted...

Or when that cop bought car seats for the lady who was too poor to afford them.

That's just Copaganda though. Those sorts of stories have been shown to crop up frequently after national anti-police stories get traction (such as after the Philandro Castile murder).

Also, is this your first time experiencing hyperbole? You seem to be aiming for a Lot arguing with God scenario with "If there is but one cop who is good can we please not say ACAB?"

There are ALWAYS anti cop stories. People do their best to hate the police, and people here are perfect examples. Theres stories of guys running away after violent crimes like armed robbery and the cops shoot him. He wasnt a threat but those pigs shot him in the back!.

And since you didnt bother reading, Im questioning the people who are saying that literally all cops are bad. Try to read a bit and youll find that people are actually saying that here.

In case you missed it, Ill reiterate what others have said:

good cops remain silent and do nothing while their peers perpetuate cruelty and injustice.

And Ill reitterate another point you seem to have missed:

Not everyone takes the mantra 100% literally. MCAB just doesnt have the same bite

Like, this article shouldnt be the exception. This article should be the behavior of every single good cop.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-sergeant-there-are-white-supremacists-on-the-police-force/

You think that there haven't been any cops to speak up against their corrupt peers? And honestly, those who do take ACAB literally are just being delusional.

Not nearly as many as there needs to be
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AlisLandale posted...

Not nearly as many as there needs to be

This is true
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Cops also get off too lightly for anything they do. They are supposed to be held to a higher standard than regular citizens. A cop should get double the punishment a citizen would, they need several years training with strict mental and physical background checks, so no moron from the streets can get a gun and badge.
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@a-c-a-b

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cops are wretched

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I have nothing but respect for the police. They serve and protect our communities and are a cornerstone of our freedom and democracy.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Cops also get off too lightly for anything they do. They are supposed to be held to a higher standard than regular citizens. A cop should get double the punishment a citizen would, they need several years training with strict mental and physical background checks, so no moron from the streets can get a gun and badge.

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commercial drivers are held to a higher standard, therefore for traffic violations carry heavy weight for them.

but it would be counter-productive to the State if they punished their collectors in kind.

if it weren't for public outrage, they'd never face ramifications. sometimes they have to sacrifice somebody for the PR.
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Conflict posted...

A large amount of people who are overly defensive about the generalization of cops tend to generalize those groups of people. Seemed pretty obvious

But the ones who are overly defensive about those generalizations are quick to generalize other groups.

It's a never-ending cycle of being completely full of shit.

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I wholeheartedly agree that they should be held to a higher standard. After all, if the enforcers of the law don't follow it, what reason should the people?

But I'm just wondering why there are those who actually mean it literally when they say ACAB. I've seen some good reasons, and I can respect them. But when there are people out there who will physically assault people simply because of their profession...It makes me question their motives.
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shnangyboos posted...

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!

Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with him, just doing the forsaken "both sides".

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to hold myself accountable for.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i prefer ABAP

All bastards are pigs?
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All Fuzz Are Malarky
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monkeysRfunny posted...

I wholeheartedly agree that they should be held to a higher standard. After all, if the enforcers of the law don't follow it, what reason should the people?

But I'm just wondering why there are those who actually mean it literally when they say ACAB. I've seen some good reasons, and I can respect them. But when there are people out there who will physically assault people simply because of their profession...It makes me question their motives.

literally believing that "ACAB" isn't a permission slip to go attacking random officers. people who do this have mental problems because normal people don't attack people just because they don't like them, lol.

same for people who use their contempt for trans people, gay people, and whoever else as an excuse to harm individuals who have done nothing to them. irrational hate is always a problem, but physically harming somebody over it pretty much ends all speculation about one's own mental state, haha.

but I'm sure the ratio of people who attack cops out of hate is smaller than the number who simply want nothing to do with the police, period. it's not an epidemic or anything
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ScazarMeltex posted...

I do, I blame every single one of them. The entity that wants said laws, the lobbyist who bribes to get them passed, the politician who votes for them, the cop that enforces them, the judge that allows enforcement, the DA that prosecutes based on it, and the people who work in the prison where the prisoner is incarcerated. But those laws mean nothing if there isn't a large force of people willing to take up arms to enforce them.

But yes, every single person involved in the criminal justice system is complicit in immorality, injustice, cruelness, and wickedness. Including the politicians.

And why are you not complicit in this? After all, you allow it to happen too.

If something is broken in that way, you often stand a much better chance of trying to make a difference from the inside than you do bitching and moaning on the outside and claiming that it's everybody's fault but your own.

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Because the media brainwashed them into thinking cops are bad.

Impressionable minds
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