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Monolith1676
10/29/19 10:51:45 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7IqkwVnw0U" data-time="


This lady is insane. I think she got her college degree out of a Cracker Jack box.

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Irony
10/29/19 10:52:56 PM
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According to the ADL all numbers are racist
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ThyCorndog
10/29/19 10:53:14 PM
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Questionmarktarius
10/29/19 10:53:48 PM
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Feigns concern about class divisions
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AlisLandale
10/29/19 10:54:32 PM
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How does Fox News serve up a complete joker as a guest and still end up sounding more inusfferable than the person who believes math is racist? >_>
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Mistere Man
10/29/19 10:58:28 PM
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So math is racist because people used statistics to justify racism?

No I think they used racism to justify fraudulent statistics.
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Questionmarktarius
10/29/19 10:59:17 PM
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Mistere Man posted...
So math is racist because people used statistics to justify racism?

You know who else used math? Hitler!!
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KillerKhan420
10/29/19 10:59:31 PM
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Good God what a dumb woman. That Jesse guy is an idiot as well though. But math is very difficult the more you get into it, of course addition, subtraction, multiplication and division are elementary stuff. If you can't get passed those just admit you ain't smart at all.
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Mistere Man
10/29/19 11:00:11 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Mistere Man posted...
So math is racist because people used statistics to justify racism?

You know who else used math? Hitler!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfHrXsGJ8mo" data-time="

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ZMythos
10/29/19 11:00:50 PM
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I'm a math teacher. Yes, math has its share of history rooted in racism and sexism.

Many of history's greatest mathematicians were women and people of color.

Today a disproportionate number of math (and STEM in general) majors are held by white men because it was less than a century ago that we even began to consider letting women and minorities have access to a quality education.

Much of how math was historically taught lends itself to western culture, which further keeps other groups from learning math. Nowadays we try to offer more equitable practices.

We can use math as a teaching tool to analyze social injustices through data analysis and drawing conclusions, allowing students a way to facilitate conversations that include thorough reasoning and problem solving.
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Flockaveli
10/29/19 11:02:17 PM
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I haven't seen one of those scarfs in almost 10 years.
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Mistere Man
10/29/19 11:04:00 PM
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ZMythos posted...
I'm a math teacher. Yes, math has its share of history rooted in racism and sexism.

Many of history's greatest mathematicians were women and people of color.

Today a disproportionate number of math (and STEM in general) majors are held by white men because it was less than a century ago that we even began to consider letting women and minorities have access to a quality education.

Much of how math was historically taught lends itself to western culture, which further keeps other groups from learning math. Nowadays we try to offer more equitable practices.

We can use math as a teaching tool to analyze social injustices through data analysis and drawing conclusions, allowing students a way to facilitate conversations that include thorough reasoning and problem solving.

Not teaching people math doesnt make math racist it just means racists were teaching it.
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ZMythos
10/29/19 11:07:04 PM
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Mistere Man posted...
Not teaching people math doesnt make math racist it just means racists were teaching it.

My claim was that "math has its share of history rooted in racism and sexism"

But, to sate your appetite, I'll offer this as well:

Methodology and language in mathematics can vary greatly from syntax to representation.

There are instances in history where western mathematicians would reject the work of those in other regions simply because of this, even when the mathematics was sound.
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Mistere Man
10/29/19 11:17:40 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Mistere Man posted...
Not teaching people math doesnt make math racist it just means racists were teaching it.

My claim was that "math has its share of history rooted in racism and sexism"

But, to sate your appetite, I'll offer this as well:

Methodology and language in mathematics can vary greatly from syntax to representation.

There are instances in history where western mathematicians would reject the work of those in other regions simply because of this, even when the mathematics was sound.

Again if the math was sound it was sound it was the mathematicians that were racist not math.

Math is a tool, or even a universal language that can be learned and used by anyone. If those that know it are racist that doesnt change what math is. As with any tool or language it can be used for good or bad but that is the user will not the subject.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
10/29/19 11:18:59 PM
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The Babylonians discovered the vast majority of math pre-calculus (which is what is taught in schools this lady is talking about), what racism was going on 3,000 years ago that is relevant today. Funny how she is in sociology too lol that is a real math focused field. Stay in your lane lady
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Hop103
10/29/19 11:20:48 PM
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Stereotypical rich, fake liberal, probably votes to keep affordable housing away from her backyard.
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MedeaLysistrata
10/29/19 11:21:06 PM
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Imagine if you couldn't add numbers because you had no friends that were plus signs
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ZMythos
10/29/19 11:23:04 PM
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Mistere Man posted...

Again if the math was sound it was sound it was the mathematicians that were racist not math.

Math is a tool, or even a universal language that can be learned and used by anyone. If those that know it are racist that doesnt change what math is. As with any tool or language it can be used for good or bad but that is the user will not the subject.

You contradicted yourself. Despite its beauty math is only a construct, a system, made by people. So when enough people (with power/privilege) dictate how that system is approached, written, defined, etc. and exclude certain groups from that system, then the system is flawed.

It's not the fault of the system itself, but then again most racist institutions aren't self-defined that way either. The prison system is racist because it enables the incarceration of a disproportionate number of black males. Math has racist roots because of the exclusion of women and people of color for centuries.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
10/29/19 11:24:48 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Mistere Man posted...

Again if the math was sound it was sound it was the mathematicians that were racist not math.

Math is a tool, or even a universal language that can be learned and used by anyone. If those that know it are racist that doesnt change what math is. As with any tool or language it can be used for good or bad but that is the user will not the subject.

You contradicted yourself. Despite its beauty math is only a construct, a system, made by people. So when enough people (with power/privilege) dictate how that system is approached, written, defined, etc. and exclude certain groups from that system, then the system is flawed.

It's not the fault of the system itself, but then again most racist institutions aren't self-defined that way either. The prison system is racist because it enables the incarceration of a disproportionate number of black males. Math has racist roots because of the exclusion of women and people of color for centuries.


Please enlighten us on some mathematical concepts that are flawed because of sexism and racism. The chain rule?
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ZMythos
10/29/19 11:25:37 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Please enlighten us on some mathematical concepts that are flawed because of sexism and racism. The chain rule?

You're strawmanning my argument. Reread my response and come up with a better question.
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CruelBuffalo
10/29/19 11:25:42 PM
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For a doctor she really needs to learn how to not take the bait and how to focus a message. JFC shes all over the place
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Superlinkbro
10/29/19 11:26:55 PM
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Oh god my head, this lady is a fucking idiot.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
10/29/19 11:28:05 PM
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ZMythos posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Please enlighten us on some mathematical concepts that are flawed because of sexism and racism. The chain rule?

You're strawmanning my argument. Reread my response and come up with a better question.


Give an example about how a concept in the mathematical system is flawed because of racism or sexism, and how you would fix it.
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Questionmarktarius
10/29/19 11:31:44 PM
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ZMythos posted...
You contradicted yourself. Despite its beauty math is only a construct, a system, made by people. So when enough people (with power/privilege) dictate how that system is approached, written, defined, etc. and exclude certain groups from that system, then the system is flawed.

So... it's racist because we're using a system that originated in India and migrated through the mideast, then somehow got peppered full of the Greek alphabet?

"White People" math was DCCCLXXXIX and stuff, and I don't think division was really practical in that sort of system.
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008Zulu
10/29/19 11:36:41 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
How does Fox News serve up a complete joker as a guest and still end up sounding more inusfferable than the person who believes math is racist? >_>

Fox News: Ok, we obviously can't report on how President Trump is a corrupt coward, so we need some filler content. Suggestions?
Fox "Journalist": We... say math is racist?
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/29/19 11:43:56 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
ZMythos posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Please enlighten us on some mathematical concepts that are flawed because of sexism and racism. The chain rule?

You're strawmanning my argument. Reread my response and come up with a better question.


Give an example about how a concept in the mathematical system is flawed because of racism or sexism, and how you would fix it.


stop trying to get people to do more work ITT than you've done.

even if ZMythos found you worthy of obliging, it's not like you'll change whatever narrative you're trying to push. you guys just keep pushing the goal post and try to get people to defend arguments they weren't even making.
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AlephZero
10/29/19 11:44:51 PM
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math is a tool of the alt right used to spread misinformation
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crucial2099
10/29/19 11:52:32 PM
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Didn't the Mayans invent the concept of 0. also were they charting the stars when Europeans were still fucking goats in the forests. You couldn't have created star charts without access to advanced mathematics.
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WerewolfPaws
10/29/19 11:54:33 PM
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Fox pays these nut jobs to come talk (or actors if theyre short handed on wackos) and to make the left look worse.
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MarkMahWords
10/29/19 11:58:53 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Mistere Man posted...

Again if the math was sound it was sound it was the mathematicians that were racist not math.

Math is a tool, or even a universal language that can be learned and used by anyone. If those that know it are racist that doesnt change what math is. As with any tool or language it can be used for good or bad but that is the user will not the subject.

You contradicted yourself. Despite its beauty math is only a construct, a system, made by people. So when enough people (with power/privilege) dictate how that system is approached, written, defined, etc. and exclude certain groups from that system, then the system is flawed.

It's not the fault of the system itself, but then again most racist institutions aren't self-defined that way either. The prison system is racist because it enables the incarceration of a disproportionate number of black males. Math has racist roots because of the exclusion of women and people of color for centuries.


I want to see what exactly you mean by this. What approach/writing/definition specifically makes the system exclusive to some groups of people and how does it exclude people? Is it the mainstream use Western arabic numerals? Or is it the topics that are derived from Western mathematicians (Gauss, Newton/Leibneiz, Euler for example) that predominantly make up the what the United States' math education program? I ask this because, from what I interpret from your argument, the exclusionary factor seems to be what makes math racist in your eyes.
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omega cookie
10/30/19 12:00:13 AM
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Everything is racist if you cry hard enough about it.
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AmericaTheBrave
10/30/19 12:01:32 AM
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crucial2099 posted...
Didn't the Mayans invent the concept of 0. also were they charting the stars when Europeans were still fucking goats in the forests. You couldn't have created star charts without access to advanced mathematics.


Mayans and Indians both invented the concept of 0.

Which is fascinating.

Millions and millions of cultures all over the world, throughout history.

And only two of them came up with "zero."
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Mistere Man
10/30/19 12:08:16 AM
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ZMythos posted...
Mistere Man posted...

Again if the math was sound it was sound it was the mathematicians that were racist not math.

Math is a tool, or even a universal language that can be learned and used by anyone. If those that know it are racist that doesnt change what math is. As with any tool or language it can be used for good or bad but that is the user will not the subject.

You contradicted yourself. Despite its beauty math is only a construct, a system, made by people. So when enough people (with power/privilege) dictate how that system is approached, written, defined, etc. and exclude certain groups from that system, then the system is flawed.

It's not the fault of the system itself, but then again most racist institutions aren't self-defined that way either. The prison system is racist because it enables the incarceration of a disproportionate number of black males. Math has racist roots because of the exclusion of women and people of color for centuries.

The people in power once thought the world was flat, they even went as far as to ostracize (or worse) those that thought differently. This didnt change the truth just the truth as people knew it or were taught, but the universal truth was unaffected. Math is a universal truth our limited understanding of it doesnt change what it truly is just how we perceive it.

People in power saying math is (blank) just like those saying the world is (blank) doesnt effect the truth. Math is math it doesnt discriminate or hate it isnt good or evil it just is.

The history of our understanding of math may be riddled with racism and discrimination, but that doesnt mean math was the instigator, and it doesnt make math racist just the history of our understanding of it.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/30/19 12:10:23 AM
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AlephZero posted...
math is a tool of the alt right used to spread misinformation


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Questionmarktarius
10/30/19 12:11:12 AM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
crucial2099 posted...
Didn't the Mayans invent the concept of 0. also were they charting the stars when Europeans were still fucking goats in the forests. You couldn't have created star charts without access to advanced mathematics.


Mayans and Indians both invented the concept of 0.

Which is fascinating.

Millions and millions of cultures all over the world, throughout history.

And only two of them came up with "zero."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxYsgRsNg2s" data-time="
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Mistere Man
10/30/19 12:14:44 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
crucial2099 posted...
Didn't the Mayans invent the concept of 0. also were they charting the stars when Europeans were still fucking goats in the forests. You couldn't have created star charts without access to advanced mathematics.


Mayans and Indians both invented the concept of 0.

Which is fascinating.

Millions and millions of cultures all over the world, throughout history.

And only two of them came up with "zero."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxYsgRsNg2s" data-time="

No one ever gets there but you can try. Ha! Nice!
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KlRBEH
10/30/19 12:15:08 AM
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Nall posted...
I think that thumbnail is all I needed to see.



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Romes187
10/30/19 12:18:53 AM
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Group theory is racist af

tired of so much racism everywhere

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HiddenRoar
10/30/19 12:24:11 AM
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crucial2099 posted...
You couldn't have created star charts without access to advanced mathematics.


Polynesians.?
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Monolith1676
10/31/19 2:33:07 AM
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The world is going to hell in a handbasket on a rocketship.

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Medzzz
10/31/19 2:34:23 AM
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Saying only white people are smart enough to solve math is racist
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