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Lebronwon 10/26/19 6:59:55 PM #1: |
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/26/hbo-watchmen-is-bombing-reviews-but-that-wont-scare-off-any-viewers.html
The new series Watchmen, based on the comic by writer Alan Moore, premiered last weekend on HBO, and according to The Daily Beast, its the latest victim of review bombing. However, if the perpetrators are hoping to sink the show, theyre unlikely to succeed. For those not in the know, review bombing is what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews for a movie or television show to drag down its overall rating. In the case of Watchmen, it received a score of 98% from critics and 43% from audiences. A complete disrespect of the source material, said one commenter. We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another. Another called it the worst show HBO has ever created. MacDonald said that in some cases, people who participate in this behavior are fans who view themselves as gatekeepers of a franchise. However, he said that racism and misogyny are more likely causes. Captain Marvel and Star Wars: The Last Jedi were attacked for their female leads, he said. I would argue that the reason HBOs Watchmen is getting review bombed right now is not necessarily because of how the show strays from the material, but because it opened with the Tulsa massacre of black Americans. The Tulsa massacre was an incident that took place in Tulsa, OK, in 1921, in which thousands of white rioters attacked the citys black business district, causing multiple fatalities. MacDonald said that the initial responses to the show that he saw all focused on this, in part because many viewers never knew that the incident had even taken place. It was taken as an educational experience, as a positive that the show had unearthed a forgotten but crucial part of Americas history, he said. The review bombings started after that. Add to this that the lead character is a black woman, and well, there you go. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MudKip_Master 10/26/19 7:01:34 PM #2: |
Sounds like an awful show
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Heineken14 10/26/19 7:03:09 PM #3: |
Lebronwon posted...
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another. Ah, so I take it the right are upset with the show for some reason then. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 10/26/19 7:04:16 PM #4: |
Is the show any good?
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Lebronwon 10/26/19 7:08:32 PM #5: |
Anteaterking posted...
Is the show any good? Only 1 episode has aired. I like it but to give the show a good/bad rating at this time a bit too early imo. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alucard188 10/26/19 7:10:08 PM #6: |
Lebronwon posted...
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another. Has this person never seen Watchmen? The entire fucking source material is steeped in politics. Fuck, the the cold war is a central part of the narrative. I can't believe people are this dense. Only 1 episode has aired. I like it but to give the show a good/bad rating at this time a bit too early imo. I followed absolutely nothing about the new HBO show. In what way does it stray from the source material? --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeyondWalls 10/26/19 7:12:25 PM #7: |
Lebronwon posted...
what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews ...or maybe they just didn't like it? I'm tried of stupid crap like this from Hollywood who can't admit fans didn't like the shit they peddled. Not everything is a secret conspiracy designed to bring your franchise down. Sometimes your show just isn't good. --- END OF LINE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 10/26/19 7:13:43 PM #8: |
I don't have hbo but I thought it looked good when I saw trailers.
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dave_is_slick 10/26/19 7:14:12 PM #9: |
BeyondWalls posted...
Lebronwon posted...what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews Sure, buddy. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 10/26/19 7:14:51 PM #10: |
BeyondWalls posted...
Lebronwon posted...what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews in the case of Batwoman, where something similar is happeneing, it is good. that's why I suspect Watchmen is good too. with Batwoman, the show is incredible and people who actually watch it think it's great. but a bunch of people who only watched the trailer, review bombed it to troll. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkprince45 10/26/19 7:15:08 PM #11: |
MudKip_Master posted...
Sounds like an awful show Its great with great reviews --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkprince45 10/26/19 7:17:01 PM #13: |
Just read some user reviews at RT. Yeah its all trolling
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RchHomieQuanChi 10/26/19 7:18:57 PM #14: |
Heineken14 posted...
Lebronwon posted...We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another. It's pretty funny how the right has become the SJWs they complain about so much. --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecSkorpio 10/26/19 7:22:16 PM #15: |
My stance is it doesnt seem like a good sequel to Watchmen.
As a show I didnt like it either but not on like a technical level. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MachineJaipur 10/26/19 7:25:01 PM #17: |
they're just mad they didn't get to see blue dong in the first episode
that's all i know about Watchmen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 10/26/19 7:27:28 PM #18: |
yup
Watchmen is not political at all that's right, nothing to do with politics --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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loafy013 10/26/19 7:42:00 PM #19: |
Alucard188 posted...
Has this person never seen Watchmen? The entire fucking source material is steeped in politics. Fuck, the the cold war is a central part of the narrative. I can't believe people are this dense. I reread Transmetropolitan last year, and it seems more relevant now than ever before. I would love to see it made into a series, but I know there would be so much screeching about it making fun of the president, despite the source material being written 20 years ago. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 10/26/19 7:45:48 PM #20: |
Lebronwon posted...
Only 1 episode has aired. I like it but to give the show a good/bad rating at this time a bit too early imo. I agree with this assessment 100%. It shows promise, but it is too early to know if it will live up to the expectations that I have formed for it based on episode 1. --- https://talktotransformer.com The Internet is kind of the whole ****ing Internet. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EbonTitanium 10/26/19 7:54:13 PM #21: |
Zikten posted...
in the case of Batwoman, where something similar is happeneing, it is good. that's why I suspect Watchmen is good too. with Batwoman, the show is incredible and people who actually watch it think it's great. but a bunch of people who only watched the trailer, review bombed it to troll.I watch Batwoman is I find it to be dull. --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chad-Henne 10/26/19 8:07:10 PM #22: |
Can we please get a Batman movie without all the crime? I watch movies to escape these things
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Illuminoius 10/26/19 8:13:20 PM #23: |
people have this weird mentality that things are only political if they attack the status quo, not if they preserve it
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YourDrunkFather 10/26/19 8:25:58 PM #24: |
However, he said that racism and misogyny are more likely causes. Captain Marvel and Star Wars: The Last Jedi were attacked for their female leads
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YellowSUV 10/26/19 8:27:43 PM #25: |
Crying that something is "political" is pathetic. Everything is political. What some of these people really mean is that the show triggers them.
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The_Ivory_Man 10/26/19 8:37:17 PM #26: |
Alucard188 posted...
I followed absolutely nothing about the new HBO show. In what way does it stray from the source material? In every way. It has virtually nothing to do with the source material. Also Alan Moore stated he didn't want it to be "too political" anyway, he said that why it's so obviously a alternate universe with Nixon in his fourth term. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 10/26/19 9:08:04 PM #27: |
Lebronwon posted...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/26/hbo-watchmen-is-bombing-reviews-but-that-wont-scare-off-any-viewers.html Wait, there are still people who think that viewers did not like those movies because they had female leads? Lmao, I'm not sure if they are being willfully clueless or it's just something inherent somehow. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 10/26/19 9:14:58 PM #28: |
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Wait, there are still people who think that viewers did not like those movies because they had female leads? Lmao, I'm not sure if they are being willfully clueless or it's just something inherent somehow.It's at least arguably true for Captain Marvel. To think that's people's issue with TLJ is insane though. No one's shy about saying what they hate in that movie. --- PSN: Jiek ... Copied to Clipboard!
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p-m 10/26/19 9:21:55 PM #29: |
Jiek_Fafn posted...
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Skye Reynolds 10/26/19 9:49:58 PM #30: |
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another
On one hand, I empathize. On the other hand, Alan Moore. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 10/26/19 10:49:03 PM #31: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Heineken14 posted...Lebronwon posted...We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another. Party of projection. Every single thing Donnie and the right screeched about Hillary ended up being true in regards to Donnie and his swamp administration. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KiwiTerraRizing 10/26/19 10:53:28 PM #32: |
A movie or show features a non white person or a woman and the right gets triggered
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evil_zombie11 10/26/19 10:58:19 PM #33: |
It's political because the show has racial undertones.
IE "The Seventh Kavalry" taking Rorschach's manifesto and turning it into some racial thing. White supremacy is tryna come back in the show and Angela tries to fight back. To some it's another "white man bad" show. --- Yo wtf Probably lifting or running... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 10/26/19 10:59:18 PM #34: |
Alan Moore is known for his hate of his adaptations and he has loyal fans who hate what he hates.
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Smashingpmkns 10/26/19 11:02:02 PM #35: |
evil_zombie11 posted...
It's political because the show has racial undertones. The majority of the good guys that we have seen are white though. --- Clean Butt Crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 10/26/19 11:03:56 PM #36: |
comic book fans are fucking embarrassing
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evil_zombie11 10/26/19 11:12:20 PM #37: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
evil_zombie11 posted...It's political because the show has racial undertones. People may be upset with the show since the comics are so heavily centered around the "heroes" themselves and their struggles, that the show just turning into another "whites are bad and we gotta beat them back" show invites some cringe factor. --- Yo wtf Probably lifting or running... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 10/26/19 11:19:19 PM #38: |
evil_zombie11 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...evil_zombie11 posted... The original Watchmen was heavily political and delved deeper than just the heroes flaws. I'm not necessarily liking the show because it feels like it's using the comics more so for marketing than anything else, though it was only one ep, but the racism narrative is an interesting plot on it's own. Anyone that can't suspend their political beliefs for entertainment's sake needs to sit the fuck down. Saying racism is bad isn't the same thing as saying white people are bad. --- Clean Butt Crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 10/26/19 11:37:44 PM #39: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Saying racism is bad isn't the same thing as saying white people are bad. it is from a racist's perspective --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nevershine 10/26/19 11:41:32 PM #40: |
I still gotta get into it. I always miss it when its on.
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AlisLandale 10/26/19 11:49:52 PM #41: |
Tbh I dont really care about the Watchmen universe. I didnt care about Before Watchmen and I only care about Doomsday Clock because it affects characters I do care about. >_>
At the end of the day, Watchmen was a superhero comic, though. Thats was what informed pretty much all of its themes and twists and development. Is this show supposed to be superheroes, or just some cops? <_< --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WerewolfPaws 10/26/19 11:50:42 PM #42: |
Sounds like a lot of people havent read the novel if they hate politics in their graphic novels.
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2SweetforTurtle 10/26/19 11:53:39 PM #43: |
Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains
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WerewolfPaws 10/26/19 11:55:44 PM #44: |
2SweetforTurtle posted...
Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains Whoa, really? Hes supposed to be more of a vigilante centrist, if Im remembering correctly. Doesnt seem like the type to cause even more strife. --- I love catching people in the act. That's why I whip open doors. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 10/26/19 11:58:42 PM #45: |
More story was the last thing Watchmen needed.
It was a masterpiece story, and definitely complete. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Ivory_Man 10/27/19 12:06:37 AM #46: |
creativerealms posted...
Alan Moore is known for his hate of his adaptations and he has loyal fans who hate what he hates. That's not true, he watched the Justice League cartoon and enjoyed it. He's a grumpy old man but that doesn't make his criticism on what they've done with Watchmen wrong. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WerewolfPaws 10/27/19 12:10:27 AM #47: |
The_Ivory_Man posted...
creativerealms posted...Alan Moore is known for his hate of his adaptations and he has loyal fans who hate what he hates. Pretty sure Id listen to the creator of said content before something like Rotten Tomatoes, tho. Moore is famous for his exotic nature and if he feels like his vision/message was lost on an adaptation, so be it. Even Stephen King is famously against Kubricks adaptation of The Shining. And after reading the book, I have to give his argument merit. It was a super gutted version of a phenomenal novel. --- I love catching people in the act. That's why I whip open doors. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 10/27/19 12:27:16 AM #49: |
WerewolfPaws posted...
2SweetforTurtle posted...Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains This is pretty far from the first time a bunch of alt-right morons didn't understand someone's message. Edit: Directed at the people in the show, just to be clear. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WerewolfPaws 10/27/19 12:28:25 AM #50: |
DrizztLink posted...
WerewolfPaws posted...2SweetforTurtle posted...Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains Very true. Point to you, good sir. --- I love catching people in the act. That's why I whip open doors. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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