Current Events > I should really go ahead and make the jump to veganism tbh.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

and also if you were killing off male babies

this always seemed really needlessly wasteful to me. don't get me wrong, i am a meat eater through and through and will never give it up, but it seems to me like caponization is fully capable of producing adult roosters whose meat is just as good and just as marketable as regular chicken meat. i honestly don't understand why they don't do it in most factory chicken farming.

It's less work to just keep the chickens until they can't lay eggs anymore and use them for meat instead
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ThyCorndog posted...

and also if you were killing off male babies and using female babies to make more babies

I didn't fully understand why eating eggs was unethical until I learned they dispose of the male chicks, because they aren't of use to farmers. like, raising chickens in your backyard for eggs seemed fine to me because you know you arent going to abuse them or keep them in bad conditions. but yet, you have to dispose of the males. there's like no practical scenario where it's ethical

Yep. The egg industry kills thousands/millions of baby chickens, and directly feeds into the chicken meat industry. The milk industry does likewise.
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whole food carbs are not bad. it's processed carbs that are bad

don't tell me you buy into the "sugar is sugar" bullshit
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I honestly didnt expect there to be this much debate >_> for me personally Im considering it for ethical reasons. but there are just as many reasons to stick to eating moderate amounts of meat, so.
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

I honestly didnt expect there to be this much debate >_> for me personally Im considering it for ethical reasons. but there are just as many reasons to stick to eating moderate amounts of meat, so.

The ethical reasons are self contradictory. Hundreds of rats & other rodents, birds, hares, and so on are killed in the name of protecting vegetable produce.

It's more logically consistent to say "I won't eat beef anymore because of the carbon footprint"

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Well yes, there are also human ethics to be concerned with in terms of vegetable produce farming tbf
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Tyranthraxus posted...

_Matchabuu_ posted...

I honestly didnt expect there to be this much debate >_> for me personally Im considering it for ethical reasons. but there are just as many reasons to stick to eating moderate amounts of meat, so.

The ethical reasons are self contradictory. Hundreds of rats & other rodents, birds, hares, and so on are killed in the name of protecting vegetable produce.

It's more logically consistent to say "I won't eat beef anymore because of the carbon footprint"

ultimately there's less death in a vegan world because we wouldn't have to use as much land or make as much food if you didn't have to feed billions of animals in addition to billions of people, would be the argument to that

plus intentional killing is worse than incidental killing. roadkill isn't the same as going out and killing the animal yourself
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DuranOfForcena posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

whole food carbs are not bad. it's processed carbs that are bad

correct, complex carbs vs. simple carbs. it's ridiculous to claim that complex carbs are as bad for you as simple carbs. complex carbs are one of the best things you can put in your body.

Yeah, people really gotta learn the difference. That's why keto pisses me off so much. Quinoa, brown rice, buckwheat, etc all have that extra layer of fiber making them burn slower, thus having them convert to sugar at a much lower rate and keeping you fuller longer.
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SailorGoon posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

whole food carbs are not bad. it's processed carbs that are bad

correct, complex carbs vs. simple carbs. it's ridiculous to claim that complex carbs are as bad for you as simple carbs. complex carbs are one of the best things you can put in your body.

Yeah, people really gotta learn the difference. That's why keto pisses me off so much. Quinoa, brown rice, buckwheat, etc all have that extra layer of fiber making them burn slower, thus having them convert to sugar at a much lower rate and keeping you fuller longer.

it's been shown that fibrous carbohydrates help control your blood sugar rather than cause your blood sugar to spike the way processed carbohydrates do. keto people never want to accept that for some reason
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RoadsterUFO posted...

I dont get where all these people my age with worthless degrees drowning in student loan debt are getting the money to go vegan.

No expense should be spared when it comes to health. If you don't have your health you don't have shit.
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ThyCorndog posted...

it's been shown that fibrous carbohydrates help control your blood sugar rather than cause your blood sugar to spike the way processed carbohydrates do. keto people never want to accept that for some reason

Most keto people I know are well aware of fibrous carbohydrates being good both in general and for a keto diet--the problem is they taste like sawdust.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

there's no reason to break the bank going vegan in the name of being healthy when you can get deals on healthy, lean meat like this.

Going vegan does not "break the bank" by any means, especially if you're not too lazy to cook.
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*Baby back ribs have entered the chat*
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ASithLord7 posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

there's no reason to break the bank going vegan in the name of being healthy when you can get deals on healthy, lean meat like this.

Going vegan does not "break the bank" by any means, especially if you're not too lazy to cook.

Home cooking is essential for any diet if you're trying to save money. I love cooking and so many Korean dishes are vegan (or at least vegetarian) and many of them that do have meat I simply omit and use tofu.

I've thought about trying to go vegan for a month and then reevaluate how I feel, maybe this topic has convinced me to give it a shot! November seems like a good month to try before we enter December with lots of family gatherings >_>

LadyVyxx posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

there's no reason to break the bank going vegan in the name of being healthy when you can get deals on healthy, lean meat like this.

Going vegan does not "break the bank" by any means, especially if you're not too lazy to cook.

Home cooking is essential for any diet if you're trying to save money. I love cooking and so many Korean dishes are vegan (or at least vegetarian) and many of them that do have meat I simply omit and use tofu.

I've thought about trying to go vegan for a month and then reevaluate how I feel, maybe this topic has convinced me to give it a shot! November seems like a good month to try before we enter December with lots of family gatherings >_>

All NUT and soy November
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LadyVyxx posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

there's no reason to break the bank going vegan in the name of being healthy when you can get deals on healthy, lean meat like this.

Going vegan does not "break the bank" by any means, especially if you're not too lazy to cook.

Home cooking is essential for any diet if you're trying to save money. I love cooking and so many Korean dishes are vegan (or at least vegetarian) and many of them that do have meat I simply omit and use tofu.

I've thought about trying to go vegan for a month and then reevaluate how I feel, maybe this topic has convinced me to give it a shot! November seems like a good month to try before we enter December with lots of family gatherings >_>

Give it a go! Doesn't sound like too much of a stretch from your current norm then.
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

LadyVyxx posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

there's no reason to break the bank going vegan in the name of being healthy when you can get deals on healthy, lean meat like this.

Going vegan does not "break the bank" by any means, especially if you're not too lazy to cook.

Home cooking is essential for any diet if you're trying to save money. I love cooking and so many Korean dishes are vegan (or at least vegetarian) and many of them that do have meat I simply omit and use tofu.

I've thought about trying to go vegan for a month and then reevaluate how I feel, maybe this topic has convinced me to give it a shot! November seems like a good month to try before we enter December with lots of family gatherings >_>

All NUT and soy November

November will be about all the nuts I can get >_>
Okay but really yes this sounds like a good plan. I use soybean paste all the time it's great!

RoadsterUFO posted...

Notice how every anti-red meat post in this topic entirely dodges and evades if and how many carbs, sugars, and vegetable oils the person is consuming. None of this is being acknowledged lol, just immediate deep end diving into red meat is bad hysteria from the likes of posters such as @bobbaaay. I mean, Because none of those offer things could ever have a negative impact on a persons health! I already linked studies as well on red meat and saturated fat that debunks much (if not all) the poorly conducted claims of the studies posted by the red meat is bad people in this topic. Not one single post with people actually reading the studies cited either. Its too hard for some to fathom and accept meat is perfectly fine, red meat especially.

As another poster mention and if we wanna go that route, Im lean and fit because of how I changed my eating habits a few months ago. If this bullshit about how red meat is awful for you is to be believe using me as a personal example, I shouldve already dropped dead. My older brother changed his eating habits earlier than I did because he was diagnosed with pre-diabetic problems and was falling into poor health, much like a good bulk of our relatives with poor health problems like diabetes. His health improved significantly and he lost a lot of weight because of all that evil red meat you posters demonize.

Go vegan without the expensive supplementation and youll wind up like this baby from all those vegan approved carbs, starches, and sugar loaded foods.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/22/australia/australia-vegan-baby-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html

Follow garbage like this that cite cereal as a super food and you too can wind up like that baby.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190828005074/en/General-Mills-Cereal-Secret-Superfood-Infographic-Business

Uh? I never "evaded" talking about carbs, sugars, or vegetable oils. I just pointed out that it's funny that you're complaining about "popular media" and "mainstream science" or whatever when clearly you don't know what the AND and other professional organizations' stances are.
It's like the person who complains about "pop music" and thinks The Backstreet Boys are contemporary.

rebel loves soy haha
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ThyCorndog posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

_Matchabuu_ posted...

I honestly didnt expect there to be this much debate >_> for me personally Im considering it for ethical reasons. but there are just as many reasons to stick to eating moderate amounts of meat, so.

The ethical reasons are self contradictory. Hundreds of rats & other rodents, birds, hares, and so on are killed in the name of protecting vegetable produce.

It's more logically consistent to say "I won't eat beef anymore because of the carbon footprint"

ultimately there's less death in a vegan world because we wouldn't have to use as much land or make as much food if you didn't have to feed billions of animals in addition to billions of people, would be the argument to that

plus intentional killing is worse than incidental killing. roadkill isn't the same as going out and killing the animal yourself

Precisely.

Everything is a tradeoff, and that doesn't make things contradictory. You can't live off sunlight, water, and air lol
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