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Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 10:36:05 AM #101:	RoadsterUFO posted... @Tyranthraxus Youre not refuting the source. Here you seemed to miss my refutation of your source so here it is again. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321655.php --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929176476] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted... </cite> <quote>@Tyranthraxus Youre not refuting the source.</quote> Here you seemed to miss my refutation of your source so here it is again. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321655.php </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 12:39:24 PM #104:	here's plenty of reason why that recent study that was on the nytimes that determined red meat isn't harmful is bunk https://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20190930/controversial-studies-say-its-ok-to-eat-red-meat the leading health professionals all consider it bunk. I'm gonna continue to take health and nutrition advice from the actual doctors and other health professionals and not get my information from youtube keto bros this discussion feels like a climate change discussion where someone is trying to say those 2% of findings that say climate change isn't true is what the real truth is --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929181274] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>here's plenty of reason why that recent study that was on the nytimes that determined red meat isn't harmful is bunk https://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20190930/controversial-studies-say-its-ok-to-eat-red-meat the leading health professionals all consider it bunk. I'm gonna continue to take health and nutrition advice from the actual doctors and other health professionals and not get my information from youtube keto bros this discussion feels like a climate change discussion where someone is trying to say those 2% of findings that say climate change isn't true is what the real truth is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SailorGoon 10/24/19 12:39:39 PM #105:	RoadsterUFO posted... SailorGoon posted... RoadsterUFO posted... Tyranthraxus posted... [LFAQs-redacted-quote] You are arguing against literal facts. Saturated fat is one of the worst things you can eat while unsaturated fat is healthy for you. BTW avocado and olive oil is basically almost entirely unsaturated fat. Saturated fat is good. Saturated fat is good. Monounsaturated fat, which are the fat avocados and olives have the most of, are also good. I am arguing against bad nutrition information that happens to be commonly accepted as and then shoved in the mainstream as facts and as healthy. It wasnt that long ago when these same talking heads parroted that eggs were bad for you because of the cholesterol content. It wasnt that long ago when these same talking heads parroted that avocados and olives were bad for you because they were high in fat. The so called claims that saturated fat is bad for you doesnt have strong hard evidence that backs it up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824152/ Now look for the studies on colorectal cancer and red meats/saturated fats. Listen guy, I'm not gonna say there are 0 benefits to consuming fats, but I'm also not going to blatantly disregard the inherent disadvantages that come with saturated fats. Main reason being my brush with cancer and the number one thing I've been advised to do is avoid saturated fats, specifically by cutting red meat out of my diet in favor of unsaturated fats. I have, those same studies entirely ignore and deflect variables that include the consumption of carbs, sugar, and vegetable oils. They always blame red meat while entirely ignoring the hamburger buns, the pizza dough, the deep fried potatoes, the cola, the milkshake, the apple pie. It is absolutely ridiculous to blame red meat while ignoring these things, especially when factoring that the majority of Americans eat out and the majority of restaurants cook every damn thing in vegetable oils, that same junk that is considered heart healthy by the experts that once said eggs were bad and avocados and olives make you fat. As I pointed out earlier, the people of Hong Kong live pretty lengthy lifespans while consuming a heavy amount of red meat. The fearmongering about red meat doesnt apply to the lifespans of the people of Hong Kong. No you haven't read those studies dude. It's obvious because you keep bringing up other things that don't affect the colon. It is an indisputable fact that saturated fats damage the colon. And again, China has an abnormally high colon cancer rate among their youth with the lowest 5 year survival rate. --- Me irl: https://i.imgtc.ws/DaWXgKp.png <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:929181287] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>SailorGoon posted...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> You are arguing against literal facts. Saturated fat is one of the worst things you can eat while unsaturated fat is healthy for you. BTW avocado and olive oil is basically almost entirely unsaturated fat. </quote> Saturated fat is good. Saturated fat is good. Monounsaturated fat, which are the fat avocados and olives have the most of, are also good. I am arguing against bad nutrition information that happens to be commonly accepted as and then shoved in the mainstream as facts and as healthy. It wasnt that long ago when these same talking heads parroted that eggs were bad for you because of the cholesterol content. It wasnt that long ago when these same talking heads parroted that avocados and olives were bad for you because they were high in fat. The so called claims that saturated fat is bad for you doesnt have strong hard evidence that backs it up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824152/</quote> Now look for the studies on colorectal cancer and red meats/saturated fats. Listen guy, I'm not gonna say there are 0 benefits to consuming fats, but I'm also not going to blatantly disregard the inherent disadvantages that come with saturated fats. Main reason being my brush with cancer and the number one thing I've been advised to do is avoid saturated fats, specifically by cutting red meat out of my diet in favor of unsaturated fats.</quote> I have, those same studies entirely ignore and deflect variables that include the consumption of carbs, sugar, and vegetable oils. They always blame red meat while entirely ignoring the hamburger buns, the pizza dough, the deep fried potatoes, the cola, the milkshake, the apple pie. It is absolutely ridiculous to blame red meat while ignoring these things, especially when factoring that the majority of Americans eat out and the majority of restaurants cook every damn thing in vegetable oils, that same junk that is considered heart healthy by the experts that once said eggs were bad and avocados and olives make you fat. As I pointed out earlier, the people of Hong Kong live pretty lengthy lifespans while consuming a heavy amount of red meat. The fearmongering about red meat doesnt apply to the lifespans of the people of Hong Kong.</quote> No you haven't read those studies dude. It's obvious because you keep bringing up other things that don't affect the colon. It is an indisputable fact that saturated fats damage the colon. And again, China has an abnormally high colon cancer rate among their youth with the lowest 5 year survival rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/24/19 12:42:52 PM #106:	also bringing up avocados makes this sound like "scientists used to think the earth was flat! don't trust science!" --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929181430] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>also bringing up avocados makes this sound like "scientists used to think the earth was flat! don't trust science!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 12:59:29 PM #108:	the back and forth study thing is tiresome fyi https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803089/ --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929182086] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>the back and forth study thing is tiresome fyi https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803089/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 1:00:27 PM #111:	RoadsterUFO posted... ThyCorndog posted... also bringing up avocados makes this sound like "scientists used to think the earth was flat! don't trust science!" The experts also said eggs were bad for you because of the cholesterol content and that marijuana was more dangerous than every other hard drug in the textbooks for public school health classes. Them getting things wrong isnt uncommon lol. you're muddying the waters by combining a bunch of unrelated things when you do that. marijuana for example is a total red herring --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929182125] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>also bringing up avocados makes this sound like "scientists used to think the earth was flat! don't trust science!"</quote> The experts also said eggs were bad for you because of the cholesterol content and that marijuana was more dangerous than every other hard drug in the textbooks for public school health classes. Them getting things wrong isnt uncommon lol.</quote> you're muddying the waters by combining a bunch of unrelated things when you do that. marijuana for example is a total red herring</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SailorGoon 10/24/19 1:57:29 PM #112:	I honestly don't get how you're trying to argue the anatomy of the colon and how it functions. Again, you want to say it's important to have a good fat intake? Fine. However to disregard the inherent disadvantages that come with HFD, specifically saturated fats, is just like... What? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00204-011-0648-7 DOC is a natural endogenous agent increased in the colonic contents of humans in response to a high fat diet. Our results show that DOC can act as a carcinogen. These findings mesh with a substantial body of epidemiological findings, as well as experimental evidence at the cellular level, which also indicate that bile acids have a major etiologic role in colon cancer in humans And like Duran pointed out. It's rather amusing how science is only infallibly correct unless it's about something you don't like. Everyone has posted numerous credible studies ITT, but those are wrong because the ones you like say otherwise? --- Me irl: https://i.imgtc.ws/DaWXgKp.png <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:929184628] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't get how you're trying to argue the anatomy of the colon and how it functions. Again, you want to say it's important to have a good fat intake? Fine. However to disregard the inherent disadvantages that come with HFD, specifically saturated fats, is just like... What? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00204-011-0648-7 <quote>DOC is a natural endogenous agent increased in the colonic contents of humans in response to a high fat diet. Our results show that DOC can act as a carcinogen. These findings mesh with a substantial body of epidemiological findings, as well as experimental evidence at the cellular level, which also indicate that bile acids have a major etiologic role in colon cancer in humans</quote> And like Duran pointed out. It's rather amusing how science is only infallibly correct unless it's about something you don't like. Everyone has posted numerous credible studies ITT, but those are wrong because the ones you like say otherwise?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 2:36:32 PM #114:	if its because the meat is breaded and/or fried then why do vegans in general regardless of how shitty their diet is have lower risk of heart disease compared to people who eat meat? like, what? red meat = ok, vegetable oil and carbs = ok, meat with carbs and vegetable oil = not ok? --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929186343] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>if its because the meat is breaded and/or fried then why do vegans in general regardless of how shitty their diet is have lower risk of heart disease compared to people who eat meat? like, what? red meat = ok, vegetable oil and carbs = ok, meat with carbs and vegetable oil = not ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 3:08:38 PM #116:	RoadsterUFO posted... ThyCorndog posted... if its because the meat is breaded and/or fried then why do vegans in general regardless of how shitty their diet is have lower risk of heart disease compared to people who eat meat? like, what? red meat = ok, vegetable oil and carbs = ok, meat with carbs and vegetable oil = not ok? Vegans/vegetarians dont live any longer than the average American that isnt either, as theyre still consuming all the junk the average American does that is carb heavy, sugar loaded, and vegetable oil drenched. India for a quick example is among the parts of the world with way lower meat consumption while living shorter lifespans and ironically enough having many of the same diseases that red meat gets demonized for as being the cause. Red meat is fine, carbs are fine if they are kept at a low amount, as the body stores it and later processes it as glucose. The average American eats an excessive astronomical amount of them every day though and wonder why they feel like garbage. Vegetable oil is not fine what so ever, theres zero reason to be consuming that pile of garbage. are you familiar with the concept of a blue zone? people who consume the vast majority of their calories from plants absolutely do live longer than those that don't. india is a very big place with a lot of problems beyond their diet, and I doubt they're eating a varied plant based diet in the first place. you know who has an even worse life expectancy than india? inuits who eat their traditional diets, which is almost a carnivore diet but I agree on the vegetable oil. I don't think oil in general is a health food and in general you should eat less of it (ideally 0, but not always the easiest thing to do) --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929187652] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>if its because the meat is breaded and/or fried then why do vegans in general regardless of how shitty their diet is have lower risk of heart disease compared to people who eat meat? like, what? red meat = ok, vegetable oil and carbs = ok, meat with carbs and vegetable oil = not ok?</quote> Vegans/vegetarians dont live any longer than the average American that isnt either, as theyre still consuming all the junk the average American does that is carb heavy, sugar loaded, and vegetable oil drenched. India for a quick example is among the parts of the world with way lower meat consumption while living shorter lifespans and ironically enough having many of the same diseases that red meat gets demonized for as being the cause. Red meat is fine, carbs are fine if they are kept at a low amount, as the body stores it and later processes it as glucose. The average American eats an excessive astronomical amount of them every day though and wonder why they feel like garbage. Vegetable oil is not fine what so ever, theres zero reason to be consuming that pile of garbage.</quote> are you familiar with the concept of a blue zone? people who consume the vast majority of their calories from plants absolutely do live longer than those that don't. india is a very big place with a lot of problems beyond their diet, and I doubt they're eating a varied plant based diet in the first place. you know who has an even worse life expectancy than india? inuits who eat their traditional diets, which is almost a carnivore diet but I agree on the vegetable oil. I don't think oil in general is a health food and in general you should eat less of it (ideally 0, but not always the easiest thing to do)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 3:19:43 PM #117:	ThyCorndog posted... but I agree on the vegetable oil. I don't think oil in general is a health food and in general you should eat less of it (ideally 0, but not always the easiest thing to do) "Oil" is a pretty broad term that makes it basically impossible to eat actually zero oil. The best you can do is to just not add any extra oil. If you do have to add oil, you should use an oil high in unsaturated fat and low in saturated fat like olive oil. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929188100] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>but I agree on the vegetable oil. I don't think oil in general is a health food and in general you should eat less of it (ideally 0, but not always the easiest thing to do)</quote> "Oil" is a pretty broad term that makes it basically impossible to eat actually zero oil. The best you can do is to just not add any extra oil. If you do have to add oil, you should use an oil high in unsaturated fat and low in saturated fat like olive oil. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/24/19 3:21:01 PM #118:	Tyranthraxus posted... ThyCorndog posted... but I agree on the vegetable oil. I don't think oil in general is a health food and in general you should eat less of it (ideally 0, but not always the easiest thing to do) "Oil" is a pretty broad term that makes it basically impossible to eat actually zero oil. The best you can do is to just not add any extra oil. If you do have to add oil, you should use an oil high in unsaturated fat and low in saturated fat like olive oil. true, but I meant processed oils, sorry. oil that's naturally in food (like eating whole nuts, etc) is good for you. absolutely --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929188148] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>but I agree on the vegetable oil. I don't think oil in general is a health food and in general you should eat less of it (ideally 0, but not always the easiest thing to do)</quote> "Oil" is a pretty broad term that makes it basically impossible to eat actually zero oil. The best you can do is to just not add any extra oil. If you do have to add oil, you should use an oil high in unsaturated fat and low in saturated fat like olive oil. </quote> true, but I meant processed oils, sorry. oil that's naturally in food (like eating whole nuts, etc) is good for you. absolutely</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yelsin 10/24/19 3:26:30 PM #119:	Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack. <cite>Yelsin posted [p:929188365] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 3:31:59 PM #121:	Yelsin posted... Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack. i've mostly replaced rice with quinoa starting almost 2 years ago and it's been a great decision. I still have rice sometimes cause I like it, but quinoa is bae --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929188601] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>Yelsin posted...</cite> <quote>Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack.</quote> i've mostly replaced rice with quinoa starting almost 2 years ago and it's been a great decision. I still have rice sometimes cause I like it, but quinoa is bae</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/24/19 3:33:26 PM #122:	Yelsin posted... Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack. It's versatile as hell. Top with soy sauce, top with gravy, top with maple, substitute for rice, mix with rice, stirfry in lard, etc. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929188650] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>Yelsin posted...</cite> <quote>Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack.</quote> It's versatile as hell. Top with soy sauce, top with gravy, top with maple, substitute for rice, mix with rice, stirfry in lard, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yelsin 10/24/19 3:37:08 PM #123:	DuranOfForcena posted... Yelsin posted... Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack. quinoa isn't good for only vegans. i've made it a staple of my diet, including it in grilled chicken and rice bowls that i meal prep and eat about 3-4 times a week for dinner. got grilled chicken, brown rice, quinoa, black beans, mixed veggies and mashed avocado in there. it's a protein and fiber powerhouse. Nice. I make the exact same dish, except I swap out the chicken for some tofu / cottage cheese (I'm vegetarian, not vegan). <cite>Yelsin posted [p:929188787] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote>Yelsin posted...</cite> <quote>Quinoa is the ultimate vegan protein hack.</quote> quinoa isn't good for only vegans. i've made it a staple of my diet, including it in grilled chicken and rice bowls that i meal prep and eat about 3-4 times a week for dinner. got grilled chicken, brown rice, quinoa, black beans, mixed veggies and mashed avocado in there. it's a protein and fiber powerhouse.</quote> Nice. I make the exact same dish, except I swap out the chicken for some tofu / cottage cheese (I'm vegetarian, not vegan).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 10/24/19 3:42:11 PM #124:	It's funny that this RoadsterUFO guy keeps bringing up "mainstream media" pushing eggs being bad for you, when the egg debate has waffled a million times -- and currently the AND is pro-egg, pro-avocado, AND pro-olive. But they're also not into this keto, "eat all the red meat you'd like!" bullshit that he seems to be pushing in this thread. Also anyone who keeps using the term "nutritionist" instead of dietitian you can pretty much assume isn't reputable. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:929189020] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>It's funny that this RoadsterUFO guy keeps bringing up "mainstream media" pushing eggs being bad for you, when the egg debate has waffled a million times -- and currently the AND is pro-egg, pro-avocado, AND pro-olive. But they're also not into this keto, "eat all the red meat you'd like!" bullshit that he seems to be pushing in this thread. Also anyone who keeps using the term "nutritionist" instead of dietitian you can pretty much assume isn't reputable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/24/19 3:49:09 PM #125:	bobbaaay posted... It's funny that this RoadsterUFO guy keeps bringing up "mainstream media" pushing eggs being bad for you, when the egg debate has waffled a million times -- and currently the AND is pro-egg, pro-avocado, AND pro-olive. You see a 400-pounder drop dead at 35, and note that he eats seven eggs every morning, it's vaguely understandable how you'd miss the big picture here. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929189317] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny that this RoadsterUFO guy keeps bringing up "mainstream media" pushing eggs being bad for you, when the egg debate has waffled a million times -- and currently the AND is pro-egg, pro-avocado, AND pro-olive.</quote> You see a 400-pounder drop dead at 35, and note that he eats seven eggs every morning, it's vaguely understandable how you'd miss the big picture here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 10/24/19 9:53:58 PM #127:	What an odd, pathetic melty --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:929203693] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>What an odd, pathetic melty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 9:56:21 PM #128:	RoadsterUFO posted... Notice how every anti-red meat post in this topic entirely dodges and evades if and how many carbs, sugars, and vegetable oils They're also dodging how bad drinking antifreeze is because it's not a subject up for debate nor is anyone out to suggest it's good for you like you're doing with saturated fats. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929203781] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted... </cite> <quote>Notice how every anti-red meat post in this topic entirely dodges and evades if and how many carbs, sugars, and vegetable oils</quote> They're also dodging how bad drinking antifreeze is because it's not a subject up for debate nor is anyone out to suggest it's good for you like you're doing with saturated fats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SailorGoon 10/24/19 10:04:20 PM #130:	If we're gonna use anecdotal evidence can we use me? I got diagnosed with colon cancer at the young age of 22 despite having no family history, a "healthy" diet(high protein+fat, low carbs, sugar), and regular exercise. I pOsTeD sTuDieS Big fucking whoop guy. So did literally everyone else itt. I posted one that looked specifically at how the body reacts to saturated fats and the bile it produces which promotes risk. Real talk, I'm more likely to listen to an actual proctologist who specializes in this matter and actually saved my life than some dude online who's posting studies that are outnumbered and outdated by everything else posted itt. --- Me irl: https://i.imgtc.ws/DaWXgKp.png <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:929204092] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>If we're gonna use anecdotal evidence can we use me? I got diagnosed with colon cancer at the young age of 22 despite having no family history, a "healthy" diet(high protein+fat, low carbs, sugar), and regular exercise. I pOsTeD sTuDieS Big fucking whoop guy. So did literally everyone else itt. I posted one that looked specifically at how the body reacts to saturated fats and the bile it produces which promotes risk. Real talk, I'm more likely to listen to an actual proctologist who specializes in this matter and actually saved my life than some dude online who's posting studies that are outnumbered and outdated by everything else posted itt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 10:04:25 PM #131:	RoadsterUFO posted... It is subject for debate because a lot of people that eat red meat typically also eat all this alongside it. Trying to deflect and go around it and ignore it is being dishonest on the matter. No one has claimed carbs and vegetable oil are healthy for you. You, on the other hand claimed saturated fat is good for you. That is why no one is addressing your claims about carbs and vegetable oils being bad because that itself is a diversion from your original claim which you cannot defend that saturated fats are good. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929204096] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted... </cite> <quote>It is subject for debate because a lot of people that eat red meat typically also eat all this alongside it. Trying to deflect and go around it and ignore it is being dishonest on the matter.</quote>No one has claimed carbs and vegetable oil are healthy for you. You, on the other hand claimed saturated fat is good for you. That is why no one is addressing your claims about carbs and vegetable oils being bad because that itself is a diversion from your original claim which you cannot defend that saturated fats are good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/24/19 10:08:30 PM #133:	and yet saturated fats are bad for your heart and polyunsaturated fats are good for your heart really makes u think --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929204246] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>and yet saturated fats are bad for your heart and polyunsaturated fats are good for your heart really makes u think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 10:09:38 PM #134:	RoadsterUFO posted... Saturated fats are good. Polyunsaturated fats in excess, typically what vegetable oils consist of and what the red meat is cooked in frequently is NOT. Vegetable oils are generally implied to be partially hydrogenated which is known to most people as "margarine" which isn't unsaturated fat, but rather vegetable oil is trans fats which are also bad. Also any calorie dense source in excess is bad, that's not something unique to unsaturated fats. Having a high amount of dietary unsaturated fat while keeping your calories ingested reasonable is healthy. Doing the same thing but replacing the unsaturated fat with saturated fat or trans fats is not. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929204296] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>RoadsterUFO posted... </cite> <quote>Saturated fats are good. Polyunsaturated fats in excess, typically what vegetable oils consist of and what the red meat is cooked in frequently is NOT.</quote>Vegetable oils are generally implied to be partially hydrogenated which is known to most people as "margarine" which isn't unsaturated fat, but rather vegetable oil is trans fats which are also bad. Also any calorie dense source in excess is bad, that's not something unique to unsaturated fats. Having a high amount of dietary unsaturated fat while keeping your calories ingested reasonable is healthy. Doing the same thing but replacing the unsaturated fat with saturated fat or trans fats is not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/24/19 10:10:32 PM #135:	fyi omega 3's and omega 6's are polyunsaturated fat, which I thought you said were good at one point... now you're saying polyunsaturated fat is bad. so confusing --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929204330] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>fyi omega 3's and omega 6's are polyunsaturated fat, which I thought you said were good at one point... now you're saying polyunsaturated fat is bad. so confusing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 10:12:13 PM #136:	ThyCorndog posted... fyi omega 3's and omega 6's are polyunsaturated fat, which I thought you said were good at one point... now you're saying polyunsaturated fat is bad. so confusing He doesn't really know what he's arguing anymore. He made a dumb claim about saturated fats being good and would rather play twister on a trampoline than admit he was wrong. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929204384] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>fyi omega 3's and omega 6's are polyunsaturated fat, which I thought you said were good at one point... now you're saying polyunsaturated fat is bad. so confusing</quote> He doesn't really know what he's arguing anymore. He made a dumb claim about saturated fats being good and would rather play twister on a trampoline than admit he was wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SgtLunatics 10/24/19 10:28:56 PM #138:	What nutjob invented veganism in the first place? --- PSN: SgtLunatics, XBO: SgtLunatics114, Switch: SW-0806-1869-5580 <cite>SgtLunatics posted [p:929205073] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>What nutjob invented veganism in the first place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/24/19 10:38:20 PM #139:	SgtLunatics posted... What nutjob invented veganism in the first place? Probably a Hindu or Jain --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929205449] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>SgtLunatics posted... </cite> <quote>What nutjob invented veganism in the first place?</quote>Probably a Hindu or Jain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 10/25/19 5:10:34 AM #140:	Flockaveli posted... This is the same with every other vitamin your body needs. Where do you think the animal you're eating gets it from? From being fed plants and supplements all day. Cows and chickens are high in protein because they eat plants and pills all day. Animals are just a middle man and filter out more vitamins, so you're actually getting less than if you were to just go straight to the source and eat plants and take supplements. The whole 10% energy loss food chain you were supposed to learn in high school biology. Yeah I cringe whenever I hear the "veganism is bad because they have to grow all those crops" or the "I don't care about animals suffering, human hunger is more important" shit, like bitch what do you think farm animals eat, fissile materials? It'll take around 10x the crops to produce the same amount of calories of beef. Totally fake and embarrassing arguments tbh --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:929214093] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>Flockaveli posted...</cite> <quote>This is the same with every other vitamin your body needs. Where do you think the animal you're eating gets it from? From being fed plants and supplements all day. Cows and chickens are high in protein because they eat plants and pills all day. Animals are just a middle man and filter out more vitamins, so you're actually getting less than if you were to just go straight to the source and eat plants and take supplements. The whole 10% energy loss food chain you were supposed to learn in high school biology.</quote> Yeah I cringe whenever I hear the "veganism is bad because they have to grow all those crops" or the "I don't care about animals suffering, human hunger is more important" shit, like bitch what do you think farm animals eat, fissile materials? It'll take around 10x the crops to produce the same amount of calories of beef. Totally fake and embarrassing arguments tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/25/19 5:15:32 AM #141:	Tyranthraxus posted... would rather play twister on a trampoline That really doesn't sound that hard. Twister on a pool floatie would be way more applicable. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:929214154] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>would rather play twister on a trampoline</quote> That really doesn't sound that hard. Twister on a pool floatie would be way more applicable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 10/25/19 5:26:22 AM #142:	ASithLord7 posted... DuranOfForcena posted... ASithLord7 posted... southcoast09 posted... ASithLord7 posted... southcoast09 posted... Its making your body intake an unnatural diet. It literally isnt. It literally is. Like I said, if you have to take vitamins to balance your diet, that means your diet is not sufficient. Humans are omnivorous by nature. Veganism is a modern concept. Many if not most people take vitamins to supplement deficiencies. Appealing to nature is a dumb tactic. Humans are not obligate omnivores. Stick to Trump slurping holy fuck what a stupid post Care to explain why other than the typical bitter Duran shitposting? You really want this explained to you? Lol --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:929214300] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Its making your body intake an unnatural diet.</quote> It literally isnt.</quote> It literally is. Like I said, if you have to take vitamins to balance your diet, that means your diet is not sufficient. Humans are omnivorous by nature. Veganism is a modern concept.</quote> Many if not most people take vitamins to supplement deficiencies. Appealing to nature is a dumb tactic. Humans are not obligate omnivores. Stick to Trump slurping</quote> holy fuck what a stupid post</quote> Care to explain why other than the typical bitter Duran shitposting?</quote> You really want this explained to you? Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 10/25/19 12:27:53 PM #143:	unpleasant_milk posted... ASithLord7 posted... DuranOfForcena posted... ASithLord7 posted... southcoast09 posted... ASithLord7 posted... southcoast09 posted... Its making your body intake an unnatural diet. It literally isnt. It literally is. Like I said, if you have to take vitamins to balance your diet, that means your diet is not sufficient. Humans are omnivorous by nature. Veganism is a modern concept. Many if not most people take vitamins to supplement deficiencies. Appealing to nature is a dumb tactic. Humans are not obligate omnivores. Stick to Trump slurping holy fuck what a stupid post Care to explain why other than the typical bitter Duran shitposting? You really want this explained to you? Lol Yes. Humans are not obligate omnivores, and hurr if you take vitamins your diet is bad and unnatural is not an argument --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:929224560] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Its making your body intake an unnatural diet.</quote> It literally isnt.</quote> It literally is. Like I said, if you have to take vitamins to balance your diet, that means your diet is not sufficient. Humans are omnivorous by nature. Veganism is a modern concept.</quote> Many if not most people take vitamins to supplement deficiencies. Appealing to nature is a dumb tactic. Humans are not obligate omnivores. Stick to Trump slurping</quote> holy fuck what a stupid post</quote> Care to explain why other than the typical bitter Duran shitposting?</quote> You really want this explained to you? Lol</quote> Yes. Humans are not obligate omnivores, and hurr if you take vitamins your diet is bad and unnatural is not an argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/25/19 12:38:11 PM #144:	DrizztLink posted... That really doesn't sound that hard. Twister on a pool floatie would be way more applicable. Twister on a pool floatie but the pool is a wave pool --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:929225017] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>That really doesn't sound that hard. Twister on a pool floatie would be way more applicable.</quote> Twister on a pool floatie but the pool is a wave pool </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/25/19 1:29:27 PM #147:	putting aside that people go vegan for more than just health/diet reasons and do so for environmental and/or ethical reasons in addition to health... the reason meat is so affordable in the first place is because it's subsidized by the government. meat would be unaffordable for the average person to buy and consume daily if it wasn't. fruits and vegetables aren't subsidized however (things like corn, grain and soy are, because they feed animals with them) if fruits and vegetables were subsidized, then they'd be even more affordable than meat is --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929226967] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>putting aside that people go vegan for more than just health/diet reasons and do so for environmental and/or ethical reasons in addition to health... the reason meat is so affordable in the first place is because it's subsidized by the government. meat would be unaffordable for the average person to buy and consume daily if it wasn't. fruits and vegetables aren't subsidized however (things like corn, grain and soy are, because they feed animals with them) if fruits and vegetables were subsidized, then they'd be even more affordable than meat is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SailorGoon 10/25/19 2:20:26 PM #149:	You're really showing how uninformed you are as to what vegan diet really is. It's obviously not just fruit all day erry day. Nobody is saying fruit supplements the necessary protein that meat potentially can. Can you not be disingenuous for like 5 seconds. There's plenty of nuts, seeds, legumes and other plant based proteins that are also rich in unsaturated fats and fibers. Quinoa is a god tier food for everyone. As for not understanding the ethics? Your analogy would be much smarter if people were forcing women to have babies and having them contained in inhumane conditions to just keep popping them out. The larger unethical issues lie in farming the eggs. Animals are still suffering greatly at the expense of supplying you with your fresh dozens. You said it yourself. A woman has a choice. A chicken doesn't have a choice to be confined and forced to produce eggs until it becomes useless and handed off to the slaughter house. --- Me irl: https://i.imgtc.ws/DaWXgKp.png <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:929228976] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>You're really showing how uninformed you are as to what vegan diet really is. It's obviously not just fruit all day erry day. Nobody is saying fruit supplements the necessary protein that meat potentially can. Can you not be disingenuous for like 5 seconds. There's plenty of nuts, seeds, legumes and other plant based proteins that are also rich in unsaturated fats and fibers. Quinoa is a god tier food for everyone. As for not understanding the ethics? Your analogy would be much smarter if people were forcing women to have babies and having them contained in inhumane conditions to just keep popping them out. The larger unethical issues lie in farming the eggs. Animals are still suffering greatly at the expense of supplying you with your fresh dozens. You said it yourself. A woman has a choice. A chicken doesn't have a choice to be confined and forced to produce eggs until it becomes useless and handed off to the slaughter house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/25/19 2:57:21 PM #150:	and also if you were killing off male babies and using female babies to make more babies I didn't fully understand why eating eggs was unethical until I learned they dispose of the male chicks, because they aren't of use to farmers. like, raising chickens in your backyard for eggs seemed fine to me because you know you arent going to abuse them or keep them in bad conditions. but yet, you have to dispose of the males. there's like no practical scenario where it's ethical --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929230449] in I should r... [t:78102466]...</cite> <quote>and also if you were killing off male babies and using female babies to make more babies I didn't fully understand why eating eggs was unethical until I learned they dispose of the male chicks, because they aren't of use to farmers. like, raising chickens in your backyard for eggs seemed fine to me because you know you arent going to abuse them or keep them in bad conditions. but yet, you have to dispose of the males. there's like no practical scenario where it's ethical</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > I should really go ahead and make the jump to veganism tbh.