Current Events > BREAKING: Trump Ukraine phone call memo released (actual link)

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joe40001
09/25/19 10:15:21 AM
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joe40001
09/25/19 10:21:12 AM
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The issue is that there is no explicit quid pro quo so if that transcript is the extent of the issue Trump's not going to get impeached.
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DarkRoast
09/25/19 10:22:05 AM
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The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

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joe40001
09/25/19 10:23:07 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

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Yeah, that seems to be the main part. I can't tell if he's talking about investigating the same person in the earlier paragraph or not.
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BLAKUboy
09/25/19 10:24:01 AM
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joe40001 posted...
The issue is that there is no explicit quid pro quo so if that transcript is the extent of the issue Trump's not going to get impeached.

Pelosi explicitly said quid-pro-quo wasnt needed to impeach.
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joe40001
09/25/19 10:24:21 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
The issue is that there is no explicit quid pro quo so if that transcript is the extent of the issue Trump's not going to get impeached.

Pelosi explicitly said quid-pro-quo wasnt needed to impeach.


Oh snap, for real?
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tullock
09/25/19 10:31:03 AM
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And who said this phone call was the whistleblowers complaint? The administration is the only one trying to frame it as such
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Balrog0
09/25/19 10:35:45 AM
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I mean it seems pretty explicit to me unless you expect him to literally say "I will not do this unless you give me something first"

and I mean he gets pretty close to that?

"I want to buy stuff from you"
"I want a favor from you though"

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BLAKUboy
09/25/19 10:35:56 AM
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Sounds like there may have been quid-pro-quo anyway. From 261...
MegatokyoEd posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
Just read the transcript. Trump's final words before he segues into asking for Ukraine to do a "favor" for him are these:

I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.


Yeah, he's fucked.

Is this quid-pro-quo?


Trump stops talking at that point and the Ukrainian president starts talking, ending by mentioning they plan to buy weapons from US. Trump then instantly goes into asking for favors "THOUGH."

Even for Trump's usual mobster talk, this is really explicit.

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Hanky_Bannister
09/25/19 10:37:49 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Sounds like there may have been quid-pro-quo anyway. From 261...
MegatokyoEd posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
Just read the transcript. Trump's final words before he segues into asking for Ukraine to do a "favor" for him are these:

I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.


Yeah, he's fucked.

Is this quid-pro-quo?


Trump stops talking at that point and the Ukrainian president starts talking, ending by mentioning they plan to buy weapons from US. Trump then instantly goes into asking for favors "THOUGH."

Even for Trump's usual mobster talk, this is really explicit.

its proof of his quid pro quo
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joe40001
09/25/19 10:39:27 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
I mean it seems pretty explicit to me unless you expect him to literally say "I will not do this unless you give me something first"

and I mean he gets pretty close to that?

"I want to buy stuff from you"
"I want a favor from you though"

BLAKUboy posted...
Sounds like there may have been quid-pro-quo anyway. From 261...
MegatokyoEd posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
Just read the transcript. Trump's final words before he segues into asking for Ukraine to do a "favor" for him are these:

I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.


Yeah, he's fucked.

Is this quid-pro-quo?


Trump stops talking at that point and the Ukrainian president starts talking, ending by mentioning they plan to buy weapons from US. Trump then instantly goes into asking for favors "THOUGH."

Even for Trump's usual mobster talk, this is really explicit.


Deconstruction of the meaning of the word "though" coming via fox news incoming, I'm thinking.
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Sackgurl
09/25/19 10:40:00 AM
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"declassify by" date does not make sense
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DanHaren2019
09/25/19 10:43:33 AM
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Yal are twisting this biden thing like trump wanted it. UK and Ukraine investigaters were both looking into the company. The ukraine investigaters weren't cooperating. literally every country, including the ukrainian people wanted that investigator fired. Biden got it done. So its literally the exact opposite of what trump is spinning this into.
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OldIronKing
09/25/19 10:44:58 AM
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joe40001 posted...
The issue is that there is no explicit quid pro quo so if that transcript is the extent of the issue Trump's not going to get impeached.

He won't, but the Dems have been planning impeachment for a long time now. The Ukraine "thing", even though there's nothing there, was simply an excuse to pivot.
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HypnoCoosh
09/25/19 10:46:00 AM
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Here is Biden bragging about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBVs0w48OA" data-time="&start=154

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andel
09/25/19 10:46:56 AM
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more proof trump is a corrupt traitor...his cult will still be fine with it but just another thing very damning about him
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DanHaren2019
09/25/19 10:46:58 AM
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If Biden had a conflict of interest in helping his son, he would not have gotten the investigator fired, because the investigator was corrupt and was not doing a proper job and he was obstructing other investigators.

Again, keep eating trumps shit.
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joe40001
09/25/19 10:57:22 AM
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OldIronKing posted...
joe40001 posted...
The issue is that there is no explicit quid pro quo so if that transcript is the extent of the issue Trump's not going to get impeached.

He won't, but the Dems have been planning impeachment for a long time now. The Ukraine "thing", even though there's nothing there, was simply an excuse to pivot.


So you don't think it's dicey what Trump did?
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Hornezz
09/25/19 11:01:47 AM
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Why exactly is Giuliani handling foreign affairs like this? He doesn't have a WH position, he's Trump's personal lawyer.

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ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 11:10:18 AM
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It's cute that Trump thought this memo would HELP him.
And it is a memorandum, not a transcript, because it doesn't reproduce the actual conversation, it's more of a summary or paraphrase.
How much worse might the actual conversation have been? Because even from this, it's pretty damned terrible.
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Hanky_Bannister
09/25/19 11:10:30 AM
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Hornezz posted...
Why exactly is Giuliani handling foreign affairs like this? He doesn't have a WH position, he's Trump's personal lawyer.

the trump admin is utter shit run by a criminal
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Siaperaz
09/25/19 11:17:58 AM
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It's crazy how far the Democrats will. Go to defend a proven criminal, Biden Jr.

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Hanky_Bannister
09/25/19 11:18:58 AM
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Siaperaz posted...
It's crazy how far the Republicans will. Go to defend a proven criminal, Trump.


i agree

100%
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HypnoCoosh
09/25/19 11:21:04 AM
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Siaperaz posted...
It's crazy how far the Democrats will. Go to defend a proven criminal, Biden Jr.


Dude, look at their queen Hillary for reference.
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friendbuddypal
09/25/19 11:22:40 AM
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Anyone with a shred of legal knowledge knows that this is a smoking gun. He's just proven that he's committed treason, it's time to impeach.

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Machete
09/25/19 11:27:17 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Here is Biden bragging about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBVs0w48OA" data-time="&start=154


Here is HypnoCoosh farting onto his keyboard and posting the results
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Tired-Insomniac
09/25/19 11:39:08 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Siaperaz posted...
It's crazy how far the Democrats will. Go to defend a proven criminal, Biden Jr.


Dude, look at their queen Hillary for reference.


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joe40001
09/25/19 12:13:45 PM
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It's weird to see Trump hyper defenders come out, they always seem like they are half joking or trolling, but maybe that's just what trump support does to the brain.
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DarkRoast
09/25/19 12:15:50 PM
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My two cents: Trump committed treason by asking a foreign government to investigate a US citizen for purely political reasons. Whether or not Biden actually did something sketchy is basically irrelevant.

It's not that complicated.
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Rexdragon125
09/25/19 12:16:26 PM
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So it's okay for Trump to commit treason on purpose but not Hillary to have insecure emails

It's impossible to take Trumpeters seriously
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DarkRoast
09/25/19 12:17:56 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
So it's okay for Trump to commit treason on purpose but not Hillary to have insecure emails

It's impossible to take Trumpeters seriously


Hillary was a dumpster for sure

But nothing compared to the plasma-engulfed flaming dumpster fire that is the Trump administration.
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OldIronKing
09/25/19 12:31:12 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
My two cents: Trump committed treason by asking a foreign government to investigate a US citizen for purely political reasons. Whether or not Biden actually did something sketchy is basically irrelevant.

It's not that complicated.

Is that your true position or are you attempting to appease the mob attacking you
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DarkRoast
09/25/19 12:41:56 PM
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OldIronKing posted...
DarkRoast posted...
My two cents: Trump committed treason by asking a foreign government to investigate a US citizen for purely political reasons. Whether or not Biden actually did something sketchy is basically irrelevant.

It's not that complicated.

Is that your true position or are you attempting to appease the mob attacking you


At no point have I ever had any feeling other than deep loathing for Trump.
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Sackgurl
09/25/19 1:06:02 PM
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i accept this appeasement
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