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solosnake
09/21/19 9:17:38 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/politics/iowa-poll-2020-democrats/index.html

Welp.

You guys ready for four more years of Trump?
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RebelElite791
09/21/19 9:21:12 PM
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I'm ready for 4 years of Warren.
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R1masher
09/21/19 9:21:22 PM
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Was she in Thelma and Louise?
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Duncanwii
09/21/19 9:22:35 PM
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solosnake posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/politics/iowa-poll-2020-democrats/index.html

Welp.

You guys ready for four more years of Trump?
The country wont survive 4 more years of Trump.

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UnholyMudcrab
09/21/19 9:23:15 PM
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Why would I be upset that the better candidate is polling higher?
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Blue_Dream87
09/21/19 9:26:55 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
I'm ready for 4 years of Warren.



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Agnostic420
09/22/19 8:49:39 AM
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Anyone quoting polls after last election just needs to stop or get their memory jogged. These polls are egregious and dont mean shit.
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Hexenherz
09/22/19 8:50:25 AM
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I just don't get why the voters in this country have a hard-on for senile old men who can't speak coherently.
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Phantom_Nook
09/22/19 8:50:32 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Why would I be upset that the better candidate is polling higher?

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ultimate reaver
09/22/19 8:50:53 AM
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Too early to mean much but good
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ZMythos
09/22/19 8:51:26 AM
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Agnostic420 posted...
Anyone quoting polls after last election just needs to stop or get their memory jogged. These polls are egregious and dont mean shit.

You realize that trump lost the popular vote
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MudKip_Master
09/22/19 8:52:14 AM
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Both are horrible with too much baggage
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Doom_Art
09/22/19 8:56:20 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
I'm ready for 4 years of Warren.
*8 years of Warren

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Doom_Art
09/22/19 10:51:38 AM
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Also is Biden leading in any early pimary state besides South Carolina?

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AlisLandale
09/22/19 10:57:39 AM
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Just as long as its not Biden.

Please, DNC. Youve made some good baby steps forward. Now you just have to prove you learned SOMETHING

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KiwiTerraRizing
09/22/19 11:00:24 AM
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Biden will be crushed by Trump, only Warren and Bernie can beat him

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DrizztLink
09/22/19 11:00:41 AM
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Spooking posted...
Who will Liz blame when she loses the general?
Probably Shaq.

Dude said that she would save time if she just went online for a great low rate.

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The Admiral
09/22/19 11:01:24 AM
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I don't know why you guys do this to yourself. It's nice to find a state or two where Biden isn't leading, but he's clearly the front runner and is going to get the nomination. He's also crushing it in all the national polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/


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masticatingman
09/22/19 11:06:39 AM
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Even if the polls meant something the primary elections dont even mean jack until a few weeks in that process.
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The Admiral
09/22/19 11:07:24 AM
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Spooking posted...
A lot of folks live in their own little bubble where either Sanders or Warren are the talk of the town. They are perplex to why Biden has any support at all. Polls like this and Monmouth (an outlier) give them hope.


I kind of get it if you spend your days on the Internet with other manchildren who long for the "free shit" era to begin, but the average Democratic voter is a soccer mom in her 40s-50s who will never vote for these quasi-socialist candidates. It's amazing how little support Warren/Bernie have once you start talking to gainfully employed adults.

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darkprince45
09/22/19 11:08:52 AM
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Every poll thats been posted here is Biden in the lead with neck and neck sanders/warren
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Doom_Art
09/22/19 11:09:33 AM
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The Admiral posted...
I don't know why you guys do this to yourself. It's nice to find a state or two where Biden isn't leading, but he's clearly the front runner and is going to get the nomination. He's also crushing it in all the national polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/
I mean national polls mean little when the primary is conducted state by state, where Biden is kinda struggling.

The Admiral posted...
kind of get it if you spend your days on the Internet with other manchildren who long for the "free shit" era to begin, but the average Democratic voter is a soccer mom in her 40s-50s who will never vote for these quasi-socialist candidates. It's amazing how little support Warren/Biden have once you start talking to gainfully employed adults.
Also wow this really bugs you lol

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Febrel
09/22/19 11:11:12 AM
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The Admiral posted...
I don't know why you guys do this to yourself. It's nice to find a state or two where Biden isn't leading, but he's clearly the front runner and is going to get the nomination. He's also crushing it in all the national polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/


National polls are irrelevant for the same reason that Clinton beating Trump in the popular vote was irrelevant; elections aren't decided that way.

It's always about states.
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Alpha218
09/22/19 11:11:21 AM
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Agnostic420 posted...
Anyone quoting polls after last election just needs to stop or get their memory jogged. These polls are egregious and dont mean shit.
Anyone who says this has no idea how polls work

The polls merely predicted the chance Trump and Hillary had to win the race. While his chance was much lower, that didn't mean the polls said he was going to lose.

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Alpha218
09/22/19 11:13:10 AM
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The Admiral posted...
I don't know why you guys do this to yourself. It's nice to find a state or two where Biden isn't leading, but he's clearly the front runner and is going to get the nomination. He's also crushing it in all the national polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/
You don't see how polls in the first primary state are important?

Considering how powerful momentum is in primary season I'd say Iowa is a pretty important state to poll, even a half-year out.

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Antifar
09/22/19 11:16:21 AM
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The Admiral posted...
the average Democratic voter is a soccer mom in her 40s-50s who will never vote for these quasi-socialist candidates.

The polls you cite generally have Sanders/Warren combined having as much if not more support than Biden, so I'm curious what you're basing this claim on.
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The Admiral
09/22/19 11:17:38 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
You don't see how polls in the first primary state are important?


Iowa is caucus state, not a primary state. But Iowa is historically pretty meaningless in predicting the eventual nominee.

In 2008, Mike Huckabee won
In 2012, Rick Santorum won
In 2016, Ted Cruz won

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Anteaterking
09/22/19 11:22:48 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Iowa is caucus state, not a primary state. But Iowa is historically pretty meaningless in predicting the eventual nominee.

In 2008, Mike Huckabee won
In 2012, Rick Santorum won
In 2016, Ted Cruz won


Alright, let's look at the Democratic ones

2016: Hillary won
2008: Obama won
2004: Kerry won
2000: Gore won
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KobeSystem
09/22/19 11:25:59 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
I just don't get why the voters in this country have a hard-on for senile old men who can't speak coherently.


The only people thay vote are senile old men who cant speak coherently

This is why we need popular vote. Your vote doesnt matter unless youre a senile old man in florida or ohio etc
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Doom_Art
09/22/19 11:28:10 AM
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And then NH, and the NV

If Biden can't do well in IA, NH, or NV then that sucks a lot of life out of his campaign.

I mean the supposed frontrunner either barely winning or losing the first few contests is historically kinda not great

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Anteaterking
09/22/19 11:42:16 AM
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Is it dumb to think "A bad poll? IT'S ALL OVER FOR BIDEN". Sure. It's also dumb to take a look at polls from months ago this year and assume that Joe Biden leading then means he's definitely going to win.

Biden is closer to a Jeb Bush than he is an Obama in terms of trajectory. Sometimes Jeb Bushes win. But sometimes they lose.
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WashYourHands
09/22/19 11:46:18 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
I just don't get why the voters in this country have a hard-on for senile old men who can't speak coherently.
Because they are always the only candidates

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solosnake
09/22/19 12:02:57 PM
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Sanders/Warren/Biden has any chance in hell of beating Trump is fucking delusional. I want Trump gone as much as the next guy, but I am not so dumb as to think any of these dem candidates actually stand a chance.
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Antifar
09/22/19 12:04:27 PM
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solosnake posted...
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Sanders/Warren/Biden has any chance in hell of beating Trump is fucking delusional. I want Trump gone as much as the next guy, but I am not so dumb as to think any of these dem candidates actually stand a chance.

Dems would have a better shot running hillary again than any of these fools

What do you base this opinion on?
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Pukelid
09/22/19 12:08:35 PM
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Antifar posted...
solosnake posted...
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Sanders/Warren/Biden has any chance in hell of beating Trump is fucking delusional. I want Trump gone as much as the next guy, but I am not so dumb as to think any of these dem candidates actually stand a chance.

Dems would have a better shot running hillary again than any of these fools

What do you base this opinion on?

Whatever gets people to respond to him
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solosnake
09/22/19 12:09:40 PM
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I could ask the same thing of people who actually believe Warren has any chance in hell. Hillary couldnt win, but Warren will?

gtfo
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CyricZ
09/22/19 12:12:27 PM
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Are Hillary and Warren the same person and I just wasn't paying attention?

Or is this just TC and his 4D brain factoring "gender" into the mystical attribute known as "electability"?
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solosnake
09/22/19 12:12:45 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...

And again, youre basing this on...?

And again, what are you basing your thoughts of her or Bernie or fucking Biden actually having a shot of beating Trump? Cause I havent seen any evidence that any of them stand a chance. Mostly just wishful thinking
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Pukelid
09/22/19 12:14:12 PM
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Oh wow imagine that

instead of answering you guys he's dicking u around
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CyricZ
09/22/19 12:14:44 PM
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Spooking posted...
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Hillary has been in the spotlight since the 90's while Warren is just being discovered by the mainstream voters.

I'm-a call this "a good thing". Just my opinion, though.
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solosnake
09/22/19 12:15:39 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
solosnake posted...
shockthemonkey posted...

And again, youre basing this on...?

And again, what are you basing your thoughts of her or Bernie or fucking Biden actually having a shot of beating Trump? Cause I havent seen any evidence that any of them stand a chance. Mostly just wishful thinking

Ok youre just rambling like a morning drunk

Ok, so you just HOPE that one of these 70+ year old democratic candidate will end up beating Trump, and refuse to provide any reasonable evidence that any single persona actually stands a chance against Trump. Instead you just hurl insults
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Anteaterking
09/22/19 12:16:48 PM
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solosnake posted...
any reasonable evidence


What does reasonable evidence look like?
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solosnake
09/22/19 12:18:31 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
solosnake posted...
any reasonable evidence


What does reasonable evidence look like?

Okay, any evidence at all. Like I said, I hope Trump is gone as much as anyone, but I am not delusional. Also I dont hurl insults to people just because they point out that dems dont have a good candidate even though they have had 4 years now. It makes me upset too, but Im not gonna get mad at someone for pointing out the obvious lol.
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