Poll of the Day > Trump presented week old Dorian map altered with sharpie to include Alabama

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TheWorstPoster posted...

https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/energy-environment/460315-noaa-releases-statement-saying-it-told-trump-hurricane

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_34_F120

That's because he was informed for a 10% to 15% chance of tropical force winds could impact Alabama, based on models he had received on the day that he did that. NOAA disavowed what the NWS said about what the President did.

He said he was informed it was a 95% chance
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TheWorstPoster posted...

https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/energy-environment/460315-noaa-releases-statement-saying-it-told-trump-hurricane

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_34_F120

That's because he was informed for a 10% to 15% chance of tropical force winds could impact Alabama, based on models he had received on the day that he did that. NOAA disavowed what the NWS said about what the President did.

So... rather than waiting for the NWS to make an actual statement to that effect (which would presumably include actual probabilities and other useful information), he took a sharpie to an existing map so he could prove he wasn't wrong? You're not exactly doing your lord and cheeto any favours there, dude.
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I'm pretty sure you guys have someone going senile as president. Not that Trudeau is great but damn.
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Holy shit evacuate Alabama!!

The president knows that it's going to be hit hard by this storm.

dementedlullaby posted...

I'm pretty sure you guys have someone going senile as president. Not that Trudeau is great but damn.

He is more than senile, he is like the worst qualities of GW Bush and lacking any of the reasonably okay to good qualities about GW Bush.

This is pretty inconsequential either way. Nobody experiencing these kind of events are watching CNN press conferences to track a storm. You're watching your local weather or weather channel or monitoring their web site.

and now Trump is getting the NOAA to lie for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDz4_7qXYAAQvJa?format=jpg&name=medium
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Phantom_Nook posted...

and now Trump is getting the NOAA to lie for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDz4_7qXYAAQvJa?format=jpg&name=medium

So a government agency has debunked a #fakenews story and you're not going to trust it because it contradicts the fake news? idk, sounds like you're the one attacking the facts with a sharpie now! And honestly, what's the claim here? That the president just decided to randomly do something of his own volition with no apparent motive? That's your alternative to him getting bad information from another agency?
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Broken_Zeus posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

and now Trump is getting the NOAA to lie for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDz4_7qXYAAQvJa?format=jpg&name=medium

So a government agency has debunked a #fakenews story and you're not going to trust it because it contradicts the fake news? idk, sounds like you're the one attacking the facts with a sharpie now! And honestly, what's the claim here? That the president just decided to randomly do something of his own volition with no apparent motive? That's your alternative to him getting bad information from another agency?

A governmental agency caved to pressure.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Broken_Zeus posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

and now Trump is getting the NOAA to lie for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDz4_7qXYAAQvJa?format=jpg&name=medium

So a government agency has debunked a #fakenews story and you're not going to trust it because it contradicts the fake news? idk, sounds like you're the one attacking the facts with a sharpie now! And honestly, what's the claim here? That the president just decided to randomly do something of his own volition with no apparent motive? That's your alternative to him getting bad information from another agency?

A governmental agency caved to pressure.

#Conspiracy #DorianGate #IWantToBelieve
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Someones favorite flavor is boot apparently

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Broken_Zeus posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Broken_Zeus posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

and now Trump is getting the NOAA to lie for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDz4_7qXYAAQvJa?format=jpg&name=medium

So a government agency has debunked a #fakenews story and you're not going to trust it because it contradicts the fake news? idk, sounds like you're the one attacking the facts with a sharpie now! And honestly, what's the claim here? That the president just decided to randomly do something of his own volition with no apparent motive? That's your alternative to him getting bad information from another agency?

A governmental agency caved to pressure.

#Conspiracy #DorianGate #IWantToBelieve

If you want a conspiracy (currently it is anyways)

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqOQgKIjNDQklTSURvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoTUtFUWpTMmFDY2pvQU1FYkZQTUcyZjlIWENLQUFQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Reminder to despicable liberal cowards that the govt weather service run entirely by libs agreed that Trump was right. Lmfao.
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Broken_Zeus posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

and now Trump is getting the NOAA to lie for him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDz4_7qXYAAQvJa?format=jpg&name=medium

So a government agency has debunked a #fakenews story and you're not going to trust it because it contradicts the fake news? idk, sounds like you're the one attacking the facts with a sharpie now! And honestly, what's the claim here? That the president just decided to randomly do something of his own volition with no apparent motive? That's your alternative to him getting bad information from another agency?

adjl posted...

So... rather than waiting for the NWS to make an actual statement to that effect (which would presumably include actual probabilities and other useful information), he took a sharpie to an existing map so he could prove he wasn't wrong? You're not exactly doing your lord and cheeto any favours there, dude.

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You know, Trump being unable to understand something as simple as a weather forecast is bad. Him refusing to let it go and taking a sharpie to a map to try and fix it is worse. But the worst part about this whole stupid "scandal" are the parade of unrelated adults scrambling to cover for Trump and defend him and insist that this wasn't wrong and a really stupid thing to say to boot.

Like, seriously, the guy was wrong. Just own up to it and we can all move on with our lives. At this point, you are literally arguing that the weather is wrong because Trump said so.
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https://twitter.com/nytclimate/status/1171142655423725569?s=19

BREAKING: The Commerce secretary threatened to fire NOAA officials in a fight over President Trump's incorrect warnings about Alabama and Hurricane Dorian. https://t.co/ewUAzdgHWA

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darkknight109 posted...

You know, Trump being unable to understand something as simple as a weather forecast is bad. Him refusing to let it go and taking a sharpie to a map to try and fix it is worse. But the worst part about this whole stupid "scandal" are the parade of unrelated adults scrambling to cover for Trump and defend him and insist that this wasn't wrong and a really stupid thing to say to boot.

Like, seriously, the guy was wrong. Just own up to it and we can all move on with our lives. At this point, you are literally arguing that the weather is wrong because Trump said so.

Their into deep. Rationale has been replaced by panic.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

https://twitter.com/nytclimate/status/1171142655423725569?s=19

BREAKING: The Commerce secretary threatened to fire NOAA officials in a fight over President Trump's incorrect warnings about Alabama and Hurricane Dorian. https://t.co/ewUAzdgHWA

You know when I saw their response giving Trump slack I thought I might have exaggerated.

It's good to know I wasn't wrong though. That's incredibly in line with Trump, who is in fact an idiot.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

https://twitter.com/nytclimate/status/1171142655423725569?s=19

BREAKING: The Commerce secretary threatened to fire NOAA officials in a fight over President Trump's incorrect warnings about Alabama and Hurricane Dorian. https://t.co/ewUAzdgHWA

I thought we were just supposed to believe the guy who demands loyalty oaths would never do something like this.

The Popo posted...

Mead posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

wait why is this a felony?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2074

Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.

Based on that, Id say he didnt break any laws. Hes just going up there showing off purty pictures. Hell, he didnt know category 5 hurricanes were a thing.

Theyve got to prove that he did it and prove intent. I mean if it went to trial theres a possibility he could lose.
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Yeah Im sure President smart brain used that sharpie accidentally

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Mead posted...

Yeah Im sure President smart brain used that sharpie accidentally

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong. Intent is the hardest thing to prove a lot of the time.
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zebatov posted...

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong.

He still knowingly altered the forecast of the storm and presented it as such, even if he didnt know it was a crime

You can tell when he knows he fucked up because hes always insisting he knows more about everything than anyone but as soon as he gets caught doing something he isnt supposed to its all I dont know, I dont know Im not sure I ever met that person I dont know why the Air Force decided to refuel near my resort

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zebatov posted...

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong.

...He didn't know lying to cover up an earlier mistake was wrong?
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The only way Trump would lose supporters would be if someone hit him in the head and he started acting like a normal human being.

Seriously.
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zebatov posted...

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong.

Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. He intentionally committed an action that is a crime. Whether or not he knew that said action was criminal doesn't change that.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

zebatov posted...

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong.

...He didn't know lying to cover up an earlier mistake was wrong?

I didnt know the whole story. I just understood that he drew on the map to include Georgia when he obviously didnt have proper information.

adjl posted...

zebatov posted...

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong.

Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. He intentionally committed an action that is a crime. Whether or not he knew that said action was criminal doesn't change that.

Proving intent is important for the prosecution. And Im saying this from experience. If he knew it was wrong, it makes it worse for him.

Mead posted...

zebatov posted...

No like he meant to write with a Sharpie but didnt know what he was doing was wrong.

He still knowingly altered the forecast of the storm and presented it as such, even if he didnt know it was a crime

You can tell when he knows he fucked up because hes always insisting he knows more about everything than anyone but as soon as he gets caught doing something he isnt supposed to its all I dont know, I dont know Im not sure I ever met that person I dont know why the Air Force decided to refuel near my resort

Lol. Sounds better than the responses we get from our guy.
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zebatov posted...

Proving intent is important for the prosecution. And Im saying this from experience. If he knew it was wrong, it makes it worse for him.

You've been sued for this?
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zebatov posted...

Proving intent is important for the prosecution

It's pretty hard to accidentally mark up a map with a sharpie and then present it as evidence for a point you're trying to make. The act was very clearly intentional. Ignorance of the law may be a mitigating factor in sentencing, but it does not change that a criminal act was committed.

Of course, it's not like he'll ever actually face these charges in court, because that's just not how these things seem to work, so how easily he could prosecuted is sadly a moot point.
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you won't last a second in Japan, zebatov, ok?
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

zebatov posted...

Proving intent is important for the prosecution. And Im saying this from experience. If he knew it was wrong, it makes it worse for him.

You've been sued for this?

No, this is general court procedure. There was a mistake with my drivers license. When I first lost my current provincial one, I was under the impression that only that license was gone, so I went back to Alberta to get my license, they (actually) gave it to me, which didnt help disprove my belief, and then I got stopped after I had been back in my current province and the cop explained it was Canada-wide. So I hired a lawyer and he explained that they will need to prove three things. Two of which were that I was driving the vehicle, and that I was doing it knowing I wasnt supposed to be.

adjl posted...

zebatov posted...

Proving intent is important for the prosecution

It's pretty hard to accidentally mark up a map with a sharpie and then present it as evidence for a point you're trying to make. The act was very clearly intentional. Ignorance of the law may be a mitigating factor in sentencing, but it does not change that a criminal act was committed.

Of course, it's not like he'll ever actually face these charges in court, because that's just not how these things seem to work, so how easily he could prosecuted is sadly a moot point.

I guess youre not really understanding. Maybe my response to Frnd will help.

ClarkDuke posted...

you won't last a second in Japan, zebatov, ok?

I dont understand what this has to do with the topic, but Ive already been over there, so...
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adjl posted...

The act was very clearly intentional. Ignorance of the law may be a mitigating factor in sentencing, but it does not change that a criminal act was committed.

It can - depends on the specifics of the crime and the jurisdiction. In some cases, ignorance of the law *is* a defence. You have to prove that a person was knowingly and willingly doing something they knew to be wrong. If someone violates the law but was not aware of it and made no attempts to hide it, they lack criminal intent - for some violations, that is sufficient to avoid prosecution.

For instance, if a drug dealer's home is being raided by the police and the dealer starts flushing all the drugs he has down the toilet, he is guilty of obstruction of justice. He is intentionally disposing of incriminating material in an attempt to conceal a crime. On the other hand, if his mother came across some of his drugs, assumed they were expired medication, and flushed them down the toilet as a means of safely getting rid of them, she would not be guilty of a crime in most cases. Even though she is conducting the exact same activity, she lacks criminal intent. Due to a lack of information, she did not realize that she was committing a crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_(criminal_law)

Now, admittedly, that example isn't ignorance of the law, just ignorance of the specifics of the situation. But it can apply to the law too - I'm familiar with examples in contract law and tax law, where if you can show that you made a good faith attempt to follow the law and your ignorance of specific requirements of the law led to a violation, it is typically sufficient to avoid prosecution, and any prosecutor who opts for charges must prove that you knew that what you were doing was a violation of the law.

I'm not a lawyer and I have no idea if it would apply in this specific case, but the old phrase "ignorance is no defence" isn't 100% true.
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You edit your posts often zebatov. In fact a majority of yours are always edited. Another poster does that behavior which is an irregularity around here. Just the two of ya.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

You edit your posts often zebatov. In fact a majority of yours are always edited. Another poster does that behavior which is an irregularity around here. Just the two of ya.

A strange coincidence. But a legitimate one. Usually my first edits are (edit) correcting mistakes, and every subsequent one is to avoid double-posting. Which on most other forums Ive used is against the rules. If youre insinuating that we are one and the same, then the way we talk should give away that we arent the same person.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

You edit your posts often zebatov. In fact a majority of yours are always edited. Another poster does that behavior which is an irregularity around here. Just the two of ya.

with his dozens of old active highly alts, no one would be surprised, ok?
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