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averagejoel 08/31/19 4:58:55 PM #52:	A_A_Battery posted... Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated? sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:926789039] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>A_A_Battery posted...</cite> <quote>Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated?</quote> sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 08/31/19 5:00:47 PM #53:	GamerGate is basically Burn After Reading on a mass scale. --- Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girly scream? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:926789100] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>GamerGate is basically Burn After Reading on a mass scale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/31/19 5:04:05 PM #54:	closetjpopfan posted... coinstarcad posted... Holy Holowka, that guy was GUILTY. Oh, he was "guilty" alright. who's alt --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:926789197] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>closetjpopfan posted...</cite> <quote>coinstarcad posted...</cite> <quote>Holy Holowka, that guy was GUILTY.</quote> Oh, he was "guilty" alright.</quote> who's alt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 08/31/19 5:18:20 PM #55:	averagejoel posted... A_A_Battery posted... Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated? sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place. This right here is the reason why GamerGate took off, people lying and denying about what happened. Yeah, there wasn't a review, but she did have relations with the journalist who wrote an article giving her game the spotlight. People called out Kotaku and the other entities, where they found that she had relations with employees (the 5 Guys) that ended up giving her perks, for conflicts of interests and lack of basic journalistic ethics but gaming media spun it as gamers being misogynistic and attacking an innocent woman. Quinn, the lady in question, has been caught lying and orchestrating scenarios where she's a battered and abused victim and uses the attention to elicit patreon members and scam money within the indie gaming community for YEARS. How the flying ** anyone can believe a word that comes out her mouth knowing her history is beyond me. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:926789732] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>A_A_Battery posted...</cite> <quote>Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated?</quote> sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place.</quote> This right here is the reason why GamerGate took off, people lying and denying about what happened. Yeah, there wasn't a review, but she did have relations with the journalist who wrote an article giving her game the spotlight. People called out Kotaku and the other entities, where they found that she had relations with employees (the 5 Guys) that ended up giving her perks, for conflicts of interests and lack of basic journalistic ethics but gaming media spun it as gamers being misogynistic and attacking an innocent woman. Quinn, the lady in question, has been caught lying and orchestrating scenarios where she's a battered and abused victim and uses the attention to elicit patreon members and scam money within the indie gaming community for YEARS. How the flying ** anyone can believe a word that comes out her mouth knowing her history is beyond me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CRON 08/31/19 5:32:32 PM #56:	Zoe Quinn has now deleted her Twitter. --- ~ (obligatory signature) ~ <cite>CRON posted [p:926790204] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Zoe Quinn has now deleted her Twitter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Matchabuu_ 08/31/19 5:34:52 PM #57:	CRON posted... Zoe Quinn has now deleted her Twitter. Shit, I would too if people were blaming me for someone killing themselves --- uwu SW-0239-3946-8686 <cite>_Matchabuu_ posted [p:926790285] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>CRON posted...</cite> <quote>Zoe Quinn has now deleted her Twitter. </quote> Shit, I would too if people were blaming me for someone killing themselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 08/31/19 5:45:32 PM #58:	Deleted or privated? --- Ryzen 3800x @ 4.3, 32 gig @ 4000, 1070ti, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:926790634] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Deleted or privated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 08/31/19 6:00:01 PM #59:	Sad_Face posted... This right here is the reason why GamerGate took off, people lying and denying about what happened. Yeah, there wasn't a review, but she did have relations with the journalist who wrote an article giving her game the spotlight. People called out Kotaku and the other entities, where they found that she had relations with employees (the 5 Guys) that ended up giving her perks, for conflicts of interests and lack of basic journalistic ethics but gaming media spun it as gamers being misogynistic and attacking an innocent woman. Quinn, the lady in question, has been caught lying and orchestrating scenarios where she's a battered and abused victim and uses the attention to elicit patreon members and scam money within the indie gaming community for YEARS. How the flying ** anyone can believe a word that comes out her mouth knowing her history is beyond me. this post reads like someone who goes to a youtuber for news --- https://i.imgtc.com/tiJ2WDn.jpg <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:926791175] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>This right here is the reason why GamerGate took off, people lying and denying about what happened. Yeah, there wasn't a review, but she did have relations with the journalist who wrote an article giving her game the spotlight. People called out Kotaku and the other entities, where they found that she had relations with employees (the 5 Guys) that ended up giving her perks, for conflicts of interests and lack of basic journalistic ethics but gaming media spun it as gamers being misogynistic and attacking an innocent woman. Quinn, the lady in question, has been caught lying and orchestrating scenarios where she's a battered and abused victim and uses the attention to elicit patreon members and scam money within the indie gaming community for YEARS. How the flying ** anyone can believe a word that comes out her mouth knowing her history is beyond me.</quote> this post reads like someone who goes to a youtuber for news </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 08/31/19 6:00:49 PM #60:	LordFarquad1312 posted... Social media was a mistake, goverments should really restrict access to 18+ of age. That won't stop kids from being on there. My cousins' mother made them Facebook profiles a few years ago despite the fact that they were elementary school children. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:926791208] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted...</cite> <quote>Social media was a mistake, goverments should really restrict access to 18+ of age.</quote> That won't stop kids from being on there. My cousins' mother made them Facebook profiles a few years ago despite the fact that they were elementary school children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 08/31/19 6:06:45 PM #61:	pogo_rabid posted... Deleted or privated? Deleted --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:926791422] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Deleted or privated?</quote> Deleted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 08/31/19 6:07:30 PM #62:	woah --- Ryzen 3800x @ 4.3, 32 gig @ 4000, 1070ti, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:926791465] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>woah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 08/31/19 6:26:01 PM #63:	We need some drama balm for this drama bomb. --- Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girly scream? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:926792133] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>We need some drama balm for this drama bomb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow20201 08/31/19 6:29:58 PM #64:	averagejoel posted... A_A_Battery posted... Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated? sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place. Not that this is likely to change your mind on this but Eron never mentioned reviews or positive coverage. She certainly did get positive coverage by someone who also happened to be included in the credits of her game which was figured out by people after Eron posted his article about Zoe. --- czzzzzzzzzz[]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ 'Sir we are surrounded!' 'Excellent, then we can attack in any direction.' <cite>Shadow20201 posted [p:926792256] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>A_A_Battery posted...</cite> <quote>Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated?</quote> sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place.</quote> Not that this is likely to change your mind on this but Eron never mentioned reviews or positive coverage. She certainly did get positive coverage by someone who also happened to be included in the credits of her game which was figured out by people after Eron posted his article about Zoe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 08/31/19 6:38:08 PM #65:	Nathan Greyson --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:926792532] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Nathan Greyson</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/31/19 7:04:40 PM #66:	gamergate is dumb as fuck. maybe like the stupidest shit that ever happened on the internet and its ruined video game discussion online in its aftermath for years after it petered out and died an ignoble death. but twitter cancel culture is starting to get to that point too --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:926793484] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>gamergate is dumb as fuck. maybe like the stupidest shit that ever happened on the internet and its ruined video game discussion online in its aftermath for years after it petered out and died an ignoble death. but twitter cancel culture is starting to get to that point too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 08/31/19 7:05:59 PM #67:	Cancel culture truly is toxic. Sexual abuse is an abhorrent thing, and people should be made to answer for their crimes. However, this isn't Justice - it's a metaphorical lynching. On the other hand, it's incredibly hard for any sexual assault victims to get a just end, because preponderance of evidence completely favours the accused. In the end, the only people who are happy about this are those ancillary to the entire shitshow: people who hate Zoe Quinn, and people who hate people who hate Zoe Quinn. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:926793541] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Cancel culture truly is toxic. Sexual abuse is an abhorrent thing, and people should be made to answer for their crimes. However, this isn't Justice - it's a metaphorical lynching. On the other hand, it's incredibly hard for any sexual assault victims to get a just end, because preponderance of evidence completely favours the accused. In the end, the only people who are happy about this are those ancillary to the entire shitshow: people who hate Zoe Quinn, and people who hate people who hate Zoe Quinn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CRON 08/31/19 7:10:07 PM #68:	The more I think about it, the more Zoe seems like she's in the wrong. That's not to minimize or reduce the abusive situation she was in, but let's take an objective look at it. I'm assuming Zoe's account is factual. Here's a timeline. - Zoe Quinn becomes involved in a relationship with Alec Holowka; Alec becomes emotionally, verbally and sexually abusive. - Zoe and Alec break up and go their separate ways. - Alec spends multiple years in therapy and counseling, presumably to better himself and correct his behavior. - Alec develops A Night In The Woods and becomes famous for his work - Nathalie Lawhead accuses composer Jeremy Soule of misconduct - On the 5th anniversary of the Gamergate scandal, Zoe Tweets her own account of being in an abusive relationship with Alec Holowkian - Alec Holowkian's sister announces his death, states he was actively involved in therapy and counseling - Zoe deletes her Twitter I can understand wanting to expose someone for being an abuser and a victimizer, but based on what Alec's Sister Tweeted, he seemed to have been aware of his previous behavior, sought therapy for it, and out of nowhere, with a completely unrelated instance of someone accusing someone of misconduct....on the fifth anniversary of a scandal attributed to her, Zoe dug up all the details of Alec's abuse. --- ~ (obligatory signature) ~ <cite>CRON posted [p:926793693] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>The more I think about it, the more Zoe seems like she's in the wrong. That's not to minimize or reduce the abusive situation she was in, but let's take an objective look at it. I'm assuming Zoe's account is factual. Here's a timeline. - Zoe Quinn becomes involved in a relationship with Alec Holowka; Alec becomes emotionally, verbally and sexually abusive. - Zoe and Alec break up and go their separate ways. - Alec spends multiple years in therapy and counseling, presumably to better himself and correct his behavior. - Alec develops A Night In The Woods and becomes famous for his work - Nathalie Lawhead accuses composer Jeremy Soule of misconduct - On the 5th anniversary of the Gamergate scandal, Zoe Tweets her own account of being in an abusive relationship with Alec Holowkian - Alec Holowkian's sister announces his death, states he was actively involved in therapy and counseling - Zoe deletes her Twitter I can understand wanting to expose someone for being an abuser and a victimizer, but based on what Alec's Sister Tweeted, he seemed to have been aware of his previous behavior, sought therapy for it, and out of nowhere, with a completely unrelated instance of someone accusing someone of misconduct....on the fifth anniversary of a scandal attributed to her, Zoe dug up all the details of Alec's abuse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/31/19 7:10:37 PM #69:	ultimate reaver posted... gamergate is dumb as fuck. maybe like the stupidest shit that ever happened on the internet and its ruined video game discussion online in its aftermath for years after it petered out and died an ignoble death. Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926793711] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote>gamergate is dumb as fuck. maybe like the stupidest shit that ever happened on the internet and its ruined video game discussion online in its aftermath for years after it petered out and died an ignoble death. </quote> Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 08/31/19 7:11:22 PM #70:	KStateKing17 posted... LordFarquad1312 posted... Social media was a mistake, goverments should really restrict access to 18+ of age. That won't stop kids from being on there. My cousins' mother made them Facebook profiles a few years ago despite the fact that they were elementary school children. You could say the same about alcohol and tobacco, yet here we are. --- The force is my ally "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:926793740] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>KStateKing17 posted...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted...</cite> <quote>Social media was a mistake, goverments should really restrict access to 18+ of age.</quote> That won't stop kids from being on there. My cousins' mother made them Facebook profiles a few years ago despite the fact that they were elementary school children.</quote> You could say the same about alcohol and tobacco, yet here we are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 08/31/19 7:11:31 PM #71:	Did she go to the police over the whole alleged assault thing or just leave it in the court of public opinion like she did at GamerGate? --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:926793746] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Did she go to the police over the whole alleged assault thing or just leave it in the court of public opinion like she did at GamerGate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 08/31/19 7:11:53 PM #72:	UnfairRepresent posted... Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote Oh, back in the days when we were so innocent as to want standards from gaming journalism. Now we have to worry about the AAA Publishers buttfucking us with microtransactions and loot boxes. Nobody gives a toss about the nepotism in gaming journalism in light of that. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:926793758] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote</quote> Oh, back in the days when we were so innocent as to want standards from gaming journalism. Now we have to worry about the AAA Publishers buttfucking us with microtransactions and loot boxes. Nobody gives a toss about the nepotism in gaming journalism in light of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stallion_Prime 08/31/19 7:14:43 PM #73:	pogo_rabid posted... Deleted or privated? _Matchabuu_ posted... Shit, I would too if people were blaming me for someone killing themselves correct me if im wrong but didnt she accuse before and have it end up being bullshit? --- -Hunter1534 http://abload.de/img/powercdkcb.gif <cite>Stallion_Prime posted [p:926793876] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>Deleted or privated?</quote> _Matchabuu_ posted... </cite> <quote>Shit, I would too if people were blaming me for someone killing themselves</quote> correct me if im wrong but didnt she accuse before and have it end up being bullshit? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 08/31/19 7:16:01 PM #74:	averagejoel posted... A_A_Battery posted... Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated? sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place. Is this the truth? CookieMarvin posted... Sad_Face posted... This right here is the reason why GamerGate took off, people lying and denying about what happened. Yeah, there wasn't a review, but she did have relations with the journalist who wrote an article giving her game the spotlight. People called out Kotaku and the other entities, where they found that she had relations with employees (the 5 Guys) that ended up giving her perks, for conflicts of interests and lack of basic journalistic ethics but gaming media spun it as gamers being misogynistic and attacking an innocent woman. Quinn, the lady in question, has been caught lying and orchestrating scenarios where she's a battered and abused victim and uses the attention to elicit patreon members and scam money within the indie gaming community for YEARS. How the flying ** anyone can believe a word that comes out her mouth knowing her history is beyond me. this post reads like someone who goes to a youtuber for news Or is this? The real sad thing about all of this is how it's all baseless accusations that either side eat up with no proof required. At no point has this ever been to court. It's all just internet drama and people taking the mantra of "anything for a click" a little bit too seriously. --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:926793935] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>A_A_Battery posted...</cite> <quote>Is this related to that idiotic gamergate situation that embarrassed everyone who participated?</quote> sort of GamerGate was a harassment campaign started by Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend, who lied about her sleeping with a game reviewer to get a positive review (a review, by the way, which doesn't even exist). it's part of how she gained prominence online in the first place.</quote> Is this the truth? CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>This right here is the reason why GamerGate took off, people lying and denying about what happened. Yeah, there wasn't a review, but she did have relations with the journalist who wrote an article giving her game the spotlight. People called out Kotaku and the other entities, where they found that she had relations with employees (the 5 Guys) that ended up giving her perks, for conflicts of interests and lack of basic journalistic ethics but gaming media spun it as gamers being misogynistic and attacking an innocent woman. Quinn, the lady in question, has been caught lying and orchestrating scenarios where she's a battered and abused victim and uses the attention to elicit patreon members and scam money within the indie gaming community for YEARS. How the flying ** anyone can believe a word that comes out her mouth knowing her history is beyond me.</quote> this post reads like someone who goes to a youtuber for news </quote> Or is this? The real sad thing about all of this is how it's all baseless accusations that either side eat up with no proof required. At no point has this ever been to court. It's all just internet drama and people taking the mantra of "anything for a click" a little bit too seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Daniel_Jones 08/31/19 7:18:15 PM #75:	You would think a developer like Zoe Quinn who made a video game about understanding depression and suicidal emotions would know enough about how public accusations out of no where can affect those who already have those tendencies conflicting them, but I guess not. --- https://imgtc.ws/i/YqemVuu.png <cite>Daniel_Jones posted [p:926794021] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>You would think a developer like Zoe Quinn who made a video game about understanding depression and suicidal emotions would know enough about how public accusations out of no where can affect those who already have those tendencies conflicting them, but I guess not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yusiko 08/31/19 7:19:22 PM #76:	CookieMarvin posted... this post reads like someone who goes to a youtuber for news i have him tagged as pizza gate which is what i tagged people who thought that hillary clinton ran a pedophile sex ring in the basement of a pizza place that doesnt have a basement --- yusketeer <cite>yusiko posted [p:926794056] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>CookieMarvin posted... </cite> <quote>this post reads like someone who goes to a youtuber for news</quote> i have him tagged as pizza gate which is what i tagged people who thought that hillary clinton ran a pedophile sex ring in the basement of a pizza place that doesnt have a basement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 08/31/19 7:19:44 PM #77:	Crepes posted... Did she go to the police over the whole alleged assault thing nope --- https://i.imgtc.com/eMQvkRJ.png https://i.imgtc.ws/l86HyIt.png <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:926794065] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Crepes posted...</cite> <quote>Did she go to the police over the whole alleged assault thing</quote> nope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/31/19 7:19:48 PM #78:	Alucard188 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote Oh, back in the days when we were so innocent as to want standards from gaming journalism. Now we have to worry about the AAA Publishers buttfucking us with microtransactions and loot boxes. Nobody gives a toss about the nepotism in gaming journalism in light of that. This was some of the stuff Gamergate was talking about. The fact that "Games Journalism" wasn't willing to call out negative press/stories on the AAA games because they needed their support to stay afloat. People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. That's how it got spun by the news outlets but that's because the news outlets had a vested interest in stopping it for the very reasons you're complaining about. Imagine if IGN acted like Jim Sterling? They'd lose 87% of their sponsors inside of 2 months, be blacklisted from all interviews, events etc. No longer get review copies of games --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926794068] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote</quote> Oh, back in the days when we were so innocent as to want standards from gaming journalism. Now we have to worry about the AAA Publishers buttfucking us with microtransactions and loot boxes. Nobody gives a toss about the nepotism in gaming journalism in light of that. </quote> This was some of the stuff Gamergate was talking about. The fact that "Games Journalism" wasn't willing to call out negative press/stories on the AAA games because they needed their support to stay afloat. People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. That's how it got spun by the news outlets but that's because the news outlets had a vested interest in stopping it for the very reasons you're complaining about. Imagine if IGN acted like Jim Sterling? They'd lose 87% of their sponsors inside of 2 months, be blacklisted from all interviews, events etc. No longer get review copies of games</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 08/31/19 7:21:10 PM #79:	UnfairRepresent posted... ultimate reaver posted... gamergate is dumb as fuck. maybe like the stupidest shit that ever happened on the internet and its ruined video game discussion online in its aftermath for years after it petered out and died an ignoble death. Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote Haha way to prove his point. --- Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girly scream? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:926794132] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote>gamergate is dumb as fuck. maybe like the stupidest shit that ever happened on the internet and its ruined video game discussion online in its aftermath for years after it petered out and died an ignoble death. </quote> Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote</quote> Haha way to prove his point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 08/31/19 7:22:10 PM #80:	UnfairRepresent posted... Alucard188 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote Oh, back in the days when we were so innocent as to want standards from gaming journalism. Now we have to worry about the AAA Publishers buttfucking us with microtransactions and loot boxes. Nobody gives a toss about the nepotism in gaming journalism in light of that. This was some of the stuff Gamergate was talking about. The fact that "Games Journalism" wasn't willing to call out negative press/stories on the AAA games because they needed their support to stay afloat. People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. That's how it got spun by the news outlets but that's because the news outlets had a vested interest in stopping it for the very reasons you're complaining about. Imagine if IGN acted like Jim Sterling? They'd lose 87% of their sponsors inside of 2 months, be blacklisted from all interviews, events etc. No longer get review copies of games Eh...bit of both. I mean, I was sympathetic to Gamergate, but I'm not going to deny they were pretty solidly anti-feminist. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:926794171] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah how dare gamers expect standards and want to expose corruption. Next thing you know they'll want the vote</quote> Oh, back in the days when we were so innocent as to want standards from gaming journalism. Now we have to worry about the AAA Publishers buttfucking us with microtransactions and loot boxes. Nobody gives a toss about the nepotism in gaming journalism in light of that. </quote> This was some of the stuff Gamergate was talking about. The fact that "Games Journalism" wasn't willing to call out negative press/stories on the AAA games because they needed their support to stay afloat. People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. That's how it got spun by the news outlets but that's because the news outlets had a vested interest in stopping it for the very reasons you're complaining about. Imagine if IGN acted like Jim Sterling? They'd lose 87% of their sponsors inside of 2 months, be blacklisted from all interviews, events etc. No longer get review copies of games</quote> Eh...bit of both. I mean, I was sympathetic to Gamergate, but I'm not going to deny they were pretty solidly anti-feminist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yusiko 08/31/19 7:22:34 PM #81:	UnfairRepresent posted... People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. ok unfair explain to me what the fuck felicia day has to do with gaming journalism? she is an actress whose only crime was liking video games while having a vagina which was all gamergate needed to send her death and rape threats as well as posting her home address online as if to say "someone follow through on the threats" --- yusketeer <cite>yusiko posted [p:926794188] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying.</quote> ok unfair explain to me what the fuck felicia day has to do with gaming journalism? she is an actress whose only crime was liking video games while having a vagina which was all gamergate needed to send her death and rape threats as well as posting her home address online as if to say "someone follow through on the threats" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Daniel_Jones 08/31/19 7:24:58 PM #82:	yusiko posted... UnfairRepresent posted... People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. ok unfair explain to me what the fuck felicia day has to do with gaming journalism? she is an actress whose only crime was liking video games while having a vagina which was all gamergate needed to send her death and rape threats as well as posting her home address online as if to say "someone follow through on the threats" Movements get hijacked. I'm sure Unfair was talking about the original point of GG and those who were trying to steer it back to that. --- https://imgtc.ws/i/YqemVuu.png <cite>Daniel_Jones posted [p:926794285] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying.</quote> ok unfair explain to me what the fuck felicia day has to do with gaming journalism? she is an actress whose only crime was liking video games while having a vagina which was all gamergate needed to send her death and rape threats as well as posting her home address online as if to say "someone follow through on the threats" </quote> Movements get hijacked. I'm sure Unfair was talking about the original point of GG and those who were trying to steer it back to that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 08/31/19 7:25:05 PM #83:	Esrac posted... I mean, I was sympathetic to Gamergate, but I'm not going to deny they were pretty solidly anti-feminist. We should have ethics in games journalism. We should have reasonable expectations that are met by publishers, and if they aren't, then should be met with factual losses. It's easy to ignore the push for it when it's spearheaded by idiots like The Quartering, who has wasted no time in making clickbait vitriol articles about Zoe Quinn. It's incredible that she's a pariah and a messiah in the same vein. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:926794293] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, I was sympathetic to Gamergate, but I'm not going to deny they were pretty solidly anti-feminist.</quote> We should have ethics in games journalism. We should have reasonable expectations that are met by publishers, and if they aren't, then should be met with factual losses. It's easy to ignore the push for it when it's spearheaded by idiots like The Quartering, who has wasted no time in making clickbait vitriol articles about Zoe Quinn. It's incredible that she's a pariah and a messiah in the same vein. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/31/19 7:26:03 PM #84:	Freddie_Mercury posted... Godnorgosh posted... What was he accused of, exactly? https://www.newsweek.com/zoe-quinn-accuses-night-woods-game-developer-ex-partner-alec-holowka-harassment-abuse-1456452 What the fuck, Quinn uses someone else speaking how about being raped to get herself back into the spot light . If this was the first time she ever talked about issues like this it would be one thing, but she has been publicly open about harassment before. But she piggie backs off of someone else's story. This seems as calculating as fuck. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:926794332] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Freddie_Mercury posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>What was he accused of, exactly?</quote> https://www.newsweek.com/zoe-quinn-accuses-night-woods-game-developer-ex-partner-alec-holowka-harassment-abuse-1456452</quote> What the fuck, Quinn uses someone else speaking how about being raped to get herself back into the spot light . If this was the first time she ever talked about issues like this it would be one thing, but she has been publicly open about harassment before. But she piggie backs off of someone else's story. This seems as calculating as fuck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yusiko 08/31/19 7:26:29 PM #85:	Daniel_Jones posted... Movements get hijacked. I'm sure Unfair was talking about the original point of GG and those who were trying to steer it back to that. but the original point of GG was literally just a group of assholes on 4chan wanting to see if they could get zoe quinn to kill herself this is something well known by this point --- yusketeer <cite>yusiko posted [p:926794342] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Daniel_Jones posted... </cite> <quote>Movements get hijacked. I'm sure Unfair was talking about the original point of GG and those who were trying to steer it back to that.</quote> but the original point of GG was literally just a group of assholes on 4chan wanting to see if they could get zoe quinn to kill herself this is something well known by this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 08/31/19 7:26:51 PM #86:	The Quarting has nothing to do with Gamergate. In fact i'm pretty certain it's been dead for like 3 years according to everyone I know who was on the pro side. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:926794364] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>The Quarting has nothing to do with Gamergate. In fact i'm pretty certain it's been dead for like 3 years according to everyone I know who was on the pro side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 08/31/19 7:27:40 PM #87:	yusiko posted... but the original point of GG was literally just a group of assholes on 4chan wanting to see if they could get zoe quinn to kill herself this is something well known by this point and yet you are the only one who is saying this. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:926794395] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>but the original point of GG was literally just a group of assholes on 4chan wanting to see if they could get zoe quinn to kill herself this is something well known by this point </quote> and yet you are the only one who is saying this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D_Fen_Door 08/31/19 7:28:14 PM #88:	Alucard188 posted... Esrac posted... I mean, I was sympathetic to Gamergate, but I'm not going to deny they were pretty solidly anti-feminist. We should have ethics in games journalism. We should have reasonable expectations that are met by publishers, and if they aren't, then should be met with factual losses. It's easy to ignore the push for it when it's spearheaded by idiots like The Quartering, who has wasted no time in making clickbait vitriol articles about Zoe Quinn. It's incredible that she's a pariah and a messiah in the same vein. Thequartering, why you have to mention him when I had all but completely forgotten his sordid existence. <cite>D_Fen_Door posted [p:926794420] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, I was sympathetic to Gamergate, but I'm not going to deny they were pretty solidly anti-feminist.</quote> We should have ethics in games journalism. We should have reasonable expectations that are met by publishers, and if they aren't, then should be met with factual losses. It's easy to ignore the push for it when it's spearheaded by idiots like The Quartering, who has wasted no time in making clickbait vitriol articles about Zoe Quinn. It's incredible that she's a pariah and a messiah in the same vein. </quote> Thequartering, why you have to mention him when I had all but completely forgotten his sordid existence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 08/31/19 7:28:38 PM #89:	gamergate has been dead since, like, 2016? maybe even longer. if there's anybody right now saying it's alive, it's either people that were directly involved with it in some major way (like quinn), or so called "watchdogs" that still make gamergate threads online. --- "Tried to point my finger, but the wind was blowing me around in circles, circles." <cite>EverDownward posted [p:926794440] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>gamergate has been dead since, like, 2016? maybe even longer. if there's anybody right now saying it's alive, it's either people that were directly involved with it in some major way (like quinn), or so called "watchdogs" that still make gamergate threads online.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D_Fen_Door 08/31/19 7:30:37 PM #90:	Banana_Cyanide posted... The Quarting has nothing to do with Gamergate. In fact i'm pretty certain it's been dead for like 3 years according to everyone I know who was on the pro side. Hes just the type to get involved with that sort of thing though, being an e-bully who loves harassing women but also playing the crying victim at the same time. Dudes wife should leave him asap because hes an incel. <cite>D_Fen_Door posted [p:926794501] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>The Quarting has nothing to do with Gamergate. In fact i'm pretty certain it's been dead for like 3 years according to everyone I know who was on the pro side.</quote> Hes just the type to get involved with that sort of thing though, being an e-bully who loves harassing women but also playing the crying victim at the same time. Dudes wife should leave him asap because hes an incel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 08/31/19 7:31:08 PM #91:	D_Fen_Door posted... Thequartering, why you have to mention him when I had all but completely forgotten his sordid existence. I still run across people who parrot that bullshit in the queue. I did a quick search of Zoe Quinn on Twitter today for contextual information, and I see him bleating all about it. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:926794527] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>D_Fen_Door posted... </cite> <quote>Thequartering, why you have to mention him when I had all but completely forgotten his sordid existence.</quote> I still run across people who parrot that bullshit in the queue. I did a quick search of Zoe Quinn on Twitter today for contextual information, and I see him bleating all about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/31/19 7:31:49 PM #92:	yusiko posted... UnfairRepresent posted... People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying. ok unfair explain to me what the fuck felicia day has to do with gaming journalism? she is an actress whose only crime was liking video games while having a vagina which was all gamergate needed to send her death and rape threats as well as posting her home address online as if to say "someone follow through on the threats" By "gamergate" you mean "some asshole" You can take down any group of any kind with that logic. Go to any popular youtube video right now and you'll find death threats and idiocy in the comment section. There have been murderers and rapists who are registered Republicans and Democrats. So by your logic is "We should rape and murder" the purpose of the Republican and Democrat party? and if so why can't they get along? Christ I've recieved death threats on this very message board. That's such a dumb way to handwave anything. Name 1 thing you like or one group you are apart of that has over 12 people in it and I garantee you'll find assholes. Also Day was awful in Dragon Age 2's DLC. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926794552] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>People who think Gamergate was about femminists either intentionally or unintentionally didn't bother to listen to what anyone was saying.</quote> ok unfair explain to me what the fuck felicia day has to do with gaming journalism? she is an actress whose only crime was liking video games while having a vagina which was all gamergate needed to send her death and rape threats as well as posting her home address online as if to say "someone follow through on the threats" </quote> By "gamergate" you mean "some asshole" You can take down any group of any kind with that logic. Go to any popular youtube video right now and you'll find death threats and idiocy in the comment section. There have been murderers and rapists who are registered Republicans and Democrats. So by your logic is "We should rape and murder" the purpose of the Republican and Democrat party? and if so why can't they get along? Christ I've recieved death threats on this very message board. That's such a dumb way to handwave anything. Name 1 thing you like or one group you are apart of that has over 12 people in it and I garantee you'll find assholes. Also Day was awful in Dragon Age 2's DLC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/31/19 7:32:31 PM #93:	Alucard188 posted... We should have ethics in games journalism. We should have reasonable expectations that are met by publishers, and if they aren't, then should be met with factual losses. It's easy to ignore the push for it when it's spearheaded by idiots like The Quartering, who has wasted no time in making clickbait vitriol articles about Zoe Quinn. It's incredible that she's a pariah and a messiah in the same vein. Gamergate was not about ethics in journalism in any way beyond the very early sections of it. It was immediately co-opted as as right wing movement by multiple different entities and there was little or no vetting done by the people who actually cared about the central cause, so it became about women and minorities in games, in addition to reacting to people getting mad about the stupid shit gamergate was doing There's a reason why you can look at most anywhere that used to be gamergate bastions in their heyday like KiA and all that's left in them is ranting about sjws and women or whatever else; that's all it became and all the reasonable people either left or were indoctrinated --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:926794580] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite> <quote>We should have ethics in games journalism. We should have reasonable expectations that are met by publishers, and if they aren't, then should be met with factual losses. It's easy to ignore the push for it when it's spearheaded by idiots like The Quartering, who has wasted no time in making clickbait vitriol articles about Zoe Quinn. It's incredible that she's a pariah and a messiah in the same vein.</quote> Gamergate was not about ethics in journalism in any way beyond the very early sections of it. It was immediately co-opted as as right wing movement by multiple different entities and there was little or no vetting done by the people who actually cared about the central cause, so it became about women and minorities in games, in addition to reacting to people getting mad about the stupid shit gamergate was doing There's a reason why you can look at most anywhere that used to be gamergate bastions in their heyday like KiA and all that's left in them is ranting about sjws and women or whatever else; that's all it became and all the reasonable people either left or were indoctrinated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/31/19 7:33:14 PM #94:	Christ Angry Joe got death and rape threats when he annouced he was going to cut back on his video output. And he's an ugly man. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926794611] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Christ Angry Joe got death and rape threats when he annouced he was going to cut back on his video output. And he's an ugly man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 08/31/19 7:34:25 PM #95:	D_Fen_Door posted... Hes just the type to get involved with that sort of thing though, being an e-bully who loves harassing women but also playing the crying victim at the same time. Dudes wife should leave him asap because hes an incel. >Married >Incel Pick one! Also I'm pretty certain he never harassed anyone and I used to follow him on twitter until recently because he's quickly becoming very arrogant like Billy D did before he completely destroyed his reputation over MK11. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:926794652] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>D_Fen_Door posted...</cite> <quote>Hes just the type to get involved with that sort of thing though, being an e-bully who loves harassing women but also playing the crying victim at the same time. Dudes wife should leave him asap because hes an incel.</quote> >Married >Incel Pick one! Also I'm pretty certain he never harassed anyone and I used to follow him on twitter until recently because he's quickly becoming very arrogant like Billy D did before he completely destroyed his reputation over MK11.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D_Fen_Door 08/31/19 7:39:00 PM #96:	Banana_Cyanide posted... D_Fen_Door posted... Hes just the type to get involved with that sort of thing though, being an e-bully who loves harassing women but also playing the crying victim at the same time. Dudes wife should leave him asap because hes an incel. >Married >Incel Pick one! Also I'm pretty certain he never harassed anyone and I used to follow him on twitter until recently because he's quickly becoming very arrogant like Billy D did before he completely destroyed his reputation of MK11. Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology. He harassed that one cosplay girl then got banned and started crying about it. He defended himself so much yet whenever he or anyone else showed footage of him talking about her, he was a complete arse going on and on non-stop about how shes a w word, b word, etc. Toxic as all hell then plays the victim, and I say this as someone who is against the promiscuity the girl in question was a part of. Doesnt excuse his bullying then being bewildered when consequences hit... not that he doesnt use them to profiteer off his fanbase. <cite>D_Fen_Door posted [p:926794835] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>D_Fen_Door posted...</cite> <quote>Hes just the type to get involved with that sort of thing though, being an e-bully who loves harassing women but also playing the crying victim at the same time. Dudes wife should leave him asap because hes an incel.</quote> >Married >Incel Pick one! Also I'm pretty certain he never harassed anyone and I used to follow him on twitter until recently because he's quickly becoming very arrogant like Billy D did before he completely destroyed his reputation of MK11.</quote> Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology. He harassed that one cosplay girl then got banned and started crying about it. He defended himself so much yet whenever he or anyone else showed footage of him talking about her, he was a complete arse going on and on non-stop about how shes a w word, b word, etc. Toxic as all hell then plays the victim, and I say this as someone who is against the promiscuity the girl in question was a part of. Doesnt excuse his bullying then being bewildered when consequences hit... not that he doesnt use them to profiteer off his fanbase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Apocalyptic 08/31/19 7:49:24 PM #97:	Stallion_Prime posted... pogo_rabid posted... Deleted or privated? _Matchabuu_ posted... Shit, I would too if people were blaming me for someone killing themselves correct me if im wrong but didnt she accuse before and have it end up being bullshit? Shes a known liar who cant even stay consistent in her lies. --- ... <cite>Apocalyptic posted [p:926795282] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Stallion_Prime posted...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>Deleted or privated?</quote> _Matchabuu_ posted... </cite> <quote>Shit, I would too if people were blaming me for someone killing themselves</quote> correct me if im wrong but didnt she accuse before and have it end up being bullshit? </quote> Shes a known liar who cant even stay consistent in her lies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 08/31/19 7:56:43 PM #98:	D_Fen_Door posted... Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology. Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:926795589] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>D_Fen_Door posted...</cite> <quote>Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology.</quote> Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 08/31/19 7:57:22 PM #99:	Remember when Sargon tried to propose a Gamergate 2.0 and Metokur and Ethan Ralph laughed at him? That was funny. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:926795616] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Remember when Sargon tried to propose a Gamergate 2.0 and Metokur and Ethan Ralph laughed at him? That was funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D_Fen_Door 08/31/19 7:57:32 PM #100:	Banana_Cyanide posted... D_Fen_Door posted... Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology. Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit. You ever make a cake and not eaten from it? <cite>D_Fen_Door posted [p:926795624] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>D_Fen_Door posted...</cite> <quote>Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology.</quote> Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit.</quote> You ever make a cake and not eaten from it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 08/31/19 7:58:44 PM #101:	Banana_Cyanide posted... D_Fen_Door posted... Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology. Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit. Some people are trying to reframe being an incel from being involuntarily celibate into some quasi-idealogy. Because they like to mock socially maladjusted men who are involuntarily virgins for being virgins. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:926795669] in Game devel... [t:77977549]...</cite> <quote>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>D_Fen_Door posted...</cite> <quote>Hes an incel, marriage doesnt change his ideology.</quote> Okay this sounds like some serious "have your cake and eat it to" bullshit.</quote> Some people are trying to reframe being an incel from being involuntarily celibate into some quasi-idealogy. Because they like to mock socially maladjusted men who are involuntarily virgins for being virgins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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