Current Events > Star Wars Prequel Trilogy has better characters, music, and storyline

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

That's a good way to put it. See I actually liked TLJ and TFA, but only after I accepted that the ST takes place in an sort of alternate universe.

Srs it helped me enjoy those films when they're detached. Because they really do seem like spin offs.

Spin offs...featuring the main cast of the original films and playing important roles

In a story not by the same person who did the first two trilogies.

Thank GOD

The problem wasn't the story, it was the execution. Disney could have handled the direction and writing. Lucas stay on as creative consultant.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

He's essentially Boba Fett of PT. Hes there to look cool. He gets some actual character in the cgi cartoons but idk if that counts. That's like saying Greivous is bad ass even though that only happens in a cartoon.

And the ST has Phasma lol

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Jiek_Fafn posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

He's essentially Boba Fett of PT. Hes there to look cool. He gets some actual character in the cgi cartoons but idk if that counts. That's like saying Greivous is bad ass even though that only happens in a cartoon.

And the ST has Phasma lol

Phasma was only named that because Bad Robot was doing the remaster of Phantasm at the time.
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I'd say yes to all four.

Lots of prequel characters are intriguing to the point where I want to know more about them and see solo stuff, don't really have that for the sequel characters.

Sequel trilogy has really no memorable themes, and I would say that's a big reason it is doing worse. Music is really important for a series, especially one like Star Wars where it had great music throughout.

I like the overall storyline more, and I'm one of the few people that likes the political scenes, Sheev's manipulations slowly putting him on top is great, configuring wars to benefit him, putting people like Jar Jar up so he would get elected.

And complain about prequel fights all you want, but that throne room scene is a complete mess choreography wise.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

I'd say yes to all four.

Lots of prequel characters are intriguing to the point where I want to know more about them and see solo stuff, don't really have that for the sequel characters.

Sequel trilogy has really no memorable themes, and I would say that's a big reason it is doing worse. Music is really important for a series, especially one like Star Wars where it had great music throughout.

I like the overall storyline more, and I'm one of the few people that likes the political scenes, Sheev's manipulations slowly putting him on top is great, configuring wars to benefit him, putting people like Jar Jar up so he would get elected.

And complain about prequel fights all you want, but that throne room scene is a complete mess choreography wise.

That's how I feel. I was actually hoping for some politics in the ST. Like how the New republic is doing after Leia helped rebuild it. Also the consequences of citizens finding out their princess and rebel leader was daughter of the guy they were fighting.

The prequal trilogy was bad, but it certainly had the potential to be good if only the writing and script wasn't so damn terrible.

The clone wars series thankfully saved it though as the world, characters, and story unlike the sequal trilogy had that much story potential. As theres little it can do story wise you could just do in the OT, or PT trilogy and then some on top of having a greater pool of characters and lore to work with.

This is why the best premise for the ST they can come up with is crap like resistance, which is just a discount rebels in every way.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

In a story not by the same person who did the first two trilogies.

Thank GOD

The problem wasn't the story, it was the execution. Disney could have handled the direction and writing. Lucas stay on as creative consultant.

The problem is absolutely the story. It makes no god damn fucking sense.

The rebels at the end of Return of the Jedi and yet 29 years later nothing has changed. First off how does the "New Order" even exist? Like no one gives a shit that the Empire 2.0 has come to power? The people running the damn New Republic would have been the same people who fought the Empire and brought it back 30 years ago. They would know what happens when you let organizations like this rise up. Yet they do nothing. At all. I mean seriously, it's just a small band of resistance fighters while the New Republic doesn't give a fuck that the Empire has reformed.

Then there's the fact that Starkiller Base is just absurd. It took almost 20 years and millions of slaves to build the Death Star which was the size of a small moon. SB they said is what? A 100 times bigger? A 1000? It would be impossible to build in that time frame following Jedi. Not to mention the manpower needed would actually be impossible to gather. Furthermore there is absolutely no way the New Republic wouldn't find out about this long long before its completed, and yet again, they don't give a fuck.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, The Force Awakens is what you would get if you let a ten year old write a Star Wars movie. The Last Jedi is what you would get if you let someone who got a lobotomy write a Star Wars movie.
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Gamerguymass posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

In a story not by the same person who did the first two trilogies.

Thank GOD

The problem wasn't the story, it was the execution. Disney could have handled the direction and writing. Lucas stay on as creative consultant.

The problem is absolutely the story. It makes no god damn fucking sense.

The rebels at the end of Return of the Jedi and yet 29 years later nothing has changed. First off how does the "New Order" even exist? Like no one gives a shit that the Empire 2.0 has come to power? The people running the damn New Republic would have been the same people who fought the Empire and brought it back 30 years ago. They would know what happens when you let organizations like this rise up. Yet they do nothing. At all. I mean seriously, it's just a small band of resistance fighters while the New Republic doesn't give a fuck that the Empire has reformed.

Then there's the fact that Starkiller Base is just absurd. It took almost 20 years and millions of slaves to build the Death Star which was the size of a small moon. SB they said is what? A 100 times bigger? A 1000? It would be impossible to build in that time frame following Jedi. Not to mention the manpower needed would actually be impossible to gather. Furthermore there is absolutely no way the New Republic wouldn't find out about this long long before its completed, and yet again, they don't give a fuck.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, The Force Awakens is what you would get if you let a ten year old write a Star Wars movie. The Last Jedi is what you would get if you let someone who got a lobotomy write a Star Wars movie.

Yo who you replying to because I was talking about the PT

FL81 posted...

The prequels have better music and fight choreography, but that's about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw" data-time="
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EliteGuard99 posted...

FL81 posted...

The prequels have better music and fight choreography, but that's about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw" data-time="

Obviously the choreography isn't without flaws. Are you honestly trying to say the sequel trilogy has any less? TLJ saving grace, the throne room scene, is probably even worse then TPM when comes to the criticisms you're trying to point out.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it. It's quite nice to look at, but it's not believable in the slightest. Compared to the more realistic duel we got at the end of TFA, it's not nearly as fun to watch.
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Prismsblade posted...

The prequal trilogy was bad, but it certainly had the potential to be good if only the writing and script wasn't so damn terrible.

The clone wars series thankfully saved it though as the world, characters, and story unlike the sequal trilogy had that much story potential. As theres little it can do story wise you could just do in the OT, or PT trilogy and then some on top of having a greater pool of characters and lore to work with.

This is why the best premise for the ST they can come up with is crap like resistance, which is just a discount rebels in every way.

The Clone Wars doubled-down on one of the biggest problems of the Prequel Trilogy - in order to explain away a bunch of new characters central to the plot that nobody ever talks about in the Oridge Tridge, they introduce SIGNIFICANTLY MORE new characters central to the plot in the series that nobody even mentioned in RotS.
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This poll needs to be remembered so all the ST defenders see that most people think the PT is far better.
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Offworlder1 posted...

This poll needs to be remembered so all the ST defenders see that most people think the PT is far better.

1) its painfully obvious that the poll isnt IP locked.

And

2) this board is a haven for trolls and the alt-right.
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Malfunction posted...

The culture wars have melted peoples brains so much they think the prequels are good now actually

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EliteGuard99 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This poll needs to be remembered so all the ST defenders see that most people think the PT is far better.

1) its painfully obvious that the poll isnt IP locked.

And

2) this board is a haven for trolls and the alt-right.

3) the poll isn't about the overall quality of the films so it's quite reasonable to actually vote for the PT in this case
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Gurifisu posted...

EliteGuard99 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This poll needs to be remembered so all the ST defenders see that most people think the PT is far better.

1) its painfully obvious that the poll isnt IP locked.

And

2) this board is a haven for trolls and the alt-right.

3) the poll isn't about the overall quality of the films so it's quite reasonable to actually vote for the PT in this case

we are talking about:
Character
acting
soundtrack
plot
writing
pacing

And we aren't talking about the overall quality of the films?

Are you fucking kidding with this disingenuous bullshit?
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EliteGuard99 posted...

Gurifisu posted...

EliteGuard99 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This poll needs to be remembered so all the ST defenders see that most people think the PT is far better.

1) its painfully obvious that the poll isnt IP locked.

And

2) this board is a haven for trolls and the alt-right.

3) the poll isn't about the overall quality of the films so it's quite reasonable to actually vote for the PT in this case

we are talking about:
Character
acting
soundtrack
plot
writing
pacing

And we aren't talking about the overall quality of the films?

Are you fucking kidding with this disingenuous bullshit?

*Reads the topic title*

Uhhhhhhhhhh
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EliteGuard99 posted...

Gurifisu posted...

EliteGuard99 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This poll needs to be remembered so all the ST defenders see that most people think the PT is far better.

1) its painfully obvious that the poll isnt IP locked.

And

2) this board is a haven for trolls and the alt-right.

3) the poll isn't about the overall quality of the films so it's quite reasonable to actually vote for the PT in this case

we are talking about:
Character
acting
soundtrack
plot
writing
pacing

And we aren't talking about the overall quality of the films?

Are you fucking kidding with this disingenuous bullshit?

Nah just the characters, music, storyline. And lightsaber scenes.

Check post #55

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I'm not talking about dialogue. We all know how the Prequel Trilogy can be in that aspect. Regardless, the PT is far more quotable than the Sequel Trilogy, but I digress.

PT produced iconic characters, memorable music, and gave fans a storyline they've been waiting decades to see. Although it was executed poorly, at least the prequels feels more a part of the Star Wars universe than the sequels.

Move them goal posts people.
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EliteGuard99 posted...

Move them goal posts people.

Gurifisu posted...

*Reads the topic title*

Uhhhhhhhhhh

EliteGuard99 posted...

Move them goal posts people.

You mean do what you're doing?
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Gurifisu posted...

EliteGuard99 posted...

Move them goal posts people.

You mean do what you're doing?

Whatever you little kids can idolize a crappy trilogy of science fiction films that fails in every aspect of film there is all you want. But know that your little bubble here doesn't translate to the real world, the PT is reviled by almost everyone. Your little poll isn't going to change that.
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EliteGuard99 posted...

Gurifisu posted...

EliteGuard99 posted...

Move them goal posts people.

You mean do what you're doing?

Whatever you little kids can idolize a crappy trilogy of science fiction films that fails in every aspect of film there is all you want. But know that your little bubble here doesn't translate to the real world, the PT is reviled by almost everyone. Your little poll isn't going to change that.

EliteGuard99 posted...

Move them goal posts people.

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The music is the only thing I'd give the PT. But I've never listened to Duel of the Fates casually, whereas Rey's Theme...

The problem is I don't remember it as much from the movies themselves.
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For the record, the prequel trilogy has one of my most hated movies of all time. I will never defend Attack of the Clones. That movie haunts me to this day. The only movie I hate from the ST is The Last Jedi and even that is better than AotC. So you can stop deflecting by shitting on the prequels. I agree with you. As overall films, the ST is better.

I'm in the camp of people that believes Disney saved Star Wars.

But when it comes to the question at hand. The one actually posed in the title and OP... Not the question you made up in your head, I prefer what the prequels brought to the table.
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Gamerguymass posted...

The rebels at the end of Return of the Jedi and yet 29 years later nothing has changed. First off how does the "New Order" even exist? Like no one gives a s*** that the Empire 2.0 has come to power? The people running the damn New Republic would have been the same people who fought the Empire and brought it back 30 years ago. They would know what happens when you let organizations like this rise up. Yet they do nothing. At all. I mean seriously, it's just a small band of resistance fighters while the New Republic doesn't give a f*** that the Empire has reformed.

There are plenty of potential explanations. FO built up in secret, NR was just incompetent, you know, all the ways it happened in the PT.

Now if you want to argue we should be shown this, I don't necessarily disageee, but you really can't say it doesn't make sense if you won't spend two seconds to think about it.

But yeah, SKB was stupid af for sure.
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DevsBro posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

The rebels at the end of Return of the Jedi and yet 29 years later nothing has changed. First off how does the "New Order" even exist? Like no one gives a s*** that the Empire 2.0 has come to power? The people running the damn New Republic would have been the same people who fought the Empire and brought it back 30 years ago. They would know what happens when you let organizations like this rise up. Yet they do nothing. At all. I mean seriously, it's just a small band of resistance fighters while the New Republic doesn't give a f*** that the Empire has reformed.

There are plenty of potential explanations. FO built up in secret, NR was just incompetent, you know, all the ways it happened in the PT.

Now if you want to argue we should be shown this, I don't necessarily disageee, but you really can't say it doesn't make sense if you won't spend two seconds to think about it.

But yeah, SKB was stupid af for sure.

EAs Battlefront 2 promised us a campaign mode from the perspective of the collapsing Empire. I was so hyped since they said they were going to go into more details of the Battle of Jakku and touch on the rise of The First Order. Those who played it know what a disappointment that turned out to be.
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DevsBro posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

The rebels at the end of Return of the Jedi and yet 29 years later nothing has changed. First off how does the "New Order" even exist? Like no one gives a s*** that the Empire 2.0 has come to power? The people running the damn New Republic would have been the same people who fought the Empire and brought it back 30 years ago. They would know what happens when you let organizations like this rise up. Yet they do nothing. At all. I mean seriously, it's just a small band of resistance fighters while the New Republic doesn't give a f*** that the Empire has reformed.

There are plenty of potential explanations. FO built up in secret, NR was just incompetent, you know, all the ways it happened in the PT.

Now if you want to argue we should be shown this, I don't necessarily disageee, but you really can't say it doesn't make sense if you won't spend two seconds to think about it.

But yeah, SKB was stupid af for sure.

I'd like to discuss other explanations because the ones you presented are kinda whack.

Like how can a planet sized space station be built in secret? The emperor didn't get his moon sized space station until after he took over the galaxy.

The New Republic had to be really incompetent to miss something that huge in the 30+ years since the fall of the Empire. This means they didn't plan for Empire loyalists and seek them out like Order 66.

Which brings us back to the fact Luke failed at returning the Jedi to the galaxy. He represented the hope for the future and we never got to see that take place. And Luke couldn't sense a disturbance and/or didn't act on it.

Even Mark Hamill knew this wasn't consistent with the storyline.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Like how can a planet sized space station be built in secret?

space is very big
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SailorGoon posted...

EliteGuard99 posted...

FL81 posted...

The prequels have better music and fight choreography, but that's about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw" data-time="

Obviously the choreography isn't without flaws. Are you honestly trying to say the sequel trilogy has any less? TLJ saving grace, the throne room scene, is probably even worse then TPM when comes to the criticisms you're trying to point out.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it. It's quite nice to look at, but it's not believable in the slightest. Compared to the more realistic duel we got at the end of TFA, it's not nearly as fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LMZk0QC3CE" data-time="

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DzdKUOiwc" data-time="

Now one thing I do love about the PT is killer worldbuilding.

The double-bladed lightsaber, Coruscant, Naboo, the new droids, the new ships, Iradorians, all very welcome additions.

ST has a few new things but nothing so extensive or fundamental.
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DevsBro posted...

Now one thing I do love about the PT is killer worldbuilding.

The double-bladed lightsaber, Coruscant, Naboo, the new droids, the new ships, Iradorians, all very welcome additions.

ST has a few new things but nothing so extensive or fundamental.

Which is why I beleive Disney should have completed George Lucas' vision instead of doing whatever they thought fans wanted.

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Last Jedi
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3. Attack of the Clones
4. The Phantom Menace
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5. The Force Awakens
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ledbowman posted...

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Last Jedi
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3. Attack of the Clones
4. The Phantom Menace
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5. The Force Awakens

What is this

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

ledbowman posted...

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Last Jedi
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3. Attack of the Clones
4. The Phantom Menace
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5. The Force Awakens

What is this

The tiers I would call very good, good, and passable
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

ledbowman posted...

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Last Jedi
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3. Attack of the Clones
4. The Phantom Menace
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5. The Force Awakens

What is this

a doofus list
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I only liked TFA after watching TLJ. And I only liked TLJ after convincing myself that the ST will never be what I wanted it to be.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I only liked TFA after watching TLJ. And I only liked TLJ after convincing myself that the ST will never be what I wanted it to be.

For me, TLJ justified the existence of TFA
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Its all around better.
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ledbowman posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I only liked TFA after watching TLJ. And I only liked TLJ after convincing myself that the ST will never be what I wanted it to be.

For me, TLJ justified the existence of TFA

When I first watched TFA it was a disappointment. TLJ made me appreciate it more.

This is an example of what I meant by the OT and PT at least feeling like they are part of the same story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN74bOubUug" data-time="

Can't do that with the ST

The pod racing scene alone is better than anything in nu-Star Wars.

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Kolibri X posted...

The pod racing scene alone is better than anything in nu-Star Wars.

Regardless of how people felt about the length of that scene, it really was adrenaline fueled fun.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Kolibri X posted...

The pod racing scene alone is better than anything in nu-Star Wars.

Regardless of how people felt about the length of that scene, it really was adrenaline fueled fun.

I always liked the pod racing scene tbh.

Also, I remember as a kid trailers, Taco Bell commercials, toy commercials hyping that part up so much that I thought it was going to be literally the whole story lol.
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I can't get over how some people don't like the Darth Maul fight. Shit was intense.

Look at Obi-Wan ready to spill some blood

As much as people hate the prequels... I don't think any of the other movies will top the music or light saber duels in them.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I can't get over how some people don't like the Darth Maul fight. Shit was intense.

Look at Obi-Wan ready to spill some blood

GAAAAAHD that whole fight is sooooooo good, esp with duel of the fates blaring in the background. And then the music cuts off and all you hear are the light sabers when it's just obi wan and maul. Only thing I hate about that scene is how it ended... maul seemed too... I don't know... he just had multiple chances to swing at obi wan as obi jumped over top of him at the end... I wanted MORE!
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Prequels didn't have lightsaber duels, it had lightsaber ballet. I can't believe people actually enjoy seeing a bunch of dancers prance around in the least realistic way combat would ever occur.

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The Admiral posted...

Prequels didn't have lightsaber duels, it had lightsaber ballet. I can't believe people actually enjoy seeing a bunch of dancers prance around in the least realistic way combat would ever occur.

These are warriors with precognitive abilities and super natural reflexes. You expect them to fight like normal human beings?

The Admiral posted...

Prequels didn't have lightsaber duels, it had lightsaber ballet. I can't believe people actually enjoy seeing a bunch of dancers prance around in the least realistic way combat would ever occur.

Meh... still better than the original films where they take two swings at each other and then stop for more dialogue.

And still waaay better than the disney sequels, but lightsaber ballet is a funny name for it lol, I'll give you that.

I mean LOL... just look at these fights compared to the prequels haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnMDtMysHo" data-time="
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