Current Events > Star Wars Prequel Trilogy has better characters, music, and storyline

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DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

Inb4 the EU.
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Hairistotle posted...

Malfunction posted...

The culture wars have melted peoples brains so much they think the prequels are good now actually

i think it's mostly that the people who were like 4 when they saw the prequels are now grown up

but it's really disappointing i'll say that. i saw rots when i was like 13 and even then i thought it was a piece of shit

No i think it is very much rooted in the culture war brain worms.

Awful writing, acting, cinematography, story + epic awesome flippy fights!!! (which aren't even good) > the growingly overblown spectre of star wars 'politics' (ie women do stuff in them)

The fight coregraphy in the prequels is really boring. Duel of the Fates is pretty great looking I'll give it that, but even that is emotionally dead. The fight between Rey and Kylo in TFA is infinitely better than the rest of the sword fights in the PT. Like Anakin vs Dooku? The fuck is that shit? Yoda spinning around like a fidget spinner while green CGI stick moves around with him? Pass. Obi Wan and Anakin fighting for 47 hours in dark environs, with lightsabers the same colour and fucking nothing happens, but they keep turning into cgi frogs jumping to the next stupid location, ending up fighting atop droids flying over a fucking lake of lava? Fuck right off with that shit.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

The fight coregraphy in the prequels is really boring. Duel of the Fates is pretty great looking I'll give it that, but even that is emotionally dead. The fight between Rey and Kylo in TFA is infinitely better than the rest of the sword fights in the PT. Like Anakin vs Dooku? The fuck is that shit? Yoda spinning around like a fidget spinner while green CGI stick moves around with him? Pass. Obi Wan and Anakin fighting for 47 hours in dark environs, with lightsabers the same colour and fucking nothing happens, but they keep turning into cgi frogs jumping to the next stupid location, ending up fighting atop droids flying over a fucking lake of lava? Fuck right off with that shit.

I mostly agree with that except I'd give more credit to Duel of the Fates. The first half is just sick moves, but the back half has plenty of emotion. The contrast between Qui-Gon's calm, meditative style, versus Maul's arrogant taunts and flips, versus Obi-Wan's frantic rage... it's all great stuff until the somersaulting frog-jump at the end. Duel of the Fates is top-tier, imo.
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I'm not talking about dialogue. We all know how the Prequel Trilogy can be in that aspect. Regardless, the PT is far more quotable than the Sequel Trilogy, but I digress.

PT produced iconic characters, memorable music, and gave fans a storyline they've been waiting decades to see. Although it was executed poorly, at least the prequels feels more a part of the Star Wars universe than the sequels.

What iconic characters did the prequels produce and how are any of them better than Poe Dameron or Kylo Ren?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I'm not talking about dialogue. We all know the PT is cringeworthy in that regard. Regardless, the PT is far more quotable than the ST, but I digress.

Prequels produces iconic characters, memorable music, and gave fans a storyline they've been waiting for. Although it was executed poorly, at least the prequels feels more a part of the SW universe than the sequels.

What 'iconic characters?' And who asked for any part of the Prequel storyline?

If THAT whiny mess is what you wanted when you asked for Vader's backstory, you need meds.
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Polycosm posted...

I mostly agree with that except I'd give more credit to Duel of the Fates. The first half is just sick moves, but the back half has plenty of emotion. The contrast between Qui-Gon's calm, meditative style, versus Maul's arrogant taunts and flips, versus Obi-Wan's frantic rage... it's all great stuff until the somersaulting frog-jump at the end. Duel of the Fates is top-tier, imo.

I dont disagree with this, but I do feel DotF lacks an emotional expression in its choreography. My favourite sword fight in the series is Luke v Vader in Return of the Jedi because of that raw emotion that Mark Hamill puts into his fight choereography that truly makes it feel like these are people fighting over great things. In contrast Duel of the Fates look like a ballet recital of people showcasing very well made and very ingrained choreography, every foot movement predetermined and learned rather than being a natural expression of the characters.

Its gorgeous, it showcases great choreographic and talent from everyone involved.

But ultimately its for the sake of nothing.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

What iconic characters did the prequels produce and how are any of them better than Poe Dameron or Kylo Ren?

When did Poe become this badass? He's a whiny selfish jerk that they try to replace Han Solo with but fail miserably.
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darkjedilink posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I'm not talking about dialogue. We all know the PT is cringeworthy in that regard. Regardless, the PT is far more quotable than the ST, but I digress.

Prequels produces iconic characters, memorable music, and gave fans a storyline they've been waiting for. Although it was executed poorly, at least the prequels feels more a part of the SW universe than the sequels.

What 'iconic characters?' And who asked for any part of the Prequel storyline?

If THAT whiny mess is what you wanted when you asked for Vader's backstory, you need meds.

The story was good, can you not see that the execution was at fault?

Anakin a slave boy falls who in love with a queen. He grew up in the gutter so he has a chip on his shoulder. The Jedi council outright said they don't want to train him because he has too much darkness. Obi-Wan' s first act as a Jedi Knight is to go against the council's decision. On top of that, Anakin is led to believe he is the Chosen One so it went to his head. Palpatine, one of his father figures, is targeted by the council who doesn't even trust Anakin. The Jedi didn't allow Anakin to rescue his mother. Then when Anakin goes to Yoda for advice on saving a loved one, Yoda instructs Anakin yo just let her go again just like Shmi. All this leads to Anakin not trusting the Jedi. It makes sense he believes he is right in ending the war in RotS.

Pretty good backstory. Only problem is how it was executed.

EvalAngell posted...

When did Poe become this badass? He's a whiny selfish jerk that they try to replace Han Solo with but fail miserably.

How is this an opinion of the character when there's nothing in the movies that suggest this

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The story was good, can you not see that the execution was at fault?

Anakin a slave boy falls who in love with a queen. He grew up in the gutter so he has a chip on his shoulder. The Jedi council outright said they don't want to train him because he has too much darkness. Obi-Wan' s first act as a Jedi Knight is to go against the council's decision. On top of that, Anakin is led to believe he is the Chosen One so it went to his head. Palpatine, one of his father figures, is targeted by the council who doesn't even trust Anakin. The Jedi didn't allow Anakin to rescue his mother. Then when Anakin goes to Yoda for advice on saving a loved one, Yoda instructs Anakin yo just let her go again just like Shmi. All this leads to Anakin not trusting the Jedi. It makes sense he believes he is right in ending the war in RotS.

Pretty good backstory. Only problem is how it was executed.

None of that sounds good.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The story was good, can you not see that the execution was at fault?

Anakin a slave boy falls who in love with a queen. He grew up in the gutter so he has a chip on his shoulder. The Jedi council outright said they don't want to train him because he has too much darkness. Obi-Wan' s first act as a Jedi Knight is to go against the council's decision. On top of that, Anakin is led to believe he is the Chosen One so it went to his head. Palpatine, one of his father figures, is targeted by the council who doesn't even trust Anakin. The Jedi didn't allow Anakin to rescue his mother. Then when Anakin goes to Yoda for advice on saving a loved one, Yoda instructs Anakin yo just let her go again just like Shmi. All this leads to Anakin not trusting the Jedi. It makes sense he believes he is right in ending the war in RotS.

Pretty good backstory. Only problem is how it was executed.

None of that sounds good.

Okay, well how do you want it

Not a stupid and lazy religious chosen one story pulled from Lucas' own anus for no reason

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Not a stupid and lazy religious chosen one story pulling from Lucas' own anus for no reason

Okay, so what then. I like discussing alternate universes. If you remove the prophecy from the story, there's still a lot of good in it.

No.

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I'll agree wholeheartedly on the music but the others...no.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

No.

So you don't like something, but don't know how to fix it

What exactly do you have against it then

Well that's because the story had a sense of direction through the trilogy.

This new trilogy seems lost in the plot. The 2nd movie didn't move the plot along much.
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Hairistotle posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

PT produced iconic characters, memorable music, and gave fans a storyline they've been waiting decades to see. Although it was executed poorly, at least the prequels feels more a part of the Star Wars universe than the sequels.

I agree with this but this isn't the topic you made

This is the reason I believe the PT has better than the ST. What did you find different between that post and the topic?

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The story was good, can you not see that the execution was at fault?

Anakin a slave boy falls who in love with a queen. He grew up in the gutter so he has a chip on his shoulder. The Jedi council outright said they don't want to train him because he has too much darkness. Obi-Wan' s first act as a Jedi Knight is to go against the council's decision. On top of that, Anakin is led to believe he is the Chosen One so it went to his head. Palpatine, one of his father figures, is targeted by the council who doesn't even trust Anakin. The Jedi didn't allow Anakin to rescue his mother. Then when Anakin goes to Yoda for advice on saving a loved one, Yoda instructs Anakin yo just let her go again just like Shmi. All this leads to Anakin not trusting the Jedi. It makes sense he believes he is right in ending the war in RotS.

Pretty good backstory. Only problem is how it was executed.

None of that sounds good.

Okay, well how do you want it

Anakin earned nothing in his rise, so the fall had zero emotional weight to it. The 'chosen one' story didn't help at all, and then making Anakin so easily manipulated by literally everyone just destroyed everything.

The only part of the prequels that made any sense was Anakin killing the sand people after finding his mom. Nothing before, and nothing after.
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

Well that's because the story had a sense of direction through the trilogy.

This new trilogy seems lost in the plot. The 2nd movie didn't move the plot along much.

I agree. This is why I wanted Disney to follow George Lucas' sequel outline. Disney handles the directing and cleans up the writing. Lucas handles the ideas and universe building.

At least it would conclude the story he was working on since the 70s. Afterwards, Disney can do whatever they want for the spin offs.

As much as I hated TLJ, it's still not the worst Star Wars film. Attack of the Clones is far worse. However, I do appreciate what AotC brought to the franchise. As awful as it is, it's brought far more good to Star Wars then TLJ could ever hope to bring.

I, personally, loved the Clone Wars and all the content we got with it. Those OG Battlefront games wouldn't have existed either. I don't think it was something that the trilogy should have revolved around as heavily, but the politics in that world and motivations behind them were sound compared to that of the Sequel Trilogy.

The world's, music, and lore that the prequels brought are unmatched by the sequels easily. Characters are debatable. I enjoy a lot of the prequel characters outside of the actual films so that's kind of unfair.

Don't know which is worse. Making Ani bitch made or making Luke bitchmade. They disrespected Ani hard. You think Darth Vader and you don't think about some kid crying about the sand. However at least Anakins saga ends with the OT so it's much more forgivable than ending Luke's story where they did.
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darkjedilink posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

Inb4 the EU.

Well there is The Clone Wars, which is not EU and in fact canon. That show made a number of characters introduced in the movies significantly more interesting. Anakin and Maul are the two prime examples I think. So while they were poorly implemented in the actual prequels, they did at least set up for all the greatness The Clone Wars provided.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

Inb4 the EU.

Well there is The Clone Wars, which is not EU and in fact canon. That show made a number of characters introduced in the movies significantly more interesting. Anakin and Maul are the two prime examples I think. So while they were poorly implemented in the actual prequels, they did at least set up for all the greatness The Clone Wars provided.

That show sucked balls, bruh.
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I dont think you can proclaim the Clone Wars part of the "Prequel trilogy" no matter their status as canon or not. Darth Maul, in the prequel movies, has less character than random trade federation droids.

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darkjedilink posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

Inb4 the EU.

Well there is The Clone Wars, which is not EU and in fact canon. That show made a number of characters introduced in the movies significantly more interesting. Anakin and Maul are the two prime examples I think. So while they were poorly implemented in the actual prequels, they did at least set up for all the greatness The Clone Wars provided.

That show sucked balls, bruh.

No it didn't. The only thing better than that show is the OT.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I dont think you can proclaim the Clone Wars part of the "Prequel trilogy" no matter their status as canon or not. Darth Maul, in the prequel movies, has less character than random trade federation droids.

And I wasn't doing that. My only point was that The Clone Wars made up for the failures of the Prequels.
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I liked that show, yeah. The 2D one that is. I think there's like forty seven 3D cgi animation shows called The Clone Wars now.

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Every time I pop in the prequels.

This is where the fun begins.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I liked that show, yeah. The 2D one that is. I think there's like forty seven 3D cgi animation shows called The Clone Wars now.

Nah man there's only one. And you can't really compare the 2D one to the 3D one. Both are excellent, but TCW has much more depth.
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The CGI is so ugly, though.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

The CGI is so ugly, though.

Nope, you're thinking of Rose Tico's face.
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That was a dumb post.

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I weep for the children that actually think Disney Wars is the same thing as Star Wars. Using the same name doesn't mean it's actually a continuation of the storyline. They share nothing in common but a name. None of the characters or events make any sense or have any type of logical consistency to the story.
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Gamerguymass posted...

I weep for the children that actually think Disney Wars is the same thing as Star Wars. Using the same name doesn't mean it's actually a continuation of the storyline. They share nothing in common but a name. None of the characters or events make any sense or have any type of logical consistency to the story.

Implying everybody who prefers the sequel trilogy over the prequels are children.
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Gamerguymass posted...

I weep for the children that actually think Disney Wars is the same thing as Star Wars. Using the same name doesn't mean it's actually a continuation of the storyline. They share nothing in common but a name. None of the characters or events make any sense or have any type of logical consistency to the story.

That's the worse offense the ST made. We never really got a continuation of the happy ending from RotJ. TFA sorta just dropped us back into ANH.

Gamerguymass posted...

I weep for the children that actually think Disney Wars is the same thing as Star Wars. Using the same name doesn't mean it's actually a continuation of the storyline. They share nothing in common but a name. None of the characters or events make any sense or have any type of logical consistency to the story.

You should watch the trailer for The Mandalorian.
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What's weird for me is that the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy are almost complete opposites for me.

Prequels: The individual movies are mediocre, but the overall story is mostly great
Sequels: The individual movies are great, but the overall story is mediocre

This topic again ?, everyone knows the PT is better then the sewage that is the ST.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

What's weird for me is that the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy are almost complete opposites for me.

Prequels: The individual movies are mediocre, but the overall story is mostly great
Sequels: The individual movies are great, but the overall story is mediocre

That's a good way to put it. See I actually liked TLJ and TFA, but only after I accepted that the ST takes place in an sort of alternate universe.

Srs it helped me enjoy those films when they're detached. Because they really do seem like spin offs.

I would certainly argue that, compared to currently, I could be more forgiving.
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I might actually think the PT has slightly better characters than the ST, and it definitely has better music. gotta wait to see the last chapter of the story for that one though.
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the clone wars making watching revenge of the sith a lot better

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

That's a good way to put it. See I actually liked TLJ and TFA, but only after I accepted that the ST takes place in an sort of alternate universe.

Srs it helped me enjoy those films when they're detached. Because they really do seem like spin offs.

Spin offs...featuring the main cast of the original films and playing important roles

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MorbidFaithless posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

That's a good way to put it. See I actually liked TLJ and TFA, but only after I accepted that the ST takes place in an sort of alternate universe.

Srs it helped me enjoy those films when they're detached. Because they really do seem like spin offs.

Spin offs...featuring the main cast of the original films and playing important roles

In a story not by the same person who did the first two trilogies.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

In a story not by the same person who did the first two trilogies.

Thank GOD

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MorbidFaithless posted...

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

In a story not by the same person who did the first two trilogies.

Thank GOD

The problem wasn't the story, it was the execution. Disney could have handled the direction and writing. Lucas stay on as creative consultant.

Remember when people who didn't like the Prequels were called racists and bigots?

Oh wait, that's the sequels. Still waiting for proof Rose Tico was bullied off social media other than clickbait trash websites like The Mary Sue.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

How is Darth Maul even a character, never even fucking mind a good one?

He's essentially Boba Fett of PT. Hes there to look cool. He gets some actual character in the cgi cartoons but idk if that counts. That's like saying Greivous is bad ass even though that only happens in a cartoon.
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