Current Events > 9 year old girl mauled to death by dogs in Detroit

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Ah yeah the classic Chihuahuas are more aggressive argument.

As if they're somehow not less dangerous than a really big rat.

They are statistically less likely to attack a human being.
That is scientific, irrefutable fact.
The level of damage they can cause is not what's being discussed.
Hell Dobermans, German shepherds, and rottweilers all rank higher in human aggression and have similar (and some stronger) bit force.

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I've never met a pit bull I've liked.

I dont even mean that in the sense of them being aggressive or violent or dangerous. I mean that pretty much every one I've met has been super hyperactive and obnoxious and just runs around and jumps on people and slobbers everywhere. The owners always just let them do it, or stand there and yell at them, which is just as annoying, and the dog never responds to them.

I dont hate pit bulls because I think they're gonna kill me, I hate them because I know I'm in for an exhausting time.
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meestermj posted...

The level of damage they can cause is not what's being discussed.

Yes that's exactly what's being discussed.

Something that is aggressive that can't hurt you isn't a threat. The angriest goldfish in the tank is still just a fucking goldfish. Not a shark.

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People need to get off r/Awww and remember that dogs, not just pit bulls, are animals and can bite anyone for no reason.

Always be careful with dogs around children.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

meestermj posted...

The level of damage they can cause is not what's being discussed.

Yes that's exactly what's being discussed.

Something that is aggressive that can't hurt you isn't a threat. The angriest goldfish in the tank is still just a fucking goldfish. Not a shark.

I mean a German Shephard or a Doberman are pretty fucking strong.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Imagine being a real human being who wants all pets banned.

That's a PETA mission statement actually. They equate ownership of animals to slavery because in their minds and animal is equal in rights to a person.

All living things have an equal stake in this world. The planet belongs to us all. Just because humans create a society where people are supposedly the most important species, doesn't mean it's right.

Haven't you seen Pocahontas

iPhone_7 posted...

Pit bulls -actually all pets should be banned because people cant be responsible.

As someone with a dog and who associates with other pet owners, most people have no idea how to control or maintain their pets.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Yes that's exactly what's being discussed.

Something that is aggressive that can't hurt you isn't a threat. The angriest goldfish in the tank is still just a fucking goldfish. Not a shark.

So address the part of my post where I say Dobermans, Grrman Shepherds, and Rottweilers all can cause just as much damage and are statistically more likely to attack.
Except you won't.

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meestermj posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ah yeah the classic Chihuahuas are more aggressive argument.

As if they're somehow not less dangerous than a really big rat.

They are statistically less likely to attack a human being.
That is scientific, irrefutable fact.
The level of damage they can cause is not what's being discussed.
Hell Dobermans, German shepherds, and rottweilers all rank higher in human aggression and have similar (and some stronger) bit force.

And yet, pit bulls cause more problems. Because theyre cheap. Nobody is going to be neglectful and shitty to their 2000 dollar Doberman puppy.
Its absolutely an owner issue. Although that might be the point you were arguing also. Either way.

Not quite sure theres an easy solution to this. Its not like the shitty owners ever take them to the vet or anything.

GregShmedley posted...

It's frightening how there are actually people who believe irradicating a breed is an ethical and proper solution to problem that revolves around irresponsible dog owners, often with malicious intentions of owning the dog.

Whats another solution? You wont be able to change those people, so make sure any other solutions doesnt rely on that.

Even the animals over there are killing ppl

Rip little girl :/
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@Cobra1010 posted...

I can't be arsed clicking the link. Is the dog breed a pit bull?

Yes

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I have a pure bred pit bull puppy. How long before her first kill?

Well at least you know what you're going to die from...

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NeoShadowhen posted...

GregShmedley posted...

It's frightening how there are actually people who believe irradicating a breed is an ethical and proper solution to problem that revolves around irresponsible dog owners, often with malicious intentions of owning the dog.

Whats another solution? You wont be able to change those people, so make sure any other solutions doesnt rely on that.

The people who want to illegally breed fighting dogs will just find another breed.

KillerKhan420 posted...

Pitbulls need to be eradicated as a breed. 1 person dying to them is 1 too many. Nanny breed? Lol a saint Bernard is a real protector, a pitbull is death. Only breed that can snap and turn into a wild animal. Might as well have pet wolves, they'd rival the death count given time and take the heat off pits

Lets count all the false statements in this post.
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NeoShadowhen posted...

meestermj posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ah yeah the classic Chihuahuas are more aggressive argument.

As if they're somehow not less dangerous than a really big rat.

They are statistically less likely to attack a human being.
That is scientific, irrefutable fact.
The level of damage they can cause is not what's being discussed.
Hell Dobermans, German shepherds, and rottweilers all rank higher in human aggression and have similar (and some stronger) bit force.

And yet, pit bulls cause more problems. Because theyre cheap. Nobody is going to be neglectful and shitty to their 2000 dollar Doberman puppy.
Its absolutely an owner issue. Although that might be the point you were arguing also. Either way.

Not quite sure theres an easy solution to this. Its not like the shitty owners ever take them to the vet or anything.

there was that one person on youtube throwing her doberman around. i didn't agree on her disciplinary methods.
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LostSeason7 posted...

As someone with a dog and who associates with other pet owners, most people have no idea how to control or maintain their pets.

QFT

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If most people don't know how to manage pets, and certain pets are dangerous in the hands of those kinds of people, maybe they should be regulated?

Prove you can actually manage/train a Pitbull before you're allowed to have one.
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spanky1 posted...

I've never met a pit bull I've liked.

that's funny, because i've never met a pit bull i didn't like.
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DarkRoast posted...

Prove you can actually manage/train a Pitbull before you're allowed to have one.

This goes back to what I said. Make registration mandatory, and to register you need a passed training certificate.

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Government cant even crack down on puppy mills yet you expect them to get every dog owner certified lol
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KillerKhan420 posted...

Pitbulls need to be eradicated as a breed. 1 person dying to them is 1 too many. Nanny breed? Lol a saint Bernard is a real protector, a pitbull is death. Only breed that can snap and turn into a wild animal. Might as well have pet wolves, they'd rival the death count given time and take the heat off pits

Damn, dont cut yourself on all that edge. Careful there

Tyranthraxus posted...

meestermj posted...

You are 100% wrong sir.
Aggression towards animals and aggression toward humans are different things entirely.
Pit Bulls don't even break the top 10 list when studies were done regarding aggression towards humans.

Ah yeah the classic Chihuahuas are more aggressive argument.

As if they're somehow not less dangerous than a really big rat.

Pit Bulls arent even among the most aggressive breeds of dogs out there. Im pretty sure even Dalmatians tend to be more aggressive than Pit Bulls
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NeoShadowhen posted...

GregShmedley posted...

It's frightening how there are actually people who believe irradicating a breed is an ethical and proper solution to problem that revolves around irresponsible dog owners, often with malicious intentions of owning the dog.

Whats another solution? You wont be able to change those people, so make sure any other solutions doesnt rely on that.

How is eradicating an entire breed a logical solution to you?

Theyll just raise other breeds in really shitty ways and boom, there goes the new Scary bad dog that people will demonize for dumb and usually false reasons

How did you manage to create this account? With that kind of problem solving, choosing a decent password must have been pretty difficult for you to do on your own, ffs
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meestermj posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Prove you can actually manage/train a Pitbull before you're allowed to have one.

This goes back to what I said. Make registration mandatory, and to register you need a passed training certificate.

I think all dogs should go through a basic obedience class but the owners need education as well.

Also, there's the issue of people not actually knowing what a Pit Bull really is. There is only one real Pit Bull, and that's the American Pit Bull Terrier. 30-60 lbs with most in the low 40s range and about 18-21 inches in height at the shoulder. Most of these dogs that I see (especially ones in the news) are bully breed mixes or American Bullies of some sort. And many people that say they have a Pit Bull really don't, it's usually a bully breed mix or an American Bully. An American Pit Bull Terrier has a specific breed standard and the "Pit Bull" moniker is a catch all term that places multiple breeds under one umbrella. You wouldn't say that a German Shepard, Dutch Shepard and Belgian Malinois are the same dog, then it shouldn't be for bull breeds either.
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It's all a matter of training. I've had Rottweilers my whole life. Currently have four of them. They show zero signs of aggression towards humans (though they're not fond of cats for some reason, and they love chasing rabbits) because I've trained them properly. Sadly that's not something that everyone's capable of.

There's not enough information for me. Why did she get attacked in the first place?

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I have a friend with 3 pitbulls and they snuggle with her newborn daughter no problem. Same with her first kid, they never hurt him.

But theyd tear apart anyone that tried to break into that house
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Pitties are very cute. My appreciation grew for them after Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
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I don't think people in cities or suburban areas should be allowed dogs. To much of a risk for people who don't live with nature everyday.

thronedfire2 posted...

I have a friend with 3 pitbulls and they snuggle with her newborn daughter no problem. Same with her first kid, they never hurt him.

But theyd tear apart anyone that tried to break into that house

All it takes is that baby crying too loud one time and that's a wrap.

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Middle hope posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

I have a friend with 3 pitbulls and they snuggle with her newborn daughter no problem. Same with her first kid, they never hurt him.

But theyd tear apart anyone that tried to break into that house

All it takes is that baby crying too loud one time and that's a wrap.

no, her 8 year old is fucking obnoxious. they dogs listen better than he does.

two of them are 7 years old and the other is 2, they got her when she was a little puppy and never hurt her even though she's crazy too
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Parents are at fault.
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So genuine question here?

Why did the father not immediately go and half kill the dog owner? I am serious.

According to the story he had already been in multiple fights with his neighbor over the dogs not being properly restrained and his fence being ineffective.

Though I feel if I had lived beside such dangerous dogs and my neighbor was refusing to properly secure them. I would of thrown the dogs some fresh raw steak injected with antifreeze. Assuming Animal control refused to fix the problem.

@Crisscross posted...

So genuine question here?

Why did the father not immediately go and half kill the dog owner? I am serious.

According to the story he had already been in multiple fights with his neighbor over the dogs not being properly restrained and his fence being ineffective.

Though I feel if I had lived beside such dangerous dogs and my neighbor was refusing to properly secure them.

I would of thrown the dogs some fresh raw steak injected with antifreeze.

(Assuming Animal control refused to fix the problem)

That would have probably resulted in jail time. Emotions were running high im sure, but they took the right path by not physically confronting the dogs owner and letting the police handle it. Also the fact that if they were fighting the owner, the 3 murder mutts would have came and had a feeding frenzy while the owner stomped his head in.
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Middle hope posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

I have a friend with 3 pitbulls and they snuggle with her newborn daughter no problem. Same with her first kid, they never hurt him.

But theyd tear apart anyone that tried to break into that house

All it takes is that baby crying too loud one time and that's a wrap.

What circumstantial evidence do you have of this?

Thats right, youre just talking out your ass.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

What circumstantial evidence do you have of this?

Thats right, youre just talking out your ass.

https://abc7.com/2-month-old-baby-mauled- by-pit-bull-in-woodland-hills/4391743/

Only had to look through 3 of the hundreds of articles about dogs eating babies to find one

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Imagine being a real human being who wants all pets banned.

That's a PETA mission statement actually. They equate ownership of animals to slavery because in their minds and animal is equal in rights to a person.

oh thats why they go around stealing dogs and killing them
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E32005 posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Imagine being a real human being who wants all pets banned.

That's a PETA mission statement actually. They equate ownership of animals to slavery because in their minds and animal is equal in rights to a person.

i agree with some pets, like birds. but dogs want to be in a pack and socialize.

Not to mention we're the cat's slaves, not the other way around
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Middle hope posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

What circumstantial evidence do you have of this?

Thats right, youre just talking out your ass.

https://abc7.com/2-month-old-baby-mauled- by-pit-bull-in-woodland-hills/4391743/

Only had to look through 3 of the hundreds of articles about dogs eating babies to find one

You realize that in no way backs up the statement if baby crys too loud a pitbull will maul it, right? Like, you do actually get that?
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Very sad outcome. The dog owner will go to prison for negligence resulting in death. Someone asked why she got attacked. I saw a report on CNN that said the dogs were loose and roaming. She was just walking through the neighborhood and she ran into them

marc55 posted...

oh thats why they go around stealing dogs and killing them

Yes. I never said there was any logic or consistency of their actions with their statements. Just that if you wanted to imagine it, that's what it might look like.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

You realize that in no way backs up the statement if baby crys too loud a pitbull will maul it, right? Like, you do actually get that?

Baby was mauled because it cried. Sounds like pretty solid evidence to me.

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Pepys Monster posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Pit bulls -actually all pets should be banned because people cant be responsible.

Imagine being a real human being who wants all pets banned.

That was obviously a joke making fun of people suggesting to ban pitbulls

Why is most offensive things, crimes, deaths, murders and manslaughter; "ONE TIME IS ONE TOO MANY!"? Death of children by attacks from pit bulls; "it's not the dogs fault!".
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thanosibe posted...

Why is most offensive things, crimes, deaths, murders and manslaughter; "ONE TIME IS ONE TOO MANY!"? Death of children by attacks from pit bulls; "it's not the dogs fault!".

If there are plenty of people in this world with pitbulls that don't seem to harm anyone, I'm going to place responsibility on the owner.

Plus, it's not exactly mutually exclusive to think "one time is one too many" while also suggesting people raise their dogs probably and don't let them roam the fuckin' neighborhood unattended

I would propose that we stop selective dog breeding entirely.
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DippinSauce posted...

The problem isn't the pit bulls themselves

Pretty sure it is.
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