Board 8 > Reminder that Athena was only lead defender for two cases

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where's the gs7 announcement

this topic inspired by a recent playthrough of 5-3, which is one of my favorite cases in the series (until maybe the last third of the last trial, when it is actually terrible)

5-3 is a borderline top ten case

Athena's theme is top tier in both games
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5-3 is the rare third case that isn't fucking terrible so there's that
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5-2 is the real top ten case. 5-3 is still good, though.
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I like both 5-2 and 5-3. I guess I'm not as down on Dual Destinies as most are... in fact, I like it DD slightly more than Spirit of Justice. (that's an unpopular opinion for you) Blackquill is one of the main reasons for that.... he's so much more likeable than Sahdmadi. I would say SoJ has the slight edge in the 1st, 3rd, and 5th cases, while DD has a slight edge in 2nd case, but a HUGE advantage in the 4th and bonus cases.

But I gotta say, the way the "cases" were arranged seemed kinda backwards between the final case of DD and the final case of SoJ.... DD has three days across two "cases", but it's really only one "case". Meanwhile, SoJ's final case is really two "cases".
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"cases"

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I consider 5-2 and 5-3 to be pretty "whatever", imo... I mean they're fine, but just pretty standard for AA cases. Dual Destinies didn't feel very unique. I like 6-4 more than 5-3 when it comes to Athena cases.

XIII_rocks posted...

"cases"

how dare you mock me
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FBike1 posted...

5-3 is the rare third case that isn't fucking terrible so there's that

The third case is supposed to be sort of a comical cooldown before the epic case, so as long as you don't take them too seriously they don't suck as bad.
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Haste_2 posted...

how dare you mock me

Goddamnit, I never did get round to making that "XIII_mocks" alt

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I didnt get into six as much because of the weird vision prophecy stuff. And too little Athena.
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Dels posted...

I like 6-4 more than 5-3 when it comes to Athena cases.

now here's an opinion

MrSmartGuy posted...

5-2 is the real top ten case. 5-3 is still good, though.

5-2 also borderline top ten case

now it's time for my hot take

DD is the second best game in the series
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Is Blackquill the best (non-Edgeworth) prosecutor?

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You can never have too little athena
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GANON1025 posted...

Is Blackquill the best (non-Edgeworth) prosecutor?

If you're talking about main prosecutors, it's not even close. If you want to count Manfred von Karma, then it's fairly close, but it's still Blackquill.
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I like von Karma a lot too, but he's only around for one case.

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LeonhartFour posted...

now it's time for my hot take

DD is the second best game in the series

whew
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6-4 is pretty bad. It pretty much resetted Athena's character development by making her less competent.

5-3 is great though. At first I didn't like it, but then I realized it's like the least serious case in the whole series, and the way it makes fun of itself is brilliant.

I'm close with you. I think DD is the third best-game in the main series.

T&T > SoJ > DD > AA > JFA > AJ

Also, I just watched someone play through the first four AA games blind in about a 2 month span, because they fell in love with the series, and AJ wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered it being. 4-3 being the exception. It was exactly as bad as I recalled.
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Dual Destinies has the best version of Apollo's theme.

4-3 is easily the worst case in the series, and 4-2 is in the bottom 3.

I still don't mind replaying AJ though because even the worst cases still have their moments.
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LeonhartFour posted...

now it's time for my hot take

DD is the second best game in the series

Is that really a hot take? I thought that was the consensus.

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Leonhart4 posted...

4-2 is in the bottom 3

Madness.

I can understand our differences regarding 4-3, but 4-2 is average at worst.

For me it's probably 3 > 6 > 5 > 2 > 1 > 4

you guys have weak hot takes

AA > SoJ > T&T > JFA > DD >> AJ
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T&T > AA > DD > SoJ > AJ > JfA
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Leonhart4 posted...

4-2 is in the bottom 3

Madness.

I can understand our differences regarding 4-3, but 4-2 is average at worst.

No, it's much worse than average. Investigation Day 1 is the worst and most pointless investigation in the series.

th3l3fty posted...

you guys have weak hot takes

AA > SoJ > T&T > JFA > DD >> AJ

I mean, I can come up with other stuff.

Like saying 1-2 and 2-3 are good cases.
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2-3 is over-hated.

4-2 is awful because it contains two of the worst characters in the whole series, including a defendant who makes your job a thousand times harder by wanting to be convicted (and not for noble reasons like Lana, although it still hurts her but not by much).
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5-3 is pretty fun actually. I knew who the villain was the instant they were introduced because even among that cartoony cast they stood out like a sore thumb, but they turned out to be pretty entertaining anyway.
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I don't know where I would have it on a ranking or anything, but I love 6-4 so much because of how very little of it translates into the Japanifornia setting, and the horrible defendant being drunk Wocky.
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AA > SoJ > T&T > DD > JFA

Tokyo Game Show is next month
I hyped the hell out of last year's TGS and was disappointed to hell and back by the non-news we got

I want to believe that this is when they will finally announce AA7, it's about damn time

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T&T > DD > AA > SOJ > JFA > AJ

Final case rankings:
2-4 > 3-5 > 6-6 > 1-4 > 5-5 > 4-4

3-2, 5-3, and 6-3 are all in my top 10.

DD is the most consistent game overall, with no real stinkers. SOJ is up and down; 6-4 is a massive waste of time because it just doesn't work in the localization and the Khur'ain gimmick gets old fast, but 6-6 is INSANE for a single-day case. I do find it odd that 6-4, 6-5, and 6-6 are all single days though, but I suppose that might have something to do with there being six cases.

Athena is one of my favorite characters; probably third after Maya and Gumshoe, maybe fourth after Edgey.
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6-6 isn't a single day case. It's really the only case in SoJ that sticks to the traditional formula, which makes sense considering what it is.
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I think that my hottest AA take is that the Grand Turnabout sucks
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lefty still hasn't played the DD DLC case which is the best case in its game, so his opinion of DD is low
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As for main series rankings

T&T > DD > SoJ > AA > JFA >>>>>>>>> AJ

and final case rankings... hm...

6-5 >= 2-4 >= 3-5 >> 1-5 > 1-4 > 5-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4-4

Those top 3 are all so good that it was hard to place one over the other.
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Arti posted...

lefty still hasn't played the DD DLC case which is the best case in its game, so his opinion of DD is low

I love DD as much as anyone, but 5-6 is a little overrated.

E2-5 is, too. My word the first half of that case drags so hard.
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Leonhart4 posted...

6-6 isn't a single day case. It's really the only case in SoJ that sticks to the traditional formula, which makes sense considering what it is.

I meant a single day of trial. Maybe I'm misremembering. 6-5 definitely was different, with it being a civil suit where Phoenix was being blackmailed into supporting a slimeball who clearly had no right to the artifact, so Phoenix essentially served as prosecutor. But the murder was clearly committed by said slimeball. And then 6-6 took place immediately after, with (MASSIVE SOJ SPOILERS ONLY CLICK IF YOU BEATED THE GAME) that huge battle of wits in the courtroom and the Queen being exposed as a fraud. MAN that was wonderful. I mostly remember how it started and how it ended and Dhurke having been dead the whole time though. I should play that whole thing again.
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5-D was good, but not great. (I personally played it between 5-3 and 5-4 since that's what I was told to do.)

I need to get back to AAI2. I think not being able to play it whilst mobile made it harder for me >_>
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MrSmartGuy posted...

5-2 is the real top ten case. 5-3 is still good, though.

eh, it's not bad but l can't stand l'belle

ZeldaTPLink posted...

6-4 is pretty bad. It pretty much resetted Athena's character development by making her less competent.

5-3 is great though. At first I didn't like it, but then I realized it's like the least serious case in the whole series, and the way it makes fun of itself is brilliant.

6-4 has uendo, who isn't bad, but you're right. simon pretty much does everything for athena, kind of like an even worse version of how people complained mia solved cases for phoenix in AA1. it also kind of hurts simon's character too in the process. if this case was drawn out to a one-day investigation/trial case, where athena actually SOLVES THINGS HERSELF, then this case might not be so bad. so 6-4 should actually be like 6-2, and 6-2 should have actually been a 2-day case/trial.

i love 5-3. i love robin, hugh, junie, and the whole setting. i REALLY LOVE MIRIAM. i like the klavier cameo. I just don't like it at all once means gets fingered as a suspect. not that it wasn't completely obvious it was him all along, but it just feels sloppily executed/rushed.

__LeiaRolando__ posted...

Leonhart4 posted...

6-6 isn't a single day case. It's really the only case in SoJ that sticks to the traditional formula, which makes sense considering what it is.

I meant a single day of trial. Maybe I'm misremembering. 6-5 definitely was different, with it being a civil suit where Phoenix was being blackmailed into supporting a slimeball who clearly had no right to the artifact, so Phoenix essentially served as prosecutor. But the murder was clearly committed by said slimeball. And then 6-6 took place immediately after, with (MASSIVE SOJ SPOILERS ONLY CLICK IF YOU BEATED THE GAME) that huge battle of wits in the courtroom and the Queen being exposed as a fraud. MAN that was wonderful. I mostly remember how it started and how it ended and Dhurke having been dead the whole time though. I should play that whole thing again.

oh for some reason you refer to the second half of 6-5 as 6-6

6-6 is generally used to refer to the DLC case
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__LeiaRolando__ posted...

DD is the most consistent game overall, with no real stinkers. SOJ is up and down; 6-4 is a massive waste of time because it just doesn't work in the localization and the Khur'ain gimmick gets old fast, but 6-6 is INSANE for a single-day case. I do find it odd that 6-4, 6-5, and 6-6 are all single days though, but I suppose that might have something to do with there being six cases.

I think you mixed the numbers, 6-4 is not a Khura'in case.

I was going to say, 6-5 is really weird because if you just took the first half, with the cave and sarge and paul atishon and debating with phoenix it would still be a borderline top 5 case. The fact that it's sandwiched together with the stuff in Khur'ain is insane. I almost think the atishon case is better (almost).

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I think you mixed the numbers, 6-4 is not a Khura'in case.

I was talking about two different things in the game as to why it was up and down.

LeonhartFour posted...

oh for some reason you refer to the second half of 6-5 as 6-6

6-6 is generally used to refer to the DLC case

I thought 6-D is the DLC case, which I never played btw. I treat the Paul Atishon indictment as 6-5; going back to Khur'in only to find Inga murdered is 6-6. Those are not the same case lol
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colliding posted...

MrSmartGuy posted...

5-2 is the real top ten case. 5-3 is still good, though.

eh, it's not bad but l can't stand l'belle

ZeldaTPLink posted...

6-4 is pretty bad. It pretty much resetted Athena's character development by making her less competent.

5-3 is great though. At first I didn't like it, but then I realized it's like the least serious case in the whole series, and the way it makes fun of itself is brilliant.

6-4 has uendo, who isn't bad, but you're right. simon pretty much does everything for athena, kind of like an even worse version of how people complained mia solved cases for phoenix in AA1. it also kind of hurts simon's character too in the process. if this case was drawn out to a one-day investigation/trial case, where athena actually SOLVES THINGS HERSELF, then this case might not be so bad. so 6-4 should actually be like 6-2, and 6-2 should have actually been a 2-day case/trial.

i love 5-3. i love robin, hugh, junie, and the whole setting. i REALLY LOVE MIRIAM. i like the klavier cameo. I just don't like it at all once means gets fingered as a suspect. not that it wasn't completely obvious it was him all along, but it just feels sloppily executed/rushed.

Uendo is great, and balloon girl is pretty good too. 6-4 has good content. It's just that the Athena character assassination was too much for me.

6-6 also attempts to assassinate Edgeworth's character by having him forget he believes in pursuing the truth, but then he remembers it near the end of the case, so I don't dislike 6-6 as much as 6-4.

__LeiaRolando__ posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I think you mixed the numbers, 6-4 is not a Khura'in case.

I was talking about two different things in the game as to why it was up and down.

LeonhartFour posted...

oh for some reason you refer to the second half of 6-5 as 6-6

6-6 is generally used to refer to the DLC case

I thought 6-D is the DLC case, which I never played btw. I treat the Paul Atishon indictment as 6-5; going back to Khur'in only to find Inga murdered is 6-6. Those are not the same case lol

The civil lawsuit and the Inga case are the same chapter though, so people refer to both as 6-5, and to the DLC as either 6-6 or 6-DLC.

Paul Atinshon is an amazing villain. He could hold a full case by himself, easily.

Atishon was super annoying during the investigation phase, but his gimmick works so well in court.
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__LeiaRolando__ posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I think you mixed the numbers, 6-4 is not a Khura'in case.

I was talking about two different things in the game as to why it was up and down.

LeonhartFour posted...

oh for some reason you refer to the second half of 6-5 as 6-6

6-6 is generally used to refer to the DLC case

I thought 6-D is the DLC case, which I never played btw. I treat the Paul Atishon indictment as 6-5; going back to Khur'in only to find Inga murdered is 6-6. Those are not the same case lol

yeah damn the facts, it's two separate cases now!

I agree in principle btw