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streamofthesky 08/14/19 1:10:19 AM #1: |
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/dayton-body-armor-connor-betts-charges/index.html
Friend who provided Dayton shooter with 100-round magazine and body armor faces federal charges You know, when I saw the article title, I thought, "well, I'm sure buying that crazy military grade shit is totes legal, so I assume they nabbed him on conspiring with the shooter, or knowing of his plans and not alerting authorities, or something. Maybe there's some legit crime they can punish this guy for." NOPE! Kollie told the agents he enjoyed firearms, owned two pistols and had bought body armor and a firearms accessory for Betts earlier this year, the affidavit says. When Kollie filled out the ATF paperwork to obtain the Draco pistol in May, the affidavit says, he checked the "no" box when asked whether he had been a regular user of marijuana or any other controlled substance. Asked why he lied on the federal firearms form, Kollie allegedly told agents that "if he told the truth about his drug use, he would not be allowed to purchase a firearm." "He does not deny his friendship with Connor Betts and he was as shocked and surprised as everyone else that Mr. Betts committed the violent and senseless massacre in the Oregon District," Nick Gounaris, the attorney, said. Yes, that's the problem! Not that anybody can go out and buy 100 round ammunition drums and body armor...but that a pot head did! Got 'em! This is such a fucking farce, they're basically throwing him in jail because he smokes pot, they've already admitted he did nothing else wrong (well, nothing else illegal...I find plenty wrong w/ being able to buy that shit casually). And of course, to show that they're "doing something." How about actually doing something, and FIX THE FUCKING GUN LAWS?! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/14/19 1:27:59 AM #2: |
People of sounds mind and morals should be able to have guns designed for hunting or self defense
If a gun is designed to combat humans, no one should have that outside of the military I think almost everyone can agree with those terms and it seems like a good place to start --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Noop_Noop 08/14/19 1:29:49 AM #3: |
Mead posted...
designed for hunting or self defense Mead posted... designed to combat humans there is a pretty massive overlap here --- I am your shepherd cloaked in obscenity. Heed these sickening words: I worship only what you bleed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Firewood18 08/14/19 1:36:30 AM #4: |
Check and see what a fucked up strangle hold the NRA has put the government in in how they can keep records of owners of firearms.
I think it was inspired by the original Red Dawn movie. --- Nobody is perfect. Well, one guy was but we killed him. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 08/14/19 2:05:00 AM #5: |
mentally ill
wouldn't have happened if he didn't dude weed! --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 08/14/19 2:54:33 AM #6: |
How about a "gun damage" tax on the 1%? That way the people in power would be incentivized to fix the problem and if not, will raise funds for victims.
win/win --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 08/14/19 2:55:27 AM #7: |
Too bad the NRA owns much of the government.
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Lokarin 08/14/19 2:58:09 AM #8: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
Too bad the NRA owns much of the government. If the NRA was taxed for Rifle Associated activities within the Nation... maybe they fix stuff? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hypnox 08/14/19 2:59:35 AM #9: |
Mead posted...
People of sounds mind and morals should be able to have guns designed for hunting or self defense Pretty sure the amendment was placed mostly for the people to be able to raise against a bad governing party. You know, like we did with the British. Hard to do that if we have hunting rifles and the government has full auto weapons. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 08/14/19 3:04:16 AM #10: |
hypnox posted...
Mead posted...People of sounds mind and morals should be able to have guns designed for hunting or self defense Agreed, you guys should ban hunting rifles because they're designed for improper use under the law. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/14/19 3:06:08 AM #11: |
hypnox posted...
Pretty sure the amendment was placed mostly for the people to be able to raise against a bad governing party. You know, like we did with the British. Hard to do that if we have hunting rifles and the government has full auto weapons. So much wrong with this argument for one thing the military has far more powerful and advanced weaponry that no member of the public should ever be entrusted with Secondly, if there ever is a day that the government needs to be overthrown it would be more than achievable with basic firearms given how many more armed people there are in the general population compared to the military --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/14/19 3:07:52 AM #12: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
Too bad the NRA owns much of the government. Yep they obviously have lobbyists but many folks dont realize that a ton of politicians owe money to the NRA because they pay for a ton of campaign ads and they use that debt as leverage to block legislation --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 08/14/19 9:29:41 PM #13: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
mentally ill Even though it wasn't actually him that "did" it. Yeah, this is all kinds of fucked up. I don't agree w/ buying and hoarding all this crazy militarized gear, but he grew up in a society where it's not seen as bizarre and frightening, in a state that legally allowed people to buy such things openly. He sounds like he personally had no intentions of actually harming people, and I do feel bad that he's going to get made an example of just to satiate peoples' anger. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aaantlion 08/14/19 9:33:51 PM #14: |
streamofthesky posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/dayton-body-armor-connor-betts-charges/index.htmlFriend who provided Dayton shooter with 100-round magazine and body armor faces federal charges Uh, what? Otherwise I hate the wacky tobacky more than anybody here, but even I think it's ridiculous to use that as a reason to disqualify gun purchases. --- (\/)(\/)|-| ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/14/19 9:35:20 PM #15: |
wacky tobacky the devils lettuce --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 08/14/19 9:38:03 PM #16: |
Aaantlion posted...
Uh, what? Even more ridiculous is potentially tossing someone in jail for 15 years for daring to combine the two (pot use and gun ownership). Either you as a government entity think buying these weapons openly is ok, or you don't. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 08/14/19 10:19:31 PM #17: |
he actually got screwed
having a small amount of pot shouldn't have gotten him in trouble if i had that type of gear I wouldn't be messing around with weed either, but it's not like he was growing it or anything --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 08/15/19 3:23:39 AM #18: |
Bulldozing down some random houses might work...
https://news.umich.edu/blight-busting-demolitions-reduced-gun-injuries-deaths-in-detroit-neighborhoods/ --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanglyKhan 08/15/19 7:56:27 AM #19: |
Mead posted...
Secondly, if there ever is a day that the government needs to be overthrown it would be more than achievable with basic firearms given how many more armed people there are in the general population compared to the military Lmao ok, dude. Thanks for displaying your ignorance so proudly. I'd love to see a dozen rebels with AR-15s attempt to take down an A-10 or an Abrams. Your own post even contradicts itself. You don't review your posts much, do you? --- SMM2 ID: 6Y9-C97-LVF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blaqthourne 08/15/19 8:05:25 AM #20: |
streamofthesky posted...
they're basically throwing him in jail because he smokes pot, Yep, that's exactly why... streamofthesky posted... they've already admitted he did nothing else wrong Uh, huh... streamofthesky posted... and making false statements with respect to information required by the federal firearms code. Couldn't possibly be because of that. --- Montreal Expos (1969-2004) http://www.backloggery.com/Blaqthourne Now playing: Vasteel (TGCD) -- started 07/30/2019 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 08/15/19 5:40:47 PM #21: |
Blaqthourne posted...
streamofthesky posted...they're basically throwing him in jail because he smokes pot, What information did he make false statements about, @Blaqthourne ? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blaqthourne 08/15/19 7:00:44 PM #22: |
streamofthesky posted...
What information did he make false statements about, streamofthesky posted... When Kollie filled out the ATF paperwork to obtain the Draco pistol in May, the affidavit says, he checked the "no" box when asked whether he had been a regular user of marijuana or any other controlled substance. --- Montreal Expos (1969-2004) http://www.backloggery.com/Blaqthourne Now playing: Vasteel (TGCD) -- started 07/30/2019 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 08/15/19 7:44:34 PM #23: |
Blaqthourne posted...
streamofthesky posted...What information did he make false statements about, Bolded the relevant bit for you, since you apparently missed it. Glad you agree he's literally being thrown in jail just for doing pot. Any other loser went out and applied to be a licensed gun owner and bought the shit he did, there'd be ZERO PROBLEMS in the eyes of the law. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultra magnus13 08/15/19 8:25:24 PM #24: |
streamofthesky posted...
Blaqthourne posted...streamofthesky posted...What information did he make false statements about, He is not in trouble for owning a gun and smoking pot. He is in trouble for lying on the 4473. --- ?huh?........ it's just a box. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 08/15/19 8:27:41 PM #25: |
ultra magnus13 posted...
streamofthesky posted...Blaqthourne posted...streamofthesky posted...What information did he make false statements about, ...for lying on the 4473 about smoking pot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultra magnus13 08/17/19 3:00:39 AM #26: |
streamofthesky posted...
ultra magnus13 posted...streamofthesky posted...Blaqthourne posted...streamofthesky posted...What information did he make false statements about, They don't have different punishments for lying on different parts of the form. You intentionally lie on * 4473 = felony. If you lie about your address, because you don't have a new dl yet that's a felony as well. --- ?huh?........ it's just a box. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/17/19 3:07:27 AM #27: |
All these psychos doing mass shootings lately, have any of them been on marijuana at the time
I really doubt it cause if they were theyd have just stayed at home playing a video game and not bothering anybody --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 08/17/19 10:05:10 AM #28: |
ultra magnus13 posted...
streamofthesky posted...ultra magnus13 posted...streamofthesky posted...Blaqthourne posted...streamofthesky posted...What information did he make false statements about, Ok, let me break it down for you: THE CURRENT LAWS ARE FUCKING STUPID The laws care about whether or not a gun buyer does pot. But don't care about them being able to buy a fucking 100 round drum of ammo. Keep pointing out how this guy broke the law. Please. Make it as painfully obvious as possible how fucked up this all is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blighboy 08/17/19 11:15:44 AM #29: |
Mead posted...
All these psychos doing mass shootings lately, have any of them been on marijuana at the time The thing about the devil's lettuce is it can change form to target people more subtly and directly. Sometimes it's a plant. Sometimes it's a video game. But its never a bible. That's the only vaccine. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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