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knightoffire55
08/04/19 11:51:20 PM
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Gonna get really drunk
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sylverlolol
08/04/19 11:51:40 PM
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ok
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au_gold
08/04/19 11:51:58 PM
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But its being written by the writer of Batman v Superman and Justice League.
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HylianFox
08/04/19 11:54:24 PM
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at least train wrecks are fun to watch

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Zack_Attackv1
08/04/19 11:56:06 PM
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I Like Toast
08/05/19 12:03:22 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

Hairistotle posted...
jj can save it. he's great. problem is, i cant get interested in it anymore after TLJ


I'll take rian trying something original over jj remaking a new hope or wrath of Khan. Though Disney should have just done a version of thrawn trilogy, but with Luke a Luke trained or even han/Leia's kids taking over Luke's role in the book.
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AlisLandale
08/05/19 12:04:25 AM
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Hairistotle posted...
jj can save it. he's great. problem is, i cant get interested in it anymore after TLJ


JJ is part of the reason were in this mess. He played his mystery box game and let TFA spin its wheels for two hours retelling the greatest hits of the OT, hoping that someone would play with all the toys he left behind.

The other part of the problem is whoever is in charge of all this, be it Kennedy or Disney or whoever, giving the directors free reign to do whatever they want with no real vision for where this story is supposed to go.

If youre going to go through the effort to get Abrams, who is popular for exactly one reason, you do not let the follow up director have the ability to throw away everything they set up. Its like letting Michael Bay do your first movie and letting the second director go okay, no more explosions. Like why even waste your time on Bay in the first place? >_>

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AlisLandale
08/05/19 12:08:19 AM
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Hairistotle posted...
he set up story points

the next guy knocked everything down like a fat bully stepping on your sand castle at the beach


A movie needs to be more than set up. Nothing he introduced in TFA amounted to anything more than that polar bear from the Lost pilot.

But Im with you on Rian. For all TFAs faults I would have let it slide if it actually went anywhere.

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au_gold
08/05/19 12:12:12 AM
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I Like Toast posted...
I'll take rian trying something original over jj remaking a new hope or wrath of Khan.

JJ didnt write the Star Trek scripts, though. He only directed them.
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IShall_Run_Amok
08/05/19 12:12:15 AM
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Its going to be a train wreck regardless of how good or bad it is, just like the last four Star Wars movies. I had a modicum of fun poking fans during the Last Jedi debacle, but I'll probably do less of that after this one.
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AlisLandale
08/05/19 12:18:15 AM
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Hairistotle posted...
it was. there was a whole movie there

dude yea are you high? it's cuz the next guy said "nah i dont wanna build off another movie"


The difference in execution is in the world building.

Rian is partly able to ignore a lot of Abrams stuff because there was no substance to the teasing. Abrams biggest contribution to world building was copying the Mos Eisley Cantina.

Abrams himself ignored the set up of the previous six movies to tell his own substanceless story. Lets not forget the first major event he had was destroying the entire republic

he literally threw away a prequel trilogy worth of culture and world building and an original trilogy worth of conflict setting that up specifically so he could ask shallow questions like

what did that vision mean?

So yeah Rian is a hack for doing what he did. But not any more or less than one than JJ.

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bloodydeath0
08/05/19 12:21:56 AM
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knightoffire55 posted...
Gonna get really drunk

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Darmik
08/05/19 12:38:34 AM
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Hairistotle posted...
AlisLandale posted...
JJ is part of the reason were in this mess. He played his mystery box game and let TFA spin its wheels for two hours retelling the greatest hits of the OT, hoping that someone would play with all the toys he left behind.

he set up story points

the next guy knocked everything down like a fat bully stepping on your sand castle at the beach

whatever u want to call that, that is a ridiculously stupid move. i'd even call it mean


The problem with the stuff he set up is that either you go for a really obvious 'twist' or you use them as false flags.

The mystery is always more compelling than the answer. Hell part of the reason the OT worked was because there was no reason to suspect a twist. This is why the Like twist was great and the Leia one is a bit flat in comparison too.
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BruceWayneJr
08/05/19 12:40:07 AM
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Don't worry guys, JJ will fix it.

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AlisLandale
08/05/19 12:41:35 AM
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Hairistotle posted...
there is a lot to unpack there. ill give u a proper response when im bored at work tomorrow.


Oh sounds fu-

i will prob be mean just a heads up


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evil_zombie11
08/05/19 12:44:08 AM
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It's gonna be a dumpster fire and I hope it's more garbage than TLJ was lmao
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Offworlder1
08/05/19 12:44:34 AM
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HylianFox posted...
at least train wrecks are fun to watch

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SapphireTech462
08/05/19 12:47:04 AM
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This new series is already a shitshow, make the last one a huge blow out I guess lol
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Offworlder1
08/05/19 12:50:07 AM
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The ST is the game of "how low can you go" for movies but not in a good way.
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I Like Toast
08/05/19 1:26:51 AM
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au_gold posted...

JJ didnt write the Star Trek scripts, though. He only directed them.

He worked with the writer's and gave then their directions. And has candidly spoken about into the darkness being his fault for not having a story to tell that he communicated with the writers.
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stoltenberg11
08/05/19 1:49:25 AM
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I feel like the movie can be at least decent if the whole FO schism thing is done well
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au_gold
08/05/19 1:50:44 AM
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Oh, never mind then. This movie will be a disaster.
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Darmik
08/05/19 2:00:16 AM
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Offworlder1 posted...
The ST is the game of "how low can you go" for movies but not in a good way.


As a Terminator, Alien and Predator fanboy Star Wars guys have it lucky tbh. Even worst case scenario for Rise of Skywalker is probably an average, uninspired movie that feels disjointed from TLJ.

Oh yeah and my favorite childhood movie was The Mask...
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Tryhaptaward
08/05/19 2:00:41 AM
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I bet you the alt-right will raid the review scores again.
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HylianFox
08/05/19 2:14:10 AM
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it's a weird dichotomy

TFA's problem is that it was too safe, and hit all the tired story beats
TLJ's problem is that it threw all that out the window

hard to say which is worse, but TLJ was definitely the more frustrating experience

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AlisLandale
08/05/19 2:27:55 AM
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I wouldn't even mind TLJ much if it didn't purport itself to be original or different. It played the game just as safely as anything else the Dinsey brand churns out. >_>

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Kazi1212
08/05/19 2:51:57 AM
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The Rise of Skywalker? I thought his story was already over with Return of the Jedi.
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Sphyx
08/05/19 2:57:23 AM
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Makes sense, since Train Wreck was a Rise of Skywalker.
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