Board 8 > Official Villain Ranking: MCU Edition

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Red Skull too low.

I don't count his good appearances in this rating because he's not a villain in those appearances.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I think killmonger is my favorite, I wish they kept him around

Marvel's biggest sin is killing off villains. The reason comics are great is because of the storied continuity that gives the world depth. A super-minor villain like a Count Vertigo is such a wonderful, textured thread in a grand tapestry because of years of appearances, and the interactions the characters have with one another build on each other in often surprising and wonderful ways.

Killmonger is a character that is more interesting in a second movie. He's got the potential for a lot of depth, but it's left unrealized in some ways because there's a time limit on the movie, and we have to shoehorn in a boring romantic angle and give Panther his own opportunity to come to terms with his own role in Wakanda.

The reason this confused me so much was I would imagine MBJ is someone they wouldnt mind having locked into a longer term contract to help with phase 4
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Oh really. I haven't read most of it but I've read summaries and seemed to remember Wolverine and Invisible Woman being pretty central to the plot? I dunno this was a while ago.

Then again it is Wolverine maybe that's just "it's Wolverine" I guess
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You would think so; and he seems like a workhorse actor who would WANT to be involved in another franchise like Panther.

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Lopen posted...

Oh really. I haven't read most of it but I've read summaries and seemed to remember Wolverine and Invisible Woman being pretty central to the plot? I dunno this was a while ago.

Then again it is Wolverine maybe that's just "it's Wolverine" I guess

Wolverine is very much just there.

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You responded to me before I finished editing my post D:
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Lets talk more about how Mysterio is great.
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redrocket posted...

Lets talk more about how Mysterio is great.

Berlin scene is the best scene in the MCU.
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Jakie G gave some of the best small facial reactions in Venice and Prague. Go back and watch those scenes. He's such a talented actor and he has such nuance in those scenes.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

You responded to me before I finished editing my post D:

If your idea of a villain is a character with no motivation and flimsy direction who serves as a plot device to transport a character from Point A to Point B in as efficient and simple a manner as possible since it defies the conventions of time and space to do it any other way, than sure.

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Woo then I'm right! :D
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Talk about Thanos some. Love that guy.

Thanos should be 13 for the balance
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Thanos ranks as high as he does by virtue of screentime alone. There's a build, an arc, a subversive repositioning of the character that shifts the paradigm for the audience by providing an opportunity at clarity and therefore empathy... all the pieces are there for good serialized storytelling. And because comics, at their very core, require serialized storytelling to function, a strong argument can be made that Thanos is the best villain of the bunch. I won't look down on that point of view in the slightest.

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too bad he was in endgame for more than two minutes
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If you can't see the difference between Thanos later in the film and Thanos earlier in the film, then you have missed everything that was happening at that point.

The story of Thanos ended. And it was satisfying. The fact that there was an opportunity for catharsis for the characters, and the fact they got greedy... that got Tony Stark and Natasha killed. But Tony and Howard will forever be the villains of the movies so it's only fair that Thanos, a man seeking balance, is given his chance to be the hero and go out putting down the true evil in the MCU.

People like Mysterio have always and will always be right. The Death of Tony Stark signals a true golden age for the 616.

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bring me snapchats of spiderman
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1. Vulture
2. whoever

I don't know if I've ever been as nervous watching a film as the car scene in Homecoming

I mean, we've all seen overprotective parents.

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I still sorta question Yon-Rogg being that high. Like I think Jude Law did a great job with what he was given, but I feel like it didn't really fit with the movie. Maybe if he was in a more well constructed movie where his character has a bigger purpose he could've been really cool, but as is I'm just kinda wondering why he's in the movie.
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Yon-Rogg has a natural charisma that makes his nationalistic motivations seem superficially logical at the start of the film. He also plays as a much more real, dynamic character than Captain Marvel. A fault of that is Marvel's concealed origins. The end result, however, is that she comes across as a sort of motiveless floating "badass" who has no real hook into the plot until the end. For me, Yon-Rogg is this character I desperately want to follow so I can see how he strings his motive and plans together. He's a bad dude, without question, but a good villain is grounded in a consistent logic, and I would love to see more of it. An animosity of the Other is always a strong motivator for the Kree's sort of Andrew Jackson-style persecution of the Skrulls. And since he clearly is still out there, Yon-Rogg could return in a Kree/Skrull War with maybe one or two examples of Skrull wrongdoing that at least make the fight a little less black-and-white. And that would probably resonate really well with real world politics.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

BUT... Daniel Bruhl is a fantastic, underrated actor, and I would definitely bring him back on an apology tour to give that character some real oomph.

Don't know if you heard but they confirmed he will be in the Falcon and Winter Soldier Disney+ series. With a purple mask.

Anyway, is there anything to Sonny Burch other than the Goggins factor?
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Cybat posted...

Don't know if you heard but they confirmed he will be in the Falcon and Winter Soldier Disney+ series. With a purple mask.

Anyway, is there anything to Sonny Burch other than the Goggins factor?

Yeah, I saw that! I have some minor fears about these shows and the possibility that they might coast a bit on the starpower and lack the script polish that is necessary to really make these shows feel like worthy entries into the MCU as they've been billed. But seeing his inclusion has me intrigued. Hopefully with the shackles of the poorly constructed plot of Civil War gone, he can have the chance to really let loose in the role. Zemo in comics is a fantastic character, probably best used in Thunderbolts.

And yes, Goggins factor is pretty important. I absolutely love Ant-Man and the Wasp because, as a superhero movie, it does exactly what I've been waiting to see for a long time. It recaptures the tone of the first and treats a movie like "yet another adventure in this larger universe", where aspects of everything else going on touch the film and new concepts and characters are introduced, but it doesn't feel like I re-origining something or ending something. Goggins is an awesome actor in a fairly small role, all things considered, but he always nails the comedic timing of his character, and that works for me. Nothing fantastic, but serviceable and enjoyable enough. He fulfills his role.
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But you have Ghost so low and she was the thing I liked most from that movie
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I didn't care about her at all. She's another Winter Soldier victim-character. I tend to dislike whiny "Woe-is-Me!" style anti-heroes. They garner no sympathy from me at all. If you have a terrible life and your first stop isn't finding Dr. Strange to magically heal you of all of your ills, then you're an idiot. Unless you hate your brainwashed past of which you have no memory; then you're just a self-loathing emotionally weak loser that should've been thrown down Red Skull's Cliff of Wishes. In any event, I like villains to be unapologetically bad and for writers to create empathy within me for those characters. Don't try to rewrite history after the fact.

I don't want to be fed exposition most of all; that's why Doctor Octopus always worked for me and Ghost just doesn't. I lived through the experiences of Doctor Octopus; his tale wasn't relayed to me afterwards. I have a much deeper appreciation for his trials and tragedy then I do for Lawrence Fishburne's step-thief.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Yon-Rogg has a natural charisma that makes his nationalistic motivations seem superficially logical at the start of the film. He also plays as a much more real, dynamic character than Captain Marvel. A fault of that is Marvel's concealed origins. The end result, however, is that she comes across as a sort of motiveless floating "badass" who has no real hook into the plot until the end. For me, Yon-Rogg is this character I desperately want to follow so I can see how he strings his motive and plans together. He's a bad dude, without question, but a good villain is grounded in a consistent logic, and I would love to see more of it. An animosity of the Other is always a strong motivator for the Kree's sort of Andrew Jackson-style persecution of the Skrulls. And since he clearly is still out there, Yon-Rogg could return in a Kree/Skrull War with maybe one or two examples of Skrull wrongdoing that at least make the fight a little less black-and-white. And that would probably resonate really well with real world politics.

Ok I kinda get that. I think he'd be a lot better for me if Captain Marvel was more focused on the actual Kree Skrull war, than trying too hard to tie the entire movie into the MCU
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BetrayedTangy posted...

Ok I kinda get that. I think he'd be a lot better for me if Captain Marvel was more focused on the actual Kree Skrull war, than trying too hard to tie the entire movie into the MCU

It's a step backwards in terms of storytelling but that's because the writing is asking to cram what should be a more nuanced exploration of the past in the MCU into the story of an amnesiac superhero and give an origin for two things at once. And that's a bad choice. One reason I'm excited about the upcoming Disney+ shows is that the decompression I think these movies need might finally be on display. Six hours to tell a story instead of two and a half should be great.
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I think you mean Thunderbolt Ross is the true #1.
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Ross isn't a villain.
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He is in Civil War.
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Arthur Dent is also in Civil War.
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