Current Events > Why do the deadliest mass shootings in America involve only semiautomatic guns?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Deadliest_mass_shootings_since_1949

is it because automatic weapons are more difficult to procure due to stricter regulation?

makes you think
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This lady said it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDO86iSKWU" data-time="
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I can't own automatic guns. It's not hard to mod it to full auto, scary enough.

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There were approximately 150 thousand registered fully automatic firearms in the US when the 1986 full auto ban was enacted.

There has been no recorded mass shooting with a fully automatic before, or since that bill was signed to law.
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People will still buy their guns in the black market and a gun ban would only harm those who are genuinely responsible.
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CloneTheHero posted...

wouldnt change anything.

by banning semi automatic weapons youre not curing the underlying problem- we have a mental health issue on our hands. besides if these people are truly committed to killing they'll find other ways. the boston bomber used a crude pressure cooker bomb and injured well over 200 people.

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Americans don't care about innocent lives vs looking cool with a gun

Those are facts

CloneTheHero posted...

wouldnt change anything.

by banning semi automatic weapons youre not curing the underlying problem- we have a mental health issue on our hands. besides if these people are truly committed to killing they'll find other ways. the boston bomber used a crude pressure cooker bomb and injured well over 200 people.

The Boston Bomber was a literal terrorist who was being watched by the government (or should have been, I don't remember all the details now).

Most people aren't going to realize their violent fantasies if they don't have access to the right tools to do it. Guns are popular because it gives a person power they otherwise wouldn't have. Get rid of guns and you're left with knives and shit. People can still do stuff with knives, but they're going to be a little more hesitant about it because they're not going to be able to do the same amount of damage and they realize they can be stopped more easily.
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...

People will still buy their guns in the black market and a gun ban would only harm those who are genuinely responsible.

How easy do you people think it is to just go find black market guns? What a terrible argument.
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justaguy3492 posted...

FFVII_REMAKE posted...

People will still buy their guns in the black market and a gun ban would only harm those who are genuinely responsible.

How easy do you people think it is to just go find black market guns? What a terrible argument.

It would probably be easy in America because of how pervasive the gun culture is there. Similar to alcohol during prohibition to some extent. Need to somehow treat the cause along with the symptom.
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It's a definite mental health issue, even if it was truly a gun issue we wouldn't have as many mass shootings. UHC with decent coverage for mental health is a solution.
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Because semi automatic guns are the most common guns. Theses not a lot of people on the market for a single action revolver and the guy who is looking for one probably has a bunch of semi autos already. America isnt banning guns, not when theres more registered guns than citizens. I have no problem with having to do a background check for every gun Ive purchased. And I like that if youve committed a crime you cant buy a gun legally.

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I don't think they would be, no.
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CloneTheHero posted...

it doesnt matter what the bostom bomber was. and he wasnt the first to use a bomb. the point is if you ban semiautomatics, bombs will become more popular. bank on it.

Knives have become the popular tool in most countries that banned guns, not bombs. Acid also sees spikes as well, evidently.
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Mafia bought all the automatics.

Funkydog posted...

CloneTheHero posted...

it doesnt matter what the bostom bomber was. and he wasnt the first to use a bomb. the point is if you ban semiautomatics, bombs will become more popular. bank on it.

Knives have become the popular tool in most countries that banned guns, not bombs. Acid also sees spikes as well, evidently.

Neither is anywhere near as effective at mass murder as a firearm or bomb.
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CloneTheHero posted...

that may be the case but that doesn't necessarily mean those same trends would happen here. we have a rich history of domestic terrorism involving bombs.
should i run through the list of bombings on us soil?

So does Britain, and yet knives were still the weapon of choice we went to.
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it's the same group of people committing these acts this is alot more than a mental issue.

Imagine if trump were to openly condemn these racist groups and focus on them as much as illegal immigrants and a border wall.
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CloneTheHero posted...

Funkydog posted...

CloneTheHero posted...

that may be the case but that doesn't necessarily mean those same trends would happen here. we have a rich history of domestic terrorism involving bombs.
should i run through the list of bombings on us soil?

So does Britain, and yet knives were still the weapon of choice we went to.

lmao wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

you guys are leaders in bombings. holy shit i lost count of how many car bombs took place

Most done by the IRA, yes. A terrorist organisation. Counting them is asinine, but my point was they are a long part of British history and yet didn't shift the "general focus" of criminals/lone monsters into using bombs.

The Gun ban came in to place after most of the IRA's actions and knife crime spiked as a result and bombings didn't.
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CloneTheHero posted...

Funkydog posted...

Most done by the IRA, yes. A terrorist organisation. Counting them is asinine

really? last i checked it still counted as domestic terrorism. and what about david copeland? miles cooper? they werent a part of any terrorist group.

I'm simply talking about how taking guns in general leads to a rise in knife violence, not anything else.
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I think if most of these guys didnt have guns theyd go the drive through a crowd route
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CloneTheHero posted...

wrong again.

there has only been one knife related terrorist incident in Britain and it was in 2013. just admit you were wrong.

Knife crime is on the rise:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/18/knife-crime-england-wales-police
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/27/knife-crime-britain-wales-national-emergency-record-stabbing-homicides/3470942002/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

UK Police are also under-reporting their crime stats:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/18/police-dismiss-one-in-four-sex-crimes-watchdog
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30081682
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

it's the same group of people committing these acts this is alot more than a mental issue.

Imagine if trump were to openly condemn these racist groups and focus on them as much as illegal immigrants and a border wall.

It's a combination of gun culture and availability in the US and the currently prevailing attitude that we're being under attack by other cultures that's become very loud over the last five years or so.

Domestic terrorism follows in the wake of highly public events and movements, whether influenced directly by a message or fear of it, or simply showing that it can be done. It's not some sort of magical coincidence or sudden spike in negative mental health that the last four years have been swamped with young Trump fans doing shit like this any more that it was a coincidence terrorism increased after things like Ruby Ridge.

Radicalization a real, serious threat and it's an active tactic for major political movements in the United States. I've literally seen it happen to people online as well as right in front of me in real time, and it's scary as fuck to watch. They're being told that their identity and culture is being endangered, and incubating their negative thoughts and feelings in communities where violence is treated like a joke and empathy for anyone except yourself is some sort of weakness. And unfortunately because guns are so easy to obtain in the US, it's just a matter of one person taking things too far and deciding that a bloodbath will accelerate their goal, or is the only way to achieve it in the first place.

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Here's actual analysis of the Killer's manifesto and what drove him to deranged violence:

https://crimeresearch.org/2019/08/what-does-the-el-paso-walmart-manifesto-show/

The killers manifesto made a couple of things clear.

1) He is a racist who identifies with the Christchurch shooter. The New Zealand killer was a socialist/environmentalist.

2) The El Paso killer is also an environmentalist. His environmentalism is also the basis for his racism and anti-immigrant views: our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. . . . Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. . . . Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products. . . . So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.

3) The El Paso WalMart killer hates companies and technological change such as automation, but he seems to support at least some Republicans.

4) Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support immigration and work visas.

5) President Trump obviously wants to let more people immigrate to the US, but he wants more people coming based on merit. Obviously that isnt something that this killer would agree with. Nor is the Trump an environmentalist. He is also a dreaded businessman. As the killer says: some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trumps rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.

6) That he anticipated he was going to die: My death is likely inevitable. . . . Capture in this case if [SIC] far worse than dying during the shooting . . . .

7) This killer picked a target that he thought would be an easy target: Remember-it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Dont attack heavily guarded areas to fulfll your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers. Do not throw away your life on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.

8) This killer obviously did a lot of planning, despite his claim to the contrary. From the target to the gun and ammunition used, he tried to figure out the best way to kill as many people as possible.

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CloneTheHero posted...

by banning semi automatic weapons youre not curing the underlying problem- we have a mental health issue on our hands. besides if these people are truly committed to killing they'll find other ways. the boston bomber used a crude pressure cooker bomb and injured well over 200 people.

Sometimes it's not about curing the underlying problem. When I had a tooth infection that caused a bunch of swelling and pain in my mouth, my dentist didn't just say that fixing the swelling wouldn't fix the underlying issue. He gave me shit that made the symptoms better and dealt with the underlying problem at a later time. Mental health may be the infection, but banning guns, or stricter gun control, can be the fucking pain reliever.

"It's not guns, we have a mental health issue"

Bullshit. Sure, we have a mental health issue in America that also needs to be addressed, but first and foremost we have a "white supremacists with easy access to terrifying weapons" issue.
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...

People will still buy their guns in the black market and a gun ban would only harm those who are genuinely responsible.

Yeah im guessing even if all guns where banned and somehow all guns where confiscated people who smuggle drugs over the border would add guns to what they sell cause why not? It would be a new market they could make bank on.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Yeah im guessing even if all guns where banned and somehow all guns where confiscated people who smuggle drugs over the border would add guns to what they sell cause why not? It would be a new market they could make bank on.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Guess why violence skyrocketed during the Prohibition era in the US.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Yeah im guessing even if all guns where banned and somehow all guns where confiscated people who smuggle drugs over the border would add guns to what they sell cause why not? It would be a new market they could make bank on.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Guess why violence skyrocketed during the Prohibition era in the US.

Hell didn't folks do this in the 1800s when they sold weapons and booze to the natives ?
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Hell didn't folks do this in the 1800s when they sold weapons and booze to the natives ?

Yeah, and that didn't turn out well either.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Yeah im guessing even if all guns where banned and somehow all guns where confiscated people who smuggle drugs over the border would add guns to what they sell cause why not? It would be a new market they could make bank on.

The people that smuggle drugs into America also smuggle guns out of America, because its much cheaper and easier to get weapons in the US than down there. They actually secretly lobby in conjunction with the NRA because they need those guns to continue flowing through South America.
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