Poll of the Day > Muller to Congress: Trump's Wrong, I didn't exonerate him

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ClarkDuke 07/24/19 3:36:34 PM #1:	https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-testimony-former-special-counsel-testifies-before-congress?via=twitter_page To add to this, today Mueller confirmed that President Trump ordered his staff to pressure the White House lawyer to lie to Special Counsel investigators.[1] Mueller also answered that he declined to decide to charge the President because of Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel opinion stating that the department cannot indict a sitting president.[2] Beginning on page 112 of Volume 2 Special Counsel Mueller confirms that President Trump attempted to fire the Special Counsel. The following pages of text detail the fall-out between the President and former White House Counsel Don McGahn as the President attempted to convince McGahn to lie to investigators about firing Mueller.[3] Page 112 Volume II of the Mueller Report The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel Overview In late January 2018, the media reported that in June 2017 the President had ordered McGahn to have the Special Counsel fired based on purported conflicts of interest but McGahn had refused, saying he would quit instead. After the story broke, the President, through his personal counsel and two aides, sought to have McGahn deny that he had been directed to remove the Special Counsel. Each time he was approached, McGahn responded that he would not refute the press accounts because they were accurate in reporting on the President's effort to have the Special Counsel removed. The President later personally met with McGahn in the Oval Office with only the Chief of Staff present and tried to get McGahn to say that the President never ordered him to fire the Special Counsel. McGahn refused and insisted his memory of the President's direction to remove the Special Counsel was accurate. In that same meeting, the President challenged McGahn for taking notes of his discussions with the President and asked why he had told Special Counsel investigators that he had been directed to have the Special Counsel removed. 1. The Independent - Mueller testimony: Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie, special counsel confirms 2. CNN - Mueller says the OLC opinion guided his investigation 3. Department of Justice - Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In the 2016 Presidential Election --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:925128624] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-testimony-former-special-counsel-testifies-before-congress?via=twitter_page To add to this, today Mueller confirmed that President Trump ordered his staff to pressure the White House lawyer to lie to Special Counsel investigators.[1] Mueller also answered that he declined to decide to charge the President because of Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel opinion stating that the department cannot indict a sitting president.[2] Beginning on page 112 of Volume 2 Special Counsel Mueller confirms that President Trump attempted to fire the Special Counsel. The following pages of text detail the fall-out between the President and former White House Counsel Don McGahn as the President attempted to convince McGahn to lie to investigators about firing Mueller.[3] Page 112 Volume II of the Mueller Report The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel Overview In late January 2018, the media reported that in June 2017 the President had ordered McGahn to have the Special Counsel fired based on purported conflicts of interest but McGahn had refused, saying he would quit instead. After the story broke, the President, through his personal counsel and two aides, sought to have McGahn deny that he had been directed to remove the Special Counsel. Each time he was approached, McGahn responded that he would not refute the press accounts because they were accurate in reporting on the President's effort to have the Special Counsel removed. The President later personally met with McGahn in the Oval Office with only the Chief of Staff present and tried to get McGahn to say that the President never ordered him to fire the Special Counsel. McGahn refused and insisted his memory of the President's direction to remove the Special Counsel was accurate. In that same meeting, the President challenged McGahn for taking notes of his discussions with the President and asked why he had told Special Counsel investigators that he had been directed to have the Special Counsel removed. 1. The Independent - Mueller testimony: Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie, special counsel confirms 2. CNN - Mueller says the OLC opinion guided his investigation 3. Department of Justice - Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In the 2016 Presidential Election</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 07/24/19 4:59:00 PM #2:	i'd be very interested to hear what @Zeus thought of this, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:925132395] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>i'd be very interested to hear what @Zeus thought of this, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/24/19 5:23:08 PM #3:	Did Mueller at least answer, in plain and simple English, that "yes, in my professional opinion there was enough evidence to justify an indictment" and that "the only reason I did not recommend to indict Trump is because the Dept. of Justice doesn't allow a sitting president to be indicted"? He already said so in his report, but said it in such a round about and verbose way that those basic facts seem to be ignored or claimed as false. Getting him to say it, clear cut, was kind of super important. Bonus points if they got him to state on the record that the Dept. of Justice's policy to not indict a sitting president has never actually been tested in a court of law to see if it is actually correct legal principle. (Because even beyond Trump, that policy is fucking bs and basically puts the president above the law, and I'd like to see more acknowledgement that it's not some ironclad rule coded into the actual law) <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:925133412] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Did Mueller at least answer, in plain and simple English, that "yes, in my professional opinion there was enough evidence to justify an indictment" and that "the only reason I did not recommend to indict Trump is because the Dept. of Justice doesn't allow a sitting president to be indicted"? He already said so in his report, but said it in such a round about and verbose way that those basic facts seem to be ignored or claimed as false. Getting him to say it, clear cut, was kind of super important. Bonus points if they got him to state on the record that the Dept. of Justice's policy to not indict a sitting president has never actually been tested in a court of law to see if it is actually correct legal principle. (Because even beyond Trump, that policy is fucking bs and basically puts the president above the law, and I'd like to see more acknowledgement that it's not some ironclad rule coded into the actual law)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 07/24/19 5:29:03 PM #4:	"Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?" Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) asked Mueller during the former special counsel's testimony. "Yes," Mueller replied. Buck appeared to be taken aback, and asked the question again, but adding whether Mueller believed a president could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office. The former special counsel again said he believed that was the case. Mueller has pointed to Department of Justice (DOJ) guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted as preventing his office from even considering whether to charge Trump with a crime. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/454502-mueller-trump-could-be-charged-with-obstruction-of-justice-after @streamofthesky is that clear enough? --- Not a doctor. Shh! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:925133664] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>"Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?" Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) asked Mueller during the former special counsel's testimony. "Yes," Mueller replied. Buck appeared to be taken aback, and asked the question again, but adding whether Mueller believed a president could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office. The former special counsel again said he believed that was the case. Mueller has pointed to Department of Justice (DOJ) guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted as preventing his office from even considering whether to charge Trump with a crime. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/454502-mueller-trump-could-be-charged-with-obstruction-of-justice-after @streamofthesky is that clear enough? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/24/19 5:33:26 PM #5:	Not as strong a question as I'd have liked, but bonus points for it coming from a Republican who thought it would bolster Trump, cuz... lol The Dems should get Mueller's view on the five year statute of limitations then. In plenty of cases with such SoL laws, it can be "frozen" for a period of time if it's impossible to actually charge the alleged criminal. Considering a lot of the evidence dates to 2016 and if they wait till he leaves office in Jan 2021 (I hope...), it may well already be too late by then to get a court case through before that 5 year mark hits. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:925133833] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Not as strong a question as I'd have liked, but bonus points for it coming from a Republican who thought it would bolster Trump, cuz... lol The Dems should get Mueller's view on the five year statute of limitations then. In plenty of cases with such SoL laws, it can be "frozen" for a period of time if it's impossible to actually charge the alleged criminal. Considering a lot of the evidence dates to 2016 and if they wait till he leaves office in Jan 2021 (I hope...), it may well already be too late by then to get a court case through before that 5 year mark hits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 07/24/19 7:24:01 PM #6:	Aculo posted... i'd be very interested to hear what @Zeus thought of this, ok? same here, since he's the most aware of Trump's political stances, of course, ok? Doctor Foxx posted... "Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?" Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) asked Mueller during the former special counsel's testimony. "Yes," Mueller replied. Buck appeared to be taken aback, and asked the question again, but adding whether Mueller believed a president could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office. The former special counsel again said he believed that was the case. Mueller has pointed to Department of Justice (DOJ) guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted as preventing his office from even considering whether to charge Trump with a crime. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/454502-mueller-trump-could-be-charged-with-obstruction-of-justice-after @streamofthesky is that clear enough? agreed, no man, or woman, should be above the law, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:925138657] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Aculo posted...</cite> <quote>i'd be very interested to hear what @Zeus thought of this, ok?</quote> same here, since he's the most aware of Trump's political stances, of course, ok? Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>"Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?" Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) asked Mueller during the former special counsel's testimony. "Yes," Mueller replied. Buck appeared to be taken aback, and asked the question again, but adding whether Mueller believed a president could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office. The former special counsel again said he believed that was the case. Mueller has pointed to Department of Justice (DOJ) guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted as preventing his office from even considering whether to charge Trump with a crime. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/454502-mueller-trump-could-be-charged-with-obstruction-of-justice-after @streamofthesky is that clear enough? </quote> agreed, no man, or woman, should be above the law, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 07/24/19 7:27:05 PM #7:	Trumpists are mad today. --- :) <cite>HornedLion posted [p:925138781] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Trumpists are mad today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 07/24/19 8:08:55 PM #8:	I am actually amazed he remembered that considering that the majority of his answers was that he couldn't remember shit or that he refused to get into any detail. Even Michael Moore admits that his testimony was a fucking failure of epic proportions. --- "No reasons why anyone can't pay their employees 15$ an hour." "Then pay your employees 15$ an hour." "No." -Bernie <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:925140416] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>I am actually amazed he remembered that considering that the majority of his answers was that he couldn't remember shit or that he refused to get into any detail. Even Michael Moore admits that his testimony was a fucking failure of epic proportions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/25/19 12:25:09 PM #9:	Guess this goes here? Mueller tells House panel Trump asked staff to falsify records. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454528-mueller-confirms-president-asked-staff-to-falsify-records-related-to Total exoneration. No collusion. Fake news witch hunt. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925166486] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Guess this goes here? Mueller tells House panel Trump asked staff to falsify records. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454528-mueller-confirms-president-asked-staff-to-falsify-records-related-to Total exoneration. No collusion. Fake news witch hunt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/25/19 12:28:10 PM #10:	At least all that corruption is coming to light. Better late than never. Of course, rural America still thinks he is looking out for the general populace and not the rich elite. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:925166626] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>At least all that corruption is coming to light. Better late than never. Of course, rural America still thinks he is looking out for the general populace and not the rich elite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 07/25/19 12:35:53 PM #11:	SunWuKung420 posted... At least all that corruption is coming to light. Better late than never. Of course, rural America still thinks he is looking out for the general populace and not the rich elite. oh look who's back. did you do a lot of soul searching? did you pray to whatever it is you have on your back? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:925166949] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>At least all that corruption is coming to light. Better late than never. Of course, rural America still thinks he is looking out for the general populace and not the rich elite.</quote> oh look who's back. did you do a lot of soul searching? did you pray to whatever it is you have on your back?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/25/19 12:37:15 PM #12:	SunWuKung420 posted... Of course, rural America still thinks he is looking out for the general populace and not the rich elite. Like the abused spouse they keep defending him. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925167016] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course, rural America still thinks he is looking out for the general populace and not the rich elite.</quote> Like the abused spouse they keep defending him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/26/19 2:45:57 PM #13:	Did you guys watch the same testimony as I did? Because that was a total disaster for mueller and the dems. It's clear that someone behind the scenes was actually in charge of the investigation or he is suffering from dementia. He didnt even know what fusion gps was! Lmao that's like the whole reason the investigation even happened. Dude seemed legit confused the entire time <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925218889] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Did you guys watch the same testimony as I did? Because that was a total disaster for mueller and the dems. It's clear that someone behind the scenes was actually in charge of the investigation or he is suffering from dementia. He didnt even know what fusion gps was! Lmao that's like the whole reason the investigation even happened. Dude seemed legit confused the entire time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 07/26/19 3:38:34 PM #14:	It's only a "disaster" because Republicans absolutely do not care about Trump's crimes. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:925221061] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>It's only a "disaster" because Republicans absolutely do not care about Trump's crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/26/19 4:02:10 PM #15:	Phantom_Nook posted... It's only a "disaster" because Republicans absolutely do not care about Trump's crimes. So this whole investigation was worth figuring out that trump told someone to lie once? Wow so worth it <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925222041] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote>It's only a "disaster" because Republicans absolutely do not care about Trump's crimes.</quote> So this whole investigation was worth figuring out that trump told someone to lie once? Wow so worth it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 07/26/19 4:23:21 PM #16:	OhhhJa posted... So this whole investigation was worth figuring out that trump told someone to lie once? Wow so worth it He's getting impeached as we are speaking! I mean, never mind that even MSNBC and CNN admit that it was a failure all-around. Never mind that never Trumpers like Michael Moore admit it was a disaster. Obviously we learned so much that Trump is going to be removed any minute now! --- "I believe our country should be more fearful of white men." -Totally not racist or sexist, anti-semite Ilhan Omar <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:925222846] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>So this whole investigation was worth figuring out that trump told someone to lie once? Wow so worth it</quote> He's getting impeached as we are speaking! I mean, never mind that even MSNBC and CNN admit that it was a failure all-around. Never mind that never Trumpers like Michael Moore admit it was a disaster. Obviously we learned so much that Trump is going to be removed any minute now!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 07/26/19 6:40:50 PM #17:	OhhhJa posted... Phantom_Nook posted... It's only a "disaster" because Republicans absolutely do not care about Trump's crimes. So this whole investigation was worth figuring out that trump told someone to lie once? Wow so worth it Obviously it's not going to bother you if you have no standards. --- https://imgtc.com/i/gl6tuJ6.png <cite>Blighboy posted [p:925228282] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote>It's only a "disaster" because Republicans absolutely do not care about Trump's crimes.</quote> So this whole investigation was worth figuring out that trump told someone to lie once? Wow so worth it</quote> Obviously it's not going to bother you if you have no standards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 07/26/19 8:45:15 PM #18:	OhhhJa posted... Did you guys watch the same testimony as I did? Because that was a total disaster for mueller and the dems. It's clear that someone behind the scenes was actually in charge of the investigation or he is suffering from dementia. He didnt even know what fusion gps was! Lmao that's like the whole reason the investigation even happened. Dude seemed legit confused the entire time Today, being entertaining, trumps being virtuous or competent, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:925232754] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Did you guys watch the same testimony as I did? Because that was a total disaster for mueller and the dems. It's clear that someone behind the scenes was actually in charge of the investigation or he is suffering from dementia. He didnt even know what fusion gps was! Lmao that's like the whole reason the investigation even happened. Dude seemed legit confused the entire time</quote> Today, being entertaining, trumps being virtuous or competent, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 07/28/19 4:05:05 AM #19:	appears there was criticism of Mueller, for not being exciting when speaking, ok? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/mueller-wins-facts-loses-tv/ --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:925284075] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>appears there was criticism of Mueller, for not being exciting when speaking, ok? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/mueller-wins-facts-loses-tv/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joemodda 07/28/19 6:18:02 AM #20:	We got him now! But unlike the last twenty times, this time will be different! --- The sin is not in being outmatched, but in failing to recognize it -Ancestor <cite>joemodda posted [p:925285833] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>We got him now! But unlike the last twenty times, this time will be different!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 07/28/19 6:23:04 AM #21:	joemodda posted... We got him now! But unlike the last twenty times, this time will be different! The Drumpf is getting impeached at this very moment! --- "I believe our country should be more fearful of white men." -Totally not racist or sexist, anti-semite Ilhan Omar <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:925285908] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>joemodda posted...</cite> <quote>We got him now! But unlike the last twenty times, this time will be different!</quote> The Drumpf is getting impeached at this very moment!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/28/19 11:50:54 AM #22:	ClarkDuke posted... appears there was criticism of Mueller, for not being exciting when speaking, ok? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/mueller-wins-facts-loses-tv/ Naw he lost because he seemed lost I dont think he was actually in charge of the investigation. If he was, he wouldve known what fusion gps was <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925292738] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>ClarkDuke posted...</cite> <quote>appears there was criticism of Mueller, for not being exciting when speaking, ok? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/mueller-wins-facts-loses-tv/</quote> Naw he lost because he seemed lost I dont think he was actually in charge of the investigation. If he was, he wouldve known what fusion gps was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/28/19 4:46:53 PM #23:	Adam Schiff said the most "chilling" portion of Mueller's testimony was his confirmation that Russia never stopped interfering in U.S. politics. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455054-schiff-mueller-confirmed-russia-is-at-it-again Sickening that Russia, a country with an economy smaller than South Korea, can buy off and out play us. Even more sickening how easily our voters are fooled. Education matters so much, people. We are handicapping entire generations in ways that other nations with free education are not, all for the profiteers. In that way, our greed will be our downfall if we don't wake up in 2020. This is what happens when country spends several decades demonizing and mocking philosophy and the humanities. We've seen the sort of anti-intellectualism that prevails in the US preceeding a lot of fascist governments: China, Russia, Cambodia, Franco-era Spain. The first people they go after are the intellectuals and the artists. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925302824] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Adam Schiff said the most "chilling" portion of Mueller's testimony was his confirmation that Russia never stopped interfering in U.S. politics. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455054-schiff-mueller-confirmed-russia-is-at-it-again Sickening that Russia, a country with an economy smaller than South Korea, can buy off and out play us. Even more sickening how easily our voters are fooled. Education matters so much, people. We are handicapping entire generations in ways that other nations with free education are not, all for the profiteers. In that way, our greed will be our downfall if we don't wake up in 2020. This is what happens when country spends several decades demonizing and mocking philosophy and the humanities. We've seen the sort of anti-intellectualism that prevails in the US preceeding a lot of fascist governments: China, Russia, Cambodia, Franco-era Spain. The first people they go after are the intellectuals and the artists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/28/19 4:51:31 PM #24:	Republicans know they cant win without gerrymandering districts and blocking all proposals to protect elections from outside influences --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925303000] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Republicans know they cant win without gerrymandering districts and blocking all proposals to protect elections from outside influences</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 07/28/19 7:50:05 PM #25:	OhhhJa posted... ClarkDuke posted... appears there was criticism of Mueller, for not being exciting when speaking, ok? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/mueller-wins-facts-loses-tv/ Naw he lost because he seemed lost I dont think he was actually in charge of the investigation. If he was, he wouldve known what fusion gps was you'll need to expand on this, ok? Mead posted... Republicans know they cant win without gerrymandering districts and blocking all proposals to protect elections from outside influences you might be onto something, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:925309229] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>ClarkDuke posted...</cite> <quote>appears there was criticism of Mueller, for not being exciting when speaking, ok? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/mueller-wins-facts-loses-tv/</quote> Naw he lost because he seemed lost I dont think he was actually in charge of the investigation. If he was, he wouldve known what fusion gps was</quote> you'll need to expand on this, ok? Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans know they cant win without gerrymandering districts and blocking all proposals to protect elections from outside influences</quote> you might be onto something, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 07/28/19 8:39:16 PM #26:	No collusion folks! -Trump 2019 /eyeroll <cite>Monopoman posted [p:925311012] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>No collusion folks! -Trump 2019 /eyeroll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/30/19 8:44:35 PM #27:	Mead posted... Republicans know they cant win without gerrymandering districts and blocking all proposals to protect elections from outside influences Sad but true. Enter the apologists why gerrymandering is hip an cool. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925404026] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Republicans know they cant win without gerrymandering districts and blocking all proposals to protect elections from outside influences</quote>Sad but true. Enter the apologists why gerrymandering is hip an cool. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/31/19 4:58:02 PM #28:	Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925442882] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/31/19 6:58:14 PM #29:	OhhhJa posted... Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country Nice links. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925447876] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country</quote>Nice links. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/31/19 7:06:38 PM #30:	OhhhJa posted... Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country BoTh SiDeSSss!!!! --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925448248] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country</quote> BoTh SiDeSSss!!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/31/19 7:10:18 PM #31:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... OhhhJa posted... Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country Nice links. He didnt provide any either. Show your bias more <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925448421] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country</quote>Nice links. </quote> He didnt provide any either. Show your bias more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/31/19 7:15:31 PM #32:	OhhhJa posted... He didnt provide any either. Show your bias more You're so hostile it's difficult to take your side. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925448594] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>He didnt provide any either. Show your bias more</quote>You're so hostile it's difficult to take your side. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 07/31/19 7:49:56 PM #33:	Mead posted... OhhhJa posted... Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country BoTh SiDeSSss!!!! Well ..yes <cite>dedbus posted [p:925450013] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Both parties use different methods to secure votes in different regions of the country</quote> BoTh SiDeSSss!!!! </quote> Well ..yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 07/31/19 8:12:05 PM #34:	Yeah, I hate that Democrats resort to bussing people to polling places! Why can't they do some honest gerrymandering like the Republicans? --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:925450951] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I hate that Democrats resort to bussing people to polling places! Why can't they do some honest gerrymandering like the Republicans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/01/19 1:49:03 PM #35:	GanonsSpirit posted... Yeah, I hate that Democrats resort to bussing people to polling places! Why can't they do some honest gerrymandering like the Republicans? Ha like gerrymandering hasn't been going on forever and only Republicans are to blame for it lol Also wanting to provide amnesty for every swinging dick because they know that helps them out regardless of the effect and whether or not that includes violent criminals How much better or different is it than gerrymandering when you intentionally just chereypick people that you know are going to vote for you? It's not like they're gonna be bussing in disabled boomers that cant drive wearing maga hats <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925481048] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I hate that Democrats resort to bussing people to polling places! Why can't they do some honest gerrymandering like the Republicans?</quote> Ha like gerrymandering hasn't been going on forever and only Republicans are to blame for it lol Also wanting to provide amnesty for every swinging dick because they know that helps them out regardless of the effect and whether or not that includes violent criminals How much better or different is it than gerrymandering when you intentionally just chereypick people that you know are going to vote for you? It's not like they're gonna be bussing in disabled boomers that cant drive wearing maga hats</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 1:53:30 PM #36:	Helping people get to the polls is obviously just as corrupt as reshaping districts to give an unbalanced level of power to a minority of voters and leaving our election system open to exploitation from foreign adversaries its of course just two equal sides of the same coin --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925481239] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Helping people get to the polls is obviously just as corrupt as reshaping districts to give an unbalanced level of power to a minority of voters and leaving our election system open to exploitation from foreign adversaries its of course just two equal sides of the same coin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/01/19 2:20:27 PM #37:	Mead posted... Helping people get to the polls is obviously just as corrupt as reshaping districts to give an unbalanced level of power to a minority of voters and leaving our election system open to exploitation from foreign adversaries its of course just two equal sides of the same coin https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925482453] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Helping people get to the polls is obviously just as corrupt as reshaping districts to give an unbalanced level of power to a minority of voters and leaving our election system open to exploitation from foreign adversaries its of course just two equal sides of the same coin </quote> https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 2:21:39 PM #38:	OhhhJa posted... https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil Golly its almost like we need common sense laws to ban the use of gerrymandering entirely --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925482506] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil</quote> Golly its almost like we need common sense laws to ban the use of gerrymandering entirely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/01/19 3:07:28 PM #39:	Mead posted... OhhhJa posted... https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil Golly its almost like we need common sense laws to ban the use of gerrymandering entirely I wouldn't be against that. I'm just arguing against your incorrect assertion that this is some system solely created and manipulated by republicans <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:925484357] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil</quote> Golly its almost like we need common sense laws to ban the use of gerrymandering entirely </quote> I wouldn't be against that. I'm just arguing against your incorrect assertion that this is some system solely created and manipulated by republicans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 3:24:48 PM #40:	OhhhJa posted... I wouldn't be against that. I'm just arguing against your incorrect assertion that this is some system solely created and manipulated by republicans Not at all, but currently it is being abused by them more prevalently Im glad we can agree that corrupt practices like that should have no place in a democratic government, by either side --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925485064] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I wouldn't be against that. I'm just arguing against your incorrect assertion that this is some system solely created and manipulated by republicans</quote> Not at all, but currently it is being abused by them more prevalently Im glad we can agree that corrupt practices like that should have no place in a democratic government, by either side </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 08/03/19 2:30:47 AM #41:	OhhhJa posted... Mead posted... OhhhJa posted... https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil Golly its almost like we need common sense laws to ban the use of gerrymandering entirely I wouldn't be against that. I'm just arguing against your incorrect assertion that this is some system solely created and manipulated by republicans well it is, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:925552670] in Muller to ... [t:77886787]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it Dont mean to burst your bubble but like I said, it's not black and white. One side isnt some beacon of morality while the other is demonic. They're all doing whatever they can to secure votes no matter what. Dont be that guy that thinks everything is some comic book sense of good vs evil</quote> Golly its almost like we need common sense laws to ban the use of gerrymandering entirely </quote> I wouldn't be against that. I'm just arguing against your incorrect assertion that this is some system solely created and manipulated by republicans</quote> well it is, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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