Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 229 - Swalwell that ends well

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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 11:59:06 AM
#51:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-he-raped-me-when-i-was-n1028011

Epstein needs to rot in jail for the rest of his life
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red sox 777
07/10/19 12:15:18 PM
#52:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
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Democrats have repeatedly dropped the ball. They fold when they have a winning hand and go all-in with losing hands. Over and over.


didn't obama win in '12?


Sure. He got absolutely nothing done in his second term though.
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red sox 777
07/10/19 12:20:02 PM
#53:


And this impeachment thing is a great example of this. The more Democrats talk about impeachment based on things the country is not ready to impeach for, the more room they give Trump to push the envelope. They lose credibility when they talk about impeachment and don't do it. And if they did it, it would result in exoneration so they would also lose credibility.

So what should they do? Don't talk about impeachment publicly until there is a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. If it gets to that point, don't talk about impeachment, just do it.
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red sox 777
07/10/19 12:27:00 PM
#54:


As for Pelosi, she is severely compromised from years of leading the incompetent Democratic caucus (not really her fault, she's been captain of a leaking ship). But she looks at her party, and she doesn't see anyone able to take over. The only one of them with any political talent is AOC and she's only been in Congress for 6 months.

Long term, it's good for AOC to spar a bit with Pelosi. She's going to be party leader in the future and she needs the experience and the credibility this fight gives her.
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 1:35:39 PM
#55:


LordoftheMorons posted...
So yesterday (I think?) the DoJ said that most of the lawyers working on the census case were going to withdraw and be replaced with a bunch of other lawyers who don't typically do this type of case. The judge denied the motion for all but two of the attorneys (who had left the DoJ or the Civil division) and is demanding that they explain why they're requesting to withdraw (not clear if they chose to drop because they were uncomfortable with Trump's demands, or if Trump ordered them replaced):

https://twitter.com/ssamcham/status/1148705384531730433

DoJ responds by not addressing the judge's question at all:
https://twitter.com/jgeltzer/status/1148965326874271745
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red sox 777
07/10/19 1:40:04 PM
#56:


LordoftheMorons posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
So yesterday (I think?) the DoJ said that most of the lawyers working on the census case were going to withdraw and be replaced with a bunch of other lawyers who don't typically do this type of case. The judge denied the motion for all but two of the attorneys (who had left the DoJ or the Civil division) and is demanding that they explain why they're requesting to withdraw (not clear if they chose to drop because they were uncomfortable with Trump's demands, or if Trump ordered them replaced):

https://twitter.com/ssamcham/status/1148705384531730433

DoJ responds by not addressing the judge's question at all:
https://twitter.com/jgeltzer/status/1148965326874271745


This sounds like a confidentiality issue, where these attorneys' client has ordered them not to reveal the real reason. And well, they have a duty of confidentiality that is about as absolute as it gets.
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Peace___Frog
07/10/19 1:46:27 PM
#57:


Don't shit in the sink.
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HashtagSEP
07/10/19 1:51:17 PM
#58:


They addressed it

By literally saying "Fuck you, we don't care, they're already working and nothing you say matters."
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 2:06:28 PM
#59:


red sox 777 posted...
This sounds like a confidentiality issue, where these attorneys' client has ordered them not to reveal the real reason. And well, they have a duty of confidentiality that is about as absolute as it gets.

Isn't their client the United States and not Donald Trump?
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red sox 777
07/10/19 2:30:17 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
red sox 777 posted...
This sounds like a confidentiality issue, where these attorneys' client has ordered them not to reveal the real reason. And well, they have a duty of confidentiality that is about as absolute as it gets.

Isn't their client the United States and not Donald Trump?


I don't think that makes the conundrum any easier. The United States can't speak except through a natural person, so generally it speaks through its president, much like corporations speak through their boards of directors or CEOs.

I suppose the problem is if the new lawyers request extensions of deadlines because they just got into the case. If the old lawyers quit, it would be reasonable to grant the extensions, since it's not the client's fault. But if the client fired the old lawyers and replaced them with new ones who needed a lot of time to get up to speed on the case, then it's really on the client for doing that and he shouldn't be given extensions to accomodate his choice to change representation when by all reasonable measures there was nothing wrong with his previous attorneys.

If the client wants to delay the case to gain an advantage, which Trump is probably a grandmaster at (and brazen enough to claim that the US government needs 6 months to print forms and then immediately go back on that a day or two after the super urgent deadline), changing lawyers and then demanding extensions is a way of doing that. And of course he would order his lawyers not to reveal this, so the court wouldn't be able to know for sure.
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 2:30:36 PM
#61:


https://twitter.com/RobertFoster4MS/status/1148791254513258496

The top reply to this is great
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 5:10:18 PM
#62:


All kinds of conspiracy theorists and deplorables (to use one of red soxs favorite terms) are going to be at the White House tomorrow to meet with Trump:

https://twitter.com/bmakuch/status/1149055585574428673?s=21
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red sox 777
07/10/19 5:38:59 PM
#63:


These people are vicious and totally crazed, but remember, there are far more great people (Deplorables) in this country, than bad. Do to them what they do to you.


Quote from Trump's twitter. Context is encouraging people to support free speech by shopping at Home Depot.
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 5:43:24 PM
#64:


Context is Trump using the office of the presidency to help enrich a political supporter/donor

That type of thing would be scandalous in a normal administration, but for Trump it's all priced in to the fact that everybody knows he's an amoral piece of shit!
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Ashethan
07/10/19 5:46:44 PM
#65:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/RobertFoster4MS/status/1148791254513258496


You know, if men have trouble being alone with women, maybe only female candidates should be allowed to run?
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 5:50:19 PM
#66:


Ashethan posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/RobertFoster4MS/status/1148791254513258496


You know, if men have trouble being alone with women, maybe only female candidates should be allowed to run?

Oh looks like the top reply changed. The one I was referring to was "If your wife cant trust you why should anyone else?"
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red sox 777
07/10/19 5:50:49 PM
#67:


Ashethan posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/RobertFoster4MS/status/1148791254513258496


You know, if men have trouble being alone with women, maybe only female candidates should be allowed to run?


But if that logic held, they would have trouble being alone with men. Clearly the only solution is to deny all journalists access to all candidates!
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Ashethan
07/10/19 6:01:09 PM
#68:


red sox 777 posted...
But if that logic held, they would have trouble being alone with men.


You're right. We need to dig deeper. Of the women who I could find on wikipeida who had sex scandals... all of them were Republican. So clearly only Democrat Women should be allowed to run for office. Thank you for pointing out the flaw in my logic.
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Nrrr
07/10/19 6:17:10 PM
#69:


https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1148971914687160322

Yet another example of this phenomenon!

Edit: lol the campaign apparently made this

https://berniesanders.com/anti-endorsements/
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TheRock1525
07/10/19 6:21:39 PM
#70:


I never knew the Power Rangers hated the Jews!
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Mega Mana
07/10/19 6:40:43 PM
#71:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Ashethan posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/RobertFoster4MS/status/1148791254513258496


You know, if men have trouble being alone with women, maybe only female candidates should be allowed to run?

Oh looks like the top reply changed. The one I was referring to was "If your wife cant trust you why should anyone else?"


This one?

https://twitter.com/AlexandraErin/status/1148966452076208128

Because I was totally going to link it because it's so good.
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LordoftheMorons
07/10/19 6:45:54 PM
#72:


It was this one:
https://twitter.com/alendrel/status/1148967066294034432
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ChaosTonyV4
07/10/19 6:47:04 PM
#73:


Nrrr posted...
https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1148971914687160322

Yet another example of this phenomenon!

Edit: lol the campaign apparently made this

https://berniesanders.com/anti-endorsements/


The absolute gall of these people, and the moronic (presumably middle-class) Democrats who agree with it.
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red sox 777
07/10/19 6:53:56 PM
#74:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nrrr posted...
https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1148971914687160322

Yet another example of this phenomenon!

Edit: lol the campaign apparently made this

https://berniesanders.com/anti-endorsements/


The absolute gall of these people, and the moronic (presumably middle-class) Democrats who agree with it.


They are so stupid. At some point there is really nothing to say to these people other than #ThisIsWhyYouLost.
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Dancedreamer
07/11/19 1:08:10 AM
#75:


I feel like the problem with the Democratic Party is all the infighting. Establishment Dems will be quick to blame the progressive wing, but their disdain for progressives isn't well hidden. It's too easy for them to ignore the needs of solid blue districts in order to try to win a numbers game, but then when they have the numbers they don't do what they need to do.
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red sox 777
07/11/19 12:40:43 PM
#76:


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/11/private-prison-firms-profiting-trump-immigration-policy

So, it turns out the public employees pension plans in both New York and California are both heavily invested in private prison companies that have been used to lock up immigrants. In fact, the NY and CA plans are the top 2 investors, among public pensions, in GEO Group and CoreCivic.

Liberal hypocrisy!
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LordoftheMorons
07/11/19 12:43:43 PM
#77:


Gonna take a wild guess and say that those individual workers weren't polled on what stocks to include in that portfolio
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NFUN
07/11/19 1:12:19 PM
#78:


hypocrisy!
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HeroDelTiempo17
07/11/19 1:40:03 PM
#79:


Great example of how capitalism forces people and governments to make unethical choices to maximize revenue. They should divest, as the article notes there are calls to action for and some groups and banks have already complied with. Also, people in charge of setting policies that have made investment in private prisons more lucrative should be removed from office.

Thanks for bringing this issue to attention, the article is very informative.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/11/19 2:48:26 PM
#80:


red sox 777 posted...
Sure. He got absolutely nothing done in his second term though.


true, but by saying "the democrats go all-in with losing hands over and over," you make it sound as if there have been republican presidents for the past 40 years. seems like kind of an overreaction after one loss by the dems.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/11/19 2:51:34 PM
#81:


Nrrr posted...
https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1148971914687160322

Yet another example of this phenomenon!

Edit: lol the campaign apparently made this

https://berniesanders.com/anti-endorsements/


saban has always been an asshole.
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red sox 777
07/11/19 3:09:58 PM
#82:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Sure. He got absolutely nothing done in his second term though.


true, but by saying "the democrats go all-in with losing hands over and over," you make it sound as if there have been republican presidents for the past 40 years. seems like kind of an overreaction after one loss by the dems.


Only the last 10 years. Before that, Democrats were smarter. Over the past 10 years, Democrats have lost the presidency, the House, the Senate, many state legislatures, many governorships, and a generation of federal judges. Their signature policy has had its core provision repealed and has proven to be completely ineffective at best and horrifically counterproductive at worst, as healthcare costs have continued to skyrocket. Democrats are now staring down a future in which they could consistently beat Republicans by 5% in the national popular vote and not get an iota of power in government.
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LordoftheMorons
07/11/19 3:57:34 PM
#83:


Tom Steyer starting off his quixotic campaign with some terrible ideas:
https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1149374570954207237?s=21
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red sox 777
07/11/19 4:05:30 PM
#84:


Glad we agree on at least one thing, LOTM. Tom Steyer is awful.
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LordoftheMorons
07/11/19 4:11:04 PM
#85:


He could be doing some very useful things with his money to help the Dems. He has absolutely no chance of winning, so I dont know what the logic is in running. Maybe no one around a billionaire is willing to tell them when theyre being delusional?

Anyway, I know that term limits sound good to a lot of people (even though the polisci consensus is that they make things worse as inexperience led lawmakers rely even more on lobbyists), but I dont know how you can look at the CA referendum system and say yeah, this would be a great thing to take national!
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Dancedreamer
07/11/19 4:23:15 PM
#86:


I think the Senate needs term limits, but not the house. The house has elections every 2 years, is very localized, and you can and should be able to build influence. But the Senate isn't supposed to be as politicized as it is.
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LordoftheMorons
07/11/19 4:27:07 PM
#87:


https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1149413140683247620?s=21

(The whole thread is bizarre)
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ChaosTonyV4
07/11/19 4:38:33 PM
#88:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Anyway, I know that term limits sound good to a lot of people (even though the polisci consensus is that they make things worse as inexperience led lawmakers rely even more on lobbyists


Oh weird, maybe limit lobbying too, then?
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LordoftheMorons
07/11/19 4:42:38 PM
#89:


Well the fundamental problem isnt just that they listen to lobbyists (which is itself not necessarily a bad thing) but that the reason they rely on lobbyists is that they dont have experience writing legislation (writing good legislation is hard!). The fact is that we already have a mechanism for removing lawmakers that have overstayed their welcome: the elections themselves.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/11/19 4:46:44 PM
#90:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1149345683138367491

what you have now, so great looking and smart, a true Stable Genius!


uh oh, trump has been looking at ben garrison drawings of himself again
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red sox 777
07/11/19 4:48:59 PM
#91:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Well the fundamental problem isnt just that they listen to lobbyists (which is itself not necessarily a bad thing) but that the reason they rely on lobbyists is that they dont have experience writing legislation (writing good legislation is hard!). The fact is that we already have a mechanism for removing lawmakers that have overstayed their welcome: the elections themselves.


Yes, and they rely on unpaid interns for their staff, resulting in a revolving door of staff that never stays around long enough to become good at drafting legislation.
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NFUN
07/11/19 4:59:55 PM
#92:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1149345683138367491

what you have now, so great looking and smart, a true Stable Genius!


uh oh, trump has been looking at ben garrison drawings of himself again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A" data-time="


Ha! I knew this must've existed
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Jakyl25
07/11/19 5:38:23 PM
#93:


Trumps Social Media Summit is peak dementia

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1149417247540219905?s=21

Trump: "There's no doubt in my mind that I should have millions and millions - I have millions of people, so many people I wouldn't believe it, but I know that we've been blocked, People come up to me and they say, 'Sir, I can't get you. I can't follow you.'"

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red sox 777
07/11/19 6:26:35 PM
#94:


Trump announced he gave up on the census question.
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MoogleKupo141
07/11/19 6:28:07 PM
#95:


lol loser
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red sox 777
07/11/19 6:37:30 PM
#96:


You gotta know when to cut your losses and declare bankruptcy.
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kevwaffles
07/12/19 9:46:17 AM
#97:


Acosta resigned
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Reg
07/12/19 9:49:48 AM
#99:


kevwaffles posted...
Acosta resigned

And the Administration has given up on the Census shit
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Metal_DK
07/12/19 10:01:19 AM
#100:


Wow how many times has this happened in his administration.

"Maybe if i stop the census question that will take over the news and not the acosta epstein stuff"

"Maybe if i sign to reopen the government cohen will be glossed over."

If you want to get trump to not fuck you over, gotta expose the adminstration. Use the casual revolution of 2007 to your fucking advantage please!
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Reg
07/12/19 10:08:11 AM
#101:


Metal_DK posted...
"Maybe if i stop the census question that will take over the news and not the acosta epstein stuff"

At least this time it's the morons doing a good thing (relatively speaking) as a distraction, instead of trying t one-up their shittyness.

And this isn't keeping Epstein out of the news, either.
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