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LethalAffinity
07/04/19 3:37:55 PM
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I'm still not sure what to think with this whole "casting non white people in white roles" thing. Honestly in this case I'm not a fan. Ariel the Little Mermaid is iconic for how she looks, and mermaids are distinctly European folklore. The original story is German Danish. As far as I can tell the only reason to cast a non white person in this role is to look 'woke'. Especially since there are already so few roles for gingers, and ginger hair often leads to bullying.

I think a much better idea is to create stories about PoC instead of commandeering stories about white people. Moana, Black Panther, that kind of thing.
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sktgamer_13dude
07/04/19 3:38:16 PM
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1NfamousACE_2
07/04/19 3:38:47 PM
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Make sure you get an actress with a tail
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Banjo2553
07/04/19 3:39:01 PM
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Let's be honest, even if they did go for someone lighter skinned, they still wouldn't have picked a ginger.
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gunplagirl
07/04/19 3:39:06 PM
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DK9292
07/04/19 3:39:24 PM
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LethalAffinity posted...
"casting non white people in white roles"

Unless it's actually tied to race somehow, there is no such thing.

Judge people by the quality of their acting, not their skin colour. This applies for the reverse too.
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Lost_All_Senses
07/04/19 3:40:50 PM
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ssjevot
07/04/19 3:42:33 PM
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When fictional creatures have a human racial identity. Did they get a purple person to play Ursula?
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boxington
07/04/19 3:42:34 PM
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there are different conceptions of mermaids across different cultures around the world, and I don't think the Little Mermaid was originally a redhead; that was a Disney thing
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MorbidFaithless
07/04/19 3:47:48 PM
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I think it's hard to say that the little mermaid is a movie about white people......
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 10:57:40 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
I think it's hard to say that the little mermaid is a movie about white people......


What exactly would make a movie about white people? Is it even possible to have a movie where being white is a central aspect of the main character?

I'll defend Disney's casting decision. But it just dawned on me that there's essentially no way to make whiteness a central aspect of a character.
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-DeezNutz-
07/04/19 10:58:13 PM
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:01:37 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
MorbidFaithless posted...
I think it's hard to say that the little mermaid is a movie about white people......


What exactly would make a movie about white people? Is it even possible to have a movie where being white is a central aspect of the main character?

I'll defend Disney's casting decision. But it just dawned on me that there's essentially no way to make whiteness a central aspect of a character.


I can't imagine a black John Smith in Pocahontas.

Then again I doubt they'll ever make that movie again.

I don't think Merida from Brave will ever be played by a minority.
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Delirious_Beard
07/04/19 11:03:54 PM
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wasn't john smith the only american-accented settler in the movie?
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RoboLaserGandhi
07/04/19 11:05:38 PM
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Here goes the endless cycle of liberals telling everyone to stop caring about white roles being taken by minorities and conservatives telling liberals to stop caring about minority roles taken by white people.

I can't be the only one who sees the endless pointless pendulum of bullshit here.
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cuttin_in_farm
07/04/19 11:05:42 PM
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I mean... Ariel is like Mary Jane. Race is whatever. But I do agree that the red hair is a trademark.
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 11:06:05 PM
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Darmik posted...
I can't imagine a black John Smith in Pocahontas.

Then again I doubt they'll ever make that movie again.


What, you mean they'll never again romanticize a thirty-something white male being sexually intimate with a Native American teenager and then abandoning her? It could happen.
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troll_swag
07/04/19 11:06:11 PM
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Darmik posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
MorbidFaithless posted...
I think it's hard to say that the little mermaid is a movie about white people......


What exactly would make a movie about white people? Is it even possible to have a movie where being white is a central aspect of the main character?

I'll defend Disney's casting decision. But it just dawned on me that there's essentially no way to make whiteness a central aspect of a character.


I can't imagine a black John Smith in Pocahontas.

Then again I doubt they'll ever make that movie again.

I don't think Merida from Brave will ever be played by a minority.

Well I mean those were people whos race/ethnicity actually played a part in their character.

Y'all are upset over a FUCKING MERMAID
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MisterPengy
07/04/19 11:07:43 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Is it even possible to have a movie where being white is a central aspect of the main character?


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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 11:08:11 PM
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Ethnicity plays a part in The Little Mermaid.

The story takes place in...

...in...

...in a very white seafaring kingdom whose name is never actually mentioned. Which makes it wrong to change the characters' looks!

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RoboLaserGandhi
07/04/19 11:08:57 PM
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troll_swag posted...
Well I mean those were people whos race/ethnicity actually played a part in their character.

Y'all are upset over a FUCKING MERMAID

Iconic image is just as important as story relevance.
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:09:28 PM
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Anyone who is upset about white Ariel but likes Jason Momoa as Aquaman is an outright hypocrite tbh.
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 11:09:50 PM
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Iconic image is important. Which is why the lead will be dyeing her hair red for the part.
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RoboLaserGandhi
07/04/19 11:11:31 PM
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Darmik posted...
Anyone who is upset about white Ariel but likes Jason Momoa as Aquaman is an outright hypocrite tbh.

Comic book characters have loose canon and go through many different looks.
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:12:10 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Darmik posted...
Anyone who is upset about white Ariel but likes Jason Momoa as Aquaman is an outright hypocrite tbh.

Comic book characters have loose canon and go through many different looks.


As opposed to the rigid Disney Princess canon?
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troll_swag
07/04/19 11:12:30 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
troll_swag posted...
Well I mean those were people whos race/ethnicity actually played a part in their character.

Y'all are upset over a FUCKING MERMAID

Iconic image is just as important as story relevance.

Important to who?

Middle aged white men? Crying over a FUCKING kids movie?
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DeadBankerDream
07/04/19 11:13:21 PM
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I'd say I hope they keep her red hair, but I really don't care enough about a film I'm never going to see to actually have hopes regarding it.
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RoboLaserGandhi
07/04/19 11:13:24 PM
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Darmik posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Darmik posted...
Anyone who is upset about white Ariel but likes Jason Momoa as Aquaman is an outright hypocrite tbh.

Comic book characters have loose canon and go through many different looks.


As opposed to the rigid Disney Princess canon?

The rigidity of her having exactly one movie appearance as opposed to thousands of comics and many different timelines and artistic interpretations.
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ultimate reaver
07/04/19 11:15:02 PM
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i have real strong opinions about childrens movies as well
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RoboLaserGandhi
07/04/19 11:15:51 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
i have real strong opinions about childrens movies as well

I bet you would if they took a black character and made them white. Don't lie.
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:16:24 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
The rigidity of her having exactly one movie appearance as opposed to thousands of comics and many different timelines and artistic interpretations.


Everything that has different timelines and artistic interpretations had only one appearance at one point.

It's a live action remake that's nearly 30 years later. Of course they're going to have some new artistic interpretations.
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troll_swag
07/04/19 11:18:28 PM
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These are probably the same people that cried about Black Panther's predominantly black cast
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 11:19:46 PM
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To be fair, it can't realistically be said that The Little Mermaid has had one appearance. She had her own animated series, a straight to video sequel, an appearance in Wreck-It Ralph II, and multiple appearances on Disney's House of Mouse. She's also a regular for merchandising.

The thing is that this movie is not the same Ariel you grew up with in the same way that Aladdin is not the same version you grew up with or The Jungle Book is not the same version that you grew up with. It's a new take which is meant to deviate from the source material rather than replicate it in live action. And for what they're going for, there's no harm in changing her appearance a bit.
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RoboLaserGandhi
07/04/19 11:20:07 PM
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Darmik posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
The rigidity of her having exactly one movie appearance as opposed to thousands of comics and many different timelines and artistic interpretations.


Everything that has different timelines and artistic interpretations had only one appearance at one point.

It's a live action remake that's nearly 30 years later. Of course they're going to have some new artistic interpretations.

Just saying, it's not a comic universe so we're not planning on having a ton of different media appearances. This is presumably the one live action adaptation.
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:20:49 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Darmik posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
The rigidity of her having exactly one movie appearance as opposed to thousands of comics and many different timelines and artistic interpretations.


Everything that has different timelines and artistic interpretations had only one appearance at one point.

It's a live action remake that's nearly 30 years later. Of course they're going to have some new artistic interpretations.

Just saying, it's not a comic universe so we're not planning on having a ton of different media appearances. This is presumably the one live action adaptation.


Sure mate. Disney will stick to one adaptation. That's what they do.
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DeadBankerDream
07/04/19 11:22:30 PM
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Darmik posted...
Sure mate. Disney will stick to one adaptation. That's what they do.

They've made like 10 or 12 of these live action adaptions by now and the only one getting a sequel is Maleficent.
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:28:14 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Darmik posted...
Sure mate. Disney will stick to one adaptation. That's what they do.

They've made like 10 or 12 of these live action adaptions by now and the only one getting a sequel is Maleficent.


Because that's their recent trend of keeping their properties relevant.

It's Disney. Their money making IP's will never die. They're rebooting Pirates of the Caribbean and just released a sequel to Mary Poppins.

If it becomes popular to remake these movies in Pixar style they'd start doing that for every single movie too.
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 11:35:04 PM
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Darmik posted...
They're rebooting Pirates of the Caribbean


People want their redhead, right? Maybe this time around, the film franchise can follow the gun-toting woman who used to be a victim of the wench auction before they changed the ride to be less offensive.

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PikachuMaxwell
07/04/19 11:39:31 PM
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-I don't have a lot of attachment to Ariel or "The Little Mermaid", so I don't really care about the change overall.

-But I admit if that they made someone I'm more attached to (like Rapunzel) black, I would feel somewhat disappointed. But that's just my honesty speaking.

-However, even if I care a lot about a character's looks it's not the end of the world. I simply won't see the new movie if I am really that concerned about her looks. I would cherish the original movie more if that's the case.

-Though, I've developed more of an open mind these past few years and am willing to give movies a shot no matter who the actors/actresses are and what they look like. As someone else said, anybody can play any role.

-And I think the tweet posted made a good point: it's about time to have more black leads when white leads have been dominating the industry for so long.

That's just how I honestly feel about this situation.
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/19 11:42:33 PM
#42:


PikachuMaxwell posted...
-But I admit if that they made someone I'm more attached to (like Rapunzel) black, I would feel somewhat disappointed. But that's just my honesty speaking.


The only thing you have to apologize for is finding Rapunzel more attractive than Ariel.
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PikachuMaxwell
07/04/19 11:43:53 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
PikachuMaxwell posted...
-But I admit if that they made someone I'm more attached to (like Rapunzel) black, I would feel somewhat disappointed. But that's just my honesty speaking.


The only thing you have to apologize for is finding Rapunzel more attractive than Ariel.


I love really long hair though. Blonde is also my fave hair color. Sorry!
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DeadBankerDream
07/04/19 11:44:38 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
The only thing you have to apologize for is finding Rapunzel more attractive than Ariel.

She's Mandy Moore and she doesnt have gillslits.
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ElatedVenusaur
07/04/19 11:46:50 PM
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They have humans play aliens all the time, even though Bjork is right there.
I literally can't see the problem here. Ariel is a fictional character in a fictional universe, and it is not as though Disney is planning to scour the animated classic from the face of the Earth. They cast a black woman to be a mermaid. Deal with it, cupcakes.
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Darmik
07/04/19 11:48:24 PM
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Tbh I'd be surprised if Rapunzel is ever changed from a blonde white woman. It's not a very flexible concept.

Stuff like Cinderella can be told in almost any setting. Mermaids are from a fictional underwater world that can be interpreted in a massive amount of ways.
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Skye Reynolds
07/05/19 12:01:22 AM
#47:


Darmik posted...
Tbh I'd be surprised if Rapunzel is ever changed from a blonde white woman. It's not a very flexible concept.


Tonight I learned that all ethnic groups besides white women have short hair.
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BreakevenCloud
07/05/19 12:03:50 AM
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Seems a bit strange just based on the fact they tried to stay relatively true in all the other live action remakes.
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DeadBankerDream
07/05/19 12:05:00 AM
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BreakevenCloud posted...
Seems a bit strange just based on the fact they tried to stay relatively true in all the other live action remakes.

No they didnt
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Darmik
07/05/19 12:16:52 AM
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BreakevenCloud posted...
Seems a bit strange just based on the fact they tried to stay relatively true in all the other live action remakes.


Baloo went from grey to brown

Scar isn't orange with a black mane

Gaston isn't some huge buff guy

The Sultan isn't a short little fat guy

Etc.
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