Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 18: It Was the Best of Lynches

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

There is no guarantee Mafia attacked 5tarscream and not Lolo

....Tom Bombadil posted...

then you'd need an explanation for two kills tonight and no kills the previous night

and also why they'd wanna kill Lolo with two scanners on the board

also 5tar is mostly cleared via me
also he is very unlikely to have bussed red in such a fashion

So the only way 5tar is cleared is by you

And the only way you are cleared is by Ben

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lea
Death
Puns
Lopen
Camarija

This is the unscanned list, yes? Did I miss anyone?

You and Sheep are flavor scanned, Sbell is regular scanned, I'm both, 5tar and Ben are pretty safe scanner bets, that's everybody if I can count
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Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

There is no guarantee Mafia attacked 5tarscream and not Lolo

....Tom Bombadil posted...

then you'd need an explanation for two kills tonight and no kills the previous night

and also why they'd wanna kill Lolo with two scanners on the board

also 5tar is mostly cleared via me
also he is very unlikely to have bussed red in such a fashion

So the only way 5tar is cleared is by you

And the only way you are cleared is by Ben

5tar is mostly cleared by logic
also mostly cleared by lolo/corrik
also cleared by me

I am cleared by him in addition to ben
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Camarija posted...

Yeah, I'm not feeling the logic for how 5tarscream is cleared via corrik and lolo

It's not just meta that clears him. Look at his play and look at how it would have to line up with Red and Luis on his team. Dude is so town.

Admittedly I'm a bit biased here since he cleared me, but I would hope that's understandable.

I'm not following your logic

The only player certainly not aligned with Red and Luis is myself

5tar just had to bus a dude and claim flavor cop to ride the wave

5tar literally never even mentioned or responded to Luis

wut

Camarija posted...

5tar just had to bus a dude

yes, he "bussed" one of the strongest players in the game, who was a power role, who was almost clear of danger

do we have hard and incontrovertible proof he's not scum? not really
is it remotely likely he's scum? not really
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

There is no guarantee Mafia attacked 5tarscream and not Lolo

....Tom Bombadil posted...

then you'd need an explanation for two kills tonight and no kills the previous night

and also why they'd wanna kill Lolo with two scanners on the board

also 5tar is mostly cleared via me
also he is very unlikely to have bussed red in such a fashion

So the only way 5tar is cleared is by you

And the only way you are cleared is by Ben

5tar is mostly cleared by logic
also mostly cleared by lolo/corrik
also cleared by me

I am cleared by him in addition to ben

Again, 5tar is not cleared by Lolo/Corrik at all

Why?

Because while lolo protected 5tar and the death of Lolo was delayed; Corrik delayed Lolo, not 5tar, correct?

Therefore Mafia could have easily just attacked Lolo since he claimed bodyguard, and rode the 5tar is clear wave as hard as possible? right?

This IS a possibility? Logically?

The only way 5tar is cleared is by you apparently, and you are cleared by Ben apparently

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

5tar just had to bus a dude

yes, he "bussed" one of the strongest players in the game, who was a power role, who was almost clear of danger

do we have hard and incontrovertible proof he's not scum? not really
is it remotely likely he's scum? not really

He was going down dude

We had him day 1

Cam is really beating the "I had red and Luis on a scum list day one!!!!" horse into the ground.

You know who else did that? DEATH

Yeah, I don't see why 5tar is clear

I just don't

Camarija posted...

Therefore Mafia could have easily just attacked Lolo since he claimed bodyguard, and rode the 5tar is clear wave as hard as possible? right?

This IS a possibility? Logically?

The only way 5tar is cleared is by you apparently, and you are cleared by Ben apparently

I....guess?

I am also cleared by 5tar.
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How did Cam react to the cop claim yesterday I forget
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Camarija posted...

Yeah, I don't see why 5tar is clear

I just don't

clearly
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Lea3Lea posted...

Cam is really beating the "I had red and Luis on a scum list day one!!!!" horse into the ground.

You know who else did that? DEATH

It's a little early to start playing these angles Lea

Stop the badness

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Therefore Mafia could have easily just attacked Lolo since he claimed bodyguard, and rode the 5tar is clear wave as hard as possible? right?

This IS a possibility? Logically?

The only way 5tar is cleared is by you apparently, and you are cleared by Ben apparently

I....guess?

I am also cleared by 5tar.

Ok, you're cleared by both 5tar AND ben?

I thought you were only confirmed by Ben

5tar scanned me last night because I redirected him

this is also how my clear on him worked
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Tom Bombadil posted...

5tar scanned me last night because I redirected him

this is also how my clear on him worked

Oh sick

OK

SO!

He said what your flavor was first?

Or did you say your flavor first?

I'm getting there, thank you for bearing with me

you could just read back >_>

everybody flavor claimed yesterday
he said that he was redirected to me
then I confirmed I had targetted him
then he said what he got on me which is in fact my flavor (to be fair it would be a really easy scan to guess, I'd imagine)
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This is why I really struggle to believe Cam has been sincere at any point this entire game

Tom Bombadil posted...

you could just read back >_>

everybody flavor claimed yesterday
he said that he was redirected to me
then I confirmed I had targetted him
then he said what he got on me which is in fact my flavor (to be fair it would be a really easy scan to guess, I'd imagine)

:(

That loses a lot of oomph

But, I will trust with two "cop" scans that you're not Mafia afterall

My main issue is that, I don't trust 5tarscream

Lea3Lea posted...

This is why I really struggle to believe Cam has been sincere at any point this entire game

Say what you want

I'll keep being the GOAT villager

Saving bodyguards and nailing Mafia day after day

Have fun doing whatever you're doing

yeah like he COULD still be scum but that requires a lot of weird and unlikely things to all be true at the same time
-Lolo kill over Corrik and Ben
-A really, REALLY ballsy play with Red early on
-Him guessing that I targeted him or having some other mafia power role that I redirected instead and he got notified about it somehow (or I'm his Godfather scumbuddy, or Ben and he and I are ALL scum and you have no scanners)

One of those on its own....yeah maybe. All three? Nahhhh.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

yeah like he COULD still be scum but that requires a lot of weird and unlikely things to all be true at the same time
-Lolo kill over Corrik and Ben
-A really, REALLY ballsy play with Red early on
-Him guessing that I targeted him or having some other mafia power role that I redirected instead and he got notified about it somehow (or I'm his Godfather scumbuddy, or Ben and he and I are ALL scum and you have no scanners)

One of those on its own....yeah maybe. All three? Nahhhh.

We have a lot of time to figure it out

I just don't want something that isn't certain to be treated as certain

But I understand from your point of view

I get it

Chances are after their song and dance with Red, you are right, they are probably Town

But they are not certainly Town

In any event, it's not something I'd be willing to pursue today/tomorrow

Sure!
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Lea
Death
Puns
Lopen
Camarija

This is the unscanned list, yes? Did I miss anyone?

The only person I think is Mafia in here is Death

I could maybe see Lopen as Mafia

But between Lea and Puns

Yeah, I just don't think they're Mafia unless they really like bussing

Death you still claiming Mary Shelley? What you make of Pez's flip?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

yeah like he COULD still be scum but that requires a lot of weird and unlikely things to all be true at the same time
-Lolo kill over Corrik and Ben
-A really, REALLY ballsy play with Red early on
-Him guessing that I targeted him or having some other mafia power role that I redirected instead and he got notified about it somehow (or I'm his Godfather scumbuddy, or Ben and he and I are ALL scum and you have no scanners)

One of those on its own....yeah maybe. All three? Nahhhh.

Yeah.

I feel like if we just go Death -> Lopen -> Cam -> Lea -> Puns, the game ends. And they can only kill one scanner tonight, so more people on that list will get cleared. This game likely only needs 2-3 more lynches, max.

I'm fine with this but, I just don't really think Lea or Puns are Mafia

So I don't trust to game to end there

Camarija posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lea
Death
Puns
Lopen
Camarija

This is the unscanned list, yes? Did I miss anyone?

The only person I think is Mafia in here is Death

I could maybe see Lopen as Mafia

But between Lea and Puns

Yeah, I just don't think they're Mafia unless they really like bussing

well then if those are all clean then you gotta find maf in the scanners and the people they've cleared >_>
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Also, what do you have to do to NOT get mislynched other than continuously nail Mafia and save bodyguard from mislynch?

I'm curious how logic works here

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lea
Death
Puns
Lopen
Camarija

This is the unscanned list, yes? Did I miss anyone?

The only person I think is Mafia in here is Death

I could maybe see Lopen as Mafia

But between Lea and Puns

Yeah, I just don't think they're Mafia unless they really like bussing

well then if those are all clean then you gotta find maf in the scanners and the people they've cleared >_>

I hope the deaths that come will make it clear eventually

follow the game and contribute to town
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Puns is not mafia, I just have him at the end of the list for OCD completion sake. The final scum are in Death/Lopen/Cam/Lea.

I hope this wins the game

I'm looking through the list and if I had to add one name at the end, it would be you or 5tar I guess

Tom Bombadil posted...

follow the game and contribute to town

I literally dropped sick notes day 2

No one cared

UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

One thing sticking out in my mind is I said to red during the part where he'd given up that if there really was an SK it would be ulti. Then the following day 5tar revealed a scan on Ulti.

"lol SK talk" but like I can't ignore this fact

If they scanned me as SK one of the claimed scum would have just outright said so on the way out, they wouldnt sit there and give my real flavor just because especially with how easy of a mislynch I could be given past behavior. And given were very ahead now (Death is pretty much 99.99% scum and I will not allow ANY other lynches), lol sk talk is no longer a valid criticism. Youre right to consider one. If we do have a third party though its not me.

Based on the night kills, I think us having a traditional serial killer is off the table. Theres no extra kills outside that second mafia kill on night 2, which is just way too many nights to hide at this point.

If I had to guess, *if* this game has a third party its probably Voldemort (Camarija) whose wincon is needing Harry Potter dead. Just a pure gut hunch. Cam is the clear lynch choice tomorrow unless a scanner says otherwise.

I say otherwise

I think cam's town!
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Anyway

Not a whole lot left to say

I'm fine with the POE if the crowd is fine with it

It's a team game and if we lose, we lose together

But just know, I am the best, around, no one's ever gonna bring me down

I'm the best, AROUND

NO ONES EVER GONNA BRING ME DOOOOOOOWOWWWWWN

Camarija posted...

Also, what do you have to do to NOT get mislynched other than continuously nail Mafia and save bodyguard from mislynch?

I'm curious how logic works here

Claim Miller

get rid of your roommate
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Trying to mislynch an uncountered cop claim with two guilty scans is obviously suicidal. But with two/four guilty scans and protection still alive and no roleblocker, scum likely had very few ways to still win the game without getting Ben mislynched yesterday. So even though Lopen spent the day pre-emptively defending himself, and at the end saying he was too scummy to be scum in true WIFOM, but I don't think he had any any other option. His arguments against Ben were very good with the lack of breadcrumbing his scans, but they fell apart with the basic "why would scum do this" question. I don't think he ever had an answer for this that wasn't a big reach. Plus his soft defending of Luis day one.

Cam has also been defending Lopen in recent times, so if/when Lopen flips scum that will be potentially very significant. I don't think Voldemort as flavour miller really makes a ton of sense. 5tar claimed before Cam, so Cam claiming his actual flavour makes sense. I've thought Cam has been playing dumb ever since his day one about me posting here instead of the scumboard, or Red fetishing violence against him. This extends to him somehow missing every claim and game action. It really doesn't seem like the type of things a normal mindset would lead to outside of a big ruse. I haven't read a single one of his posts that has pinged "yeah that's what a rational town actor talks like". He's trying to get entirely too much credit for doing entirely too little.

wait that was lolo not puns

I hecked up my joke :(
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Camarija posted...

But between Lea and Puns

Yeah, I just don't think they're Mafia unless they really like bussing

Which mafia have I bussed? Which mafia have bussed me?