Poll of the Day > Let me put this straight about my stances on healthcare.

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I am against single-payer healthcare.
I am for a public option.
Does this make me some kind of nazi?
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literally no one cares

go clean your floors
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speaking of health... dead birds and dog shit aren't healthy
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If everyone ate healthy and exercised, I wouldn't mind universal healthcare at all. I really think everyone should have access to it.

The majority of Americans eat like total fatasses and have little self control, so them turning to medicine is like a boat with a leak and trying to use buckets to get the water out when they don't realize patching the leak would be the proper fix.

Sorry not sorry. I really want everyone to be healthy and have total access to healthcare that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to pay back as much as the next guy, but instead of proposing a viable solution I'm going to be the douche who says what no one wants to hear.

Just got done paying off a $7,000 hospital bill for a life threatening ectopic pregnancy surgery my wife had to have, but guess what? I told her the same thing. Fuck Big Pharma too.
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RedPixel posted...

If everyone ate healthy and exercised, I wouldn't mind universal healthcare at all. I really think everyone should have access to it.

This goes back to what I always bring up when the subject of health care or social security comes up - namely, it's easy to accept the necessity of social safety nets when you live in a mostly homogeneous society where most people are similar and feel like they're just as likely to need it as anyone else, so it feels "fair". But when you live in the most heterogeneous population in the world where radical social, cultural, and economic disparity exists, and there's a very strong feeling that some people will exploit and take advantage of the system at the expense of others, so some people are always going to feel like they're being victimized to help support people who don't actually deserve it.

It's a problem that can be offset if the safety net is run effectively, but we've had decades worth of being convinced that our government can't run anything effectively or efficiently, so we have no real faith they'd ever manage to balance things.


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Fuck the public option. That shit should have been done ten years ago, but Obama was a weak little bitch like most Democrat politicians and did the Republican plan. We need single payer now, not some bullshit half measure.

RedPixel posted...

The majority of Americans eat like total fatasses and have little self control, so them turning to medicine is like a boat with a leak and trying to use buckets to get the water out when they don't realize patching the leak would be the proper fix.

As common as this sentiment is, it's actually wrong. Objectively so. On average, those who live generally healthy lives and happily survive into their 90's are the ones that end up costing health care systems more money, since it gets really, really expensive to cover all the health problems that naturally show up when people get that old. The ones who are morbidly obese and die of a heart attack at 60 cost more than healthier 60-year-olds, certainly, but those healthier 60-year-olds spend another 30 years racking up healthcare costs and needing joint replacements and pacemakers and caretakers, all of which add up to a whole lot more than a couple heart attacks.

Is it still going to rub people the wrong way to end up paying for self-inflicted health problems? Sure. But it's not actually going to cost them more money than it would if they were only paying for people with healthier lifestyles, since a healthy lifestyle just means you get to spend more later on. You're probably never going to convince Americans to prioritize objective, practical data above individualistic principles with no grounds in practicality, since that's kind of their thing, but it's nonetheless objectively wrong to complain so much about funding bad habits.

No one cares
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

literally no one cares

go clean your floors

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CaptainStrong posted...

Fuck the public option. That shit should have been done ten years ago, but Obama was a weak little bitch like most Democrat politicians and did the Republican plan. We need single payer now, not some bullshit half measure.

It wouldn't solve the actual problem regardless. What we really need is reform on the billing side, so hospitals and the like aren't charging $400 for a single Tylenol.

The only reason health care is such a necessity in the US in the first place is because pricing is astronomical. When a foreigner with no real insurance can walk into a hospital in Australia and get stitches and wind up paying $100 or so out of pocket, but Americans wind up getting charged $1000+ for the same procedure on the assumption that "Ehh, insurance will pick most of it up anyway, and the co-pay will just be $80 or so", it sort of points to what the actual problem is.

But that will never be fixed, because the people who benefit from it the most have more than enough money to pay Congress to ignore it.


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just leave it as it is
opt out
pay the 800 bucks
and some people that just strolled across the border will get it instead
miguel who is 13 (17) will also get to go to school too.
it's a win win
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

literally no one cares

go clean your floors

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Mead posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

literally no one cares

go clean your floors

i wonder if there's fecal stains on his wood flooring, ok?
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I feel the TC and Zangulus could be good friends, ok?
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