Current Events > Watching Chernobyl ep 3 and it has the worst version of a trope*spoils thru ep3*

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I can't think of another time I've seen a movie or show with a worse case of "Wife who disregards all instructions and rules because of love"

Guard: "This hospital is closed"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
General: "I'm busy and you can't go see your husband"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
General: "Ok he's going to moscow but you can't leave the town"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
General: "Fine go to moscow"
Moscow hopsital lady: "I can't talk about your husband"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
Moscow hopsital lady: "Ok he's upstairs but you can't see your husband"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
Other moscow hospital lady: "You shouldn't be up here"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
Other moscow hospital lady: "Ok, you can see your husband but ONLY 30 MINUTES and DO NOT TOUCH HIM!"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE" *Goes in husband's room, immediately touches him a lot and doesn't leave for like 30 hours*
Other moscow hospital lady: "Jesus, you are still here? You have to leave RIGHT NOW"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE"
Other moscow hospital lady: "FINE you can see your husband as he dies but you ABSOLUTELY MUST STAY BEHIND THE PLASTIC"
Wife: "BUT LLLLLOOOOOVE" *immediately goes in front of plastic to touch husband, also reveals she's pregnant which she lied to 2nd hospital lady about earlier*

Don't get me wrong, it's a good show, but jesus lady have you ever met a rule you listened to?

Thank god nobody in the show was like "I'm sorry but your husband is behind the door to the main reactor and if you open it everybody in russia will die" because she definitely would open that door.
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Literally no one explained what the problem was and radiation was something she had no education about. I don't see the big deal.
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Don't get me wrong, it's a good show, but jesus lady have you ever met a rule you listened to?
You realize her story is from a true account right?

The knowledge of the effects of radiation poisoning werent as known as now

No one was telling her anythibg other than dont do it. She didnt know the dangers.
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FF_Redux posted...

No one was telling her anythibg other than dont do it. She didnt know the dangers.

How many people do you need to tell you "absolutely don't do X" before you listen? Or at least ask why?

I'm not sure why people are defending her, she was acting stupid, that's fine and plausible, but let's not get silly and pretend this was smart or something.
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FF_Redux posted...

No one was telling her anythibg other than dont do it. She didnt know the dangers.

If a nurse tells you to not touch a petient, which happens to look like he's fucking melting alive, would you disobey?
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joe40001 posted...

let's not get silly and pretend this was smart or something.

I don't think anyone is campaigning for her to win a fucking Nobel prize, just saying that her actions are understandable in her ignorance.
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DrizztLink posted...

joe40001 posted...

let's not get silly and pretend this was smart or something.

I don't think anyone is campaigning for her to win a fucking Nobel prize, just saying that her actions are understandable in her ignorance.

She's acting very irrationally but somewhat understandably. That wasn't my point. My point was more about how the same:
"You can't do X" / "Well I'm going to disregard that because I'm in love"
Exchange played out 8 to 10 times in a small amount of time.

I've noticed this trope before in various media, and I don't mean to imply it didn't happen that way by calling it a trope, but I've never seen it this strongly and this densely in any media that I can think of.
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The nurse asked her if she was pregnant and she said no. She had to have known that it was not safe for pregnant women.
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joe40001 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

joe40001 posted...

let's not get silly and pretend this was smart or something.

I don't think anyone is campaigning for her to win a fucking Nobel prize, just saying that her actions are understandable in her ignorance.

She's acting very irrationally but somewhat understandably. That wasn't my point. My point was more about how the same:
"You can't do X" / "Well I'm going to disregard that because I'm in love"
Exchange played out 8 to 10 times in a small amount of time.

I've noticed this trope before in various media, and I don't mean to imply it didn't happen that way by calling it a trope, but I've never seen it this strongly and this densely in any media that I can think of.

Fair.
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joe40001 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

joe40001 posted...

let's not get silly and pretend this was smart or something.

I don't think anyone is campaigning for her to win a fucking Nobel prize, just saying that her actions are understandable in her ignorance.

She's acting very irrationally but somewhat understandably. That wasn't my point. My point was more about how the same:
"You can't do X" / "Well I'm going to disregard that because I'm in love"
Exchange played out 8 to 10 times in a small amount of time.

I've noticed this trope before in various media, and I don't mean to imply it didn't happen that way by calling it a trope, but I've never seen it this strongly and this densely in any media that I can think of.

Why do you keep saying trope.

This. Actually. Happened.

https://www.bustle.com/p/lyudmilla-ignatenkos-chernobyl-story-was-the-most-heart-wrenching-thing-that-the-chernobyl-creator-read-17902131

They changed pretty small details but yeah it happened

I think it's plausible in the circumstances.

I get the trope you mean - sometimes in order to progress the plot someone has to ignore all common sense.

But you know, panicked wife, actually happened, etc.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

joe40001 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

joe40001 posted...

let's not get silly and pretend this was smart or something.

I don't think anyone is campaigning for her to win a fucking Nobel prize, just saying that her actions are understandable in her ignorance.

She's acting very irrationally but somewhat understandably. That wasn't my point. My point was more about how the same:
"You can't do X" / "Well I'm going to disregard that because I'm in love"
Exchange played out 8 to 10 times in a small amount of time.

I've noticed this trope before in various media, and I don't mean to imply it didn't happen that way by calling it a trope, but I've never seen it this strongly and this densely in any media that I can think of.

Why do you keep saying trope.

This. Actually. Happened.

"a trope is a common plot convention"
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joe40001 posted...

"a trope is a common plot convention"

Ok, but you need to understand that this wasn't a hamfisted attempt by the writers to tie things together, it was actually what transpired. Victim's account:

Lyudmilla Ignatenko
Wife of fireman Vasily Ignatenko

We were newlyweds. We still walked around holding hands, even if we were just going to the store. I would say to him, "I love you." But I didn't know then how much. I had no idea.

We lived in the dormitory of the fire station where he worked. There were three other young couples; we all shared a kitchen. On the ground floor they kept the trucks, the red fire trucks. That was his job.

One night I heard a noise. I looked out the window. He saw me. "Close the window and go back to sleep. There's a fire at the reactor. I'll be back soon."

I didn't see the explosion itself. Just the flames. Everything was radiant. The whole sky. A tall flame. And smoke. The heat was awful. And he's still not back. The smoke was from the burning bitumen, which had covered the roof. He said later it was like walking on tar.

They tried to beat down the flames. They kicked at the burning graphite with their feet ... They weren't wearing their canvas gear. They went off just as they were, in their shirt sleeves. No one told them.

At seven in the morning I was told he was in the hospital. I ran there but the police had already encircled it, and they weren't letting anyone through, only ambulances. The policemen shouted: "The ambulances are radioactive stay away!"

I saw him. He was all swollen and puffed up. You could barely see his eyes.

"He needs milk. Lots of milk," my friend said. "They should drink at least three litres each."

"But he doesn't like milk."

"He'll drink it now."

Many of the doctors and nurses in that hospital and especially the orderlies, would get sick themselves and die. But we didn't know that then.

(cont)
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I couldn't get into the hospital that evening. The doctor came out and said, yes, they were flying to Moscow, but we needed to bring them their clothes. The clothes they'd worn at the station had been burned. The buses had stopped running already and we ran across the city. We came running back with their bags, but the plane was already gone. They tricked us.

It was a special hospital, for radiology, and you couldn't get in without a pass. I gave some money to the woman at the door, and she said, "Go ahead." Then I had to ask someone else, beg. Finally I'm sitting in the office of the head radiologist. Right away she asked: "Do you have kids?" What should I tell her? I can see already that I need to hide that I'm pregnant. They won't let me see him! It's good I'm thin, you can't really tell anything.

"Yes," I say.

"How many?" I'm thinking, I need to tell her two. If it's just one, she won't let me in.

"A boy and a girl."

"So you don't need to have any more. All right, listen: his central nervous system is completely compromised, his skull is completely compromised."

OK, I'm thinking, so he'll be a little fidgety.

"And listen: if you start crying, I'll kick you out right away. No hugging or kissing. Don't even get near him. You have half an hour."

He looks so funny, he's got pyjamas on for a size 48, and he's a size 52. The sleeves are too short, the trousers are too short. But his face isn't swollen any more. They were given some sort of fluid. I say, "Where'd you run off to?" He wants to hug me. The doctor won't let him. "Sit, sit," she says. "No hugging in here."

On the very first day in the dormitory they measured me with a dosimeter. My clothes, bag, purse, shoes - they were all "hot". And they took that all away from me right there. Even my underwear. The only thing they left was my money.

He started to change; every day I met a brand-new person. The burns started to come to the surface. In his mouth, on his tongue, his cheeks - at first there were little lesions, and then they grew. It came off in layers - as white film ... the colour of his face ... his body ... blue, red , grey-brown. And it's all so very mine!

The only thing that saved me was it happened so fast; there wasn't any time to think, there wasn't any time to cry. It was a hospital for people with serious radiation poisoning. Fourteen days. In 14 days a person dies.

He was producing stools 25 to 30 times a day, with blood and mucous. His skin started cracking on his arms and legs. He became covered with boils. When he turned his head, there'd be a clump of hair left on the pillow. I tried joking: "It's convenient, you don't need a comb." Soon they cut all their hair.

I tell the nurse: "He's dying." And she says to me: "What did you expect? He got 1,600 roentgen. Four hundred is a lethal dose. You're sitting next to a nuclear reactor."

When they all died, they refurbished the hospital. They scraped down the walls and dug up the parquet. When he died, they dressed him up in formal wear, with his service cap. They couldn't get shoes on him because his feet had swollen up. They buried him barefoot. My love.
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This is a re-telling of a true event. Its showing pretty heart wrenching details and shows the very real effects of radiation poisoning and how they medically treated them at the time while showing peoples general lack of knowledge despite living near them. You are ignorantly just hand waving it all away as a trope

brotrrwinner posted...

FF_Redux posted...

No one was telling her anythibg other than dont do it. She didnt know the dangers.

If a nurse tells you to not touch a petient, which happens to look like he's fucking melting alive, would you disobey?

I for one would touch that patient

*pokes*

Hehe he's squishy
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Yeah her not being told about radiation, hell the whole country being uninformed, plus everyone being led to believe that the Chernobyl incident was harmless made it believable tbh.
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Ugh its such a trope showing KGB or scientists trying to hide information or bad bosses. They should have really changed the story to be less cliche tbqh

CruelBuffalo, you don't get it even though I've bolded the text and restated multiple times, just because it is a trope doesn't mean it didn't happen like that or that it's poor writing.

Like if there's a retelling of real events where something embarrassing happens nearby a person in a restaurant and the person says "yowza, check please" and this happens 10 times in a relatively short amount of time, I would say "I don't think I've ever seen the 'check please' trope this much in any media before."
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Ugh its such a trope showing KGB or scientists trying to hide information or bad bosses. They should have really changed the story to be less cliche tbqh

Pinky, yes I don't think this was ham-fisted or lazy writing, ironically if it was fictional I could definitely see writers say "maybe change up her actions and behavior here" but that's one of the great things about stuff based on reality, reality has people act in a way that might not be "good writing", which makes it more unpredictable and in that way more interesting.

Reality doesn't care if you are the main character up until now. Also reality doesn't care if you are behaving way too irrationally, because if that's what happened that's what happened.

So pinky, yes, we are basically on the same page. It seems to be a real story of a lady who is behaving very irrationally and in so doing, consistently and repeatedly disregarding all advice given to her 'because love'
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pinky0926 posted...

"How many?" I'm thinking, I need to tell her two. If it's just one, she won't let me in.

"A boy and a girl."

"So you don't need to have any more.

Well fuck, that's some grade A bedside manner.
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Actually reading that account I'd say they made her look worse more irrational in the show. But again that wasn't even the point of my original comment.
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So no one gonna mention that radiation poisoning isn't contagious. It is just the clothes that is. The reason for the plastic is because the victim's immune system is weak so it is for their protection not the other way around.

Also a couple of times she bribed the people to get what she wanted.
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that was really cliched and theres a moment in the fourth episode thats even more so. I liked chernobyl a lot, but I thought the last two eps were p weak. and now its somehow the highest rated tv show of all time on imdb
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