Poll of the Day > Robert E Lee Statue sold for more than 1 MILLION to someone named LAWDUDE!!!

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Full Throttle 06/10/19 2:22:13 AM #1:	Do you think this ugly statue is worth more than a million smackers? - Results (1 vote) Yes 100% (1 vote) 1 No 0% (0 votes) 0 The City of Dallas has sold off the ugly statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee after they removed it from an uptown park 2 years ago despite outcry from Confederate Conservative Whackos for more than 1.4 MILLION!! An anonymous bidder known as "LawDude" won a competitive auction to take on this bronze statue with 84 other bidders placed on the 1936 sculpture who fought AGAINST the UNITED STATES TO preserve SLAVERY in the rebel south. The city council voted to remove the statue in September of 2017 in the aftermath of the deadly August 2017 "Unite the Right" white nationalist rally over the Lee Monument in Charlottesville. Both statues were removed amid wave of local grassroots calls to take down monuments The Lee Statue was taken out of formerly named "Lee Park" after council vote as lawmakers voted to sell it after deciding what to do with it The park is now named Turtle Creek Park as the city recouped all of the 450,000 it spent to remove the monument This wasn't the end of the purge as a 65 foot Confederate War Memorial that stands at Pioneer Park Cemetery next to downtown convention centre was also eliminated Do you think this ugly statue is worth more than a MILLION? Confederate Statue - 86'd --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. A GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS. THIS ACCOUNT ONLY!! I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:923046159] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote> Do you think this ugly statue is worth more than a million smackers? - Results (1 vote) Yes 100% (1 vote) 1 No 0% (0 votes) 0 The City of Dallas has sold off the ugly statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee after they removed it from an uptown park 2 years ago despite outcry from Confederate Conservative Whackos for more than 1.4 MILLION!! An anonymous bidder known as "LawDude" won a competitive auction to take on this bronze statue with 84 other bidders placed on the 1936 sculpture who fought AGAINST the UNITED STATES TO preserve SLAVERY in the rebel south. The city council voted to remove the statue in September of 2017 in the aftermath of the deadly August 2017 "Unite the Right" white nationalist rally over the Lee Monument in Charlottesville. Both statues were removed amid wave of local grassroots calls to take down monuments The Lee Statue was taken out of formerly named "Lee Park" after council vote as lawmakers voted to sell it after deciding what to do with it The park is now named Turtle Creek Park as the city recouped all of the 450,000 it spent to remove the monument This wasn't the end of the purge as a 65 foot Confederate War Memorial that stands at Pioneer Park Cemetery next to downtown convention centre was also eliminated Do you think this ugly statue is worth more than a MILLION? Confederate Statue - 86'd </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeijiMaedaTiger 06/10/19 2:46:31 AM #2:	Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me. --- Why are tigers strong? Because they're born that way! <cite>KeijiMaedaTiger posted [p:923046767] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/10/19 2:47:55 AM #3:	KeijiMaedaTiger posted... Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me. Agreed, it's artistically solid. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923046800] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeijiMaedaTiger posted...</cite> <quote>Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me.</quote> Agreed, it's artistically solid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 06/10/19 2:57:08 AM #4:	Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:923047049] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 06/10/19 3:45:21 AM #5:	Full Throttle posted... The City of Dallas has sold off the ugly statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee after they removed it from an uptown park 2 years ago despite outcry from Confederate Conservative Whackos for more than 1.4 MILLION!! You have zero taste. Full Throttle posted... An anonymous bidder known as "LawDude" won a competitive auction to take on this bronze statue with 84 other bidders placed on the 1936 sculpture who fought AGAINST the UNITED STATES TO preserve SLAVERY in the rebel south. Overlooking that the statue didn't fight (lolwut), Lee fought to preserve the security of his home state and the South at large, not the institution of slavery. Kyuubi4269 posted... KeijiMaedaTiger posted... Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me. Agreed, it's artistically solid. Yeah, Ducky needs to get his eyes checked. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:923048057] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>The City of Dallas has sold off the ugly statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee after they removed it from an uptown park 2 years ago despite outcry from Confederate Conservative Whackos for more than 1.4 MILLION!!</quote> You have zero taste. <cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>An anonymous bidder known as "LawDude" won a competitive auction to take on this bronze statue with 84 other bidders placed on the 1936 sculpture who fought AGAINST the UNITED STATES TO preserve SLAVERY in the rebel south.</quote> Overlooking that the statue didn't fight (lolwut), Lee fought to preserve the security of his home state and the South at large, not the institution of slavery. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeijiMaedaTiger posted...</cite> <quote>Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me.</quote> Agreed, it's artistically solid.</quote> Yeah, Ducky needs to get his eyes checked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/10/19 7:58:50 AM #6:	KeijiMaedaTiger posted... Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me. Being well-crafted doesn't necessarily mean a work of art looks good, just that it doesn't contain any obvious errors. That said, this really doesn't look any better or worse than most bronze statues, so one's opinion on the aesthetics is mostly going to boil down to whether or not you like bronze statues. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923052324] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeijiMaedaTiger posted...</cite> <quote>Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me.</quote> Being well-crafted doesn't necessarily mean a work of art looks good, just that it doesn't contain any obvious errors. That said, this really doesn't look any better or worse than most bronze statues, so one's opinion on the aesthetics is mostly going to boil down to whether or not you like bronze statues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 06/10/19 8:05:55 AM #7:	That's a pretty sweet deal. That's history that he got for the low. --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:923052494] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>That's a pretty sweet deal. That's history that he got for the low.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 06/10/19 8:40:48 AM #8:	mooreandrew58 posted... Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:923053404] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/10/19 8:48:56 AM #9:	faramir77 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL. He fought on the side of his family, utilising his combat ability to attempt to shorten the war. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923053612] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL.</quote> He fought on the side of his family, utilising his combat ability to attempt to shorten the war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 06/10/19 9:17:18 AM #10:	Kyuubi4269 posted... faramir77 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL. He fought on the side of his family, utilising his combat ability to attempt to shorten the war. I do think the war would have lasted longer if lee wasnt calling the shots. At least had he still been kicking stonewall I doubt would have surrenderd. And whats him being a general got to do with it? The CSA made him a general because iirc he was one in the US military. If he wasnt he still had more military expierence and rank than most anyone else on that side before the war. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:923054419] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL.</quote> He fought on the side of his family, utilising his combat ability to attempt to shorten the war.</quote> I do think the war would have lasted longer if lee wasnt calling the shots. At least had he still been kicking stonewall I doubt would have surrenderd. And whats him being a general got to do with it? The CSA made him a general because iirc he was one in the US military. If he wasnt he still had more military expierence and rank than most anyone else on that side before the war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 06/10/19 11:30:08 AM #11:	I don't think it's worth a million dollar but at least it's going to a private collection and not being destroyed by the far left who don't know what museums are. Things like this belong in a museum or a collector if a museum won't take it. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:923059448] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's worth a million dollar but at least it's going to a private collection and not being destroyed by the far left who don't know what museums are. Things like this belong in a museum or a collector if a museum won't take it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 06/10/19 11:55:08 AM #12:	mooreandrew58 posted... Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. Lee opposed slavery, and hated war, but loyalty to his home state made him choose commanding the Confederate army (he was also offered command of the Union army). --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:923060601] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> Lee opposed slavery, and hated war, but loyalty to his home state made him choose commanding the Confederate army (he was also offered command of the Union army).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 06/10/19 1:00:13 PM #13:	Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:923063409] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 06/10/19 1:08:19 PM #14:	RoboXgp89 posted... Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects Left wing extremists trying to whitewash American history. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:923063740] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> Left wing extremists trying to whitewash American history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 06/10/19 9:26:06 PM #15:	TyVulpine posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. Lee opposed slavery, and hated war, but loyalty to his home state made him choose commanding the Confederate army (he was also offered command of the Union army). Yeah I do remember him saying something too about if he fought for the union hed be up against family that lived in his home state. I can really sympathize with that thought process. It would wreck me if a civil war happened and I knew their was a chance id come across my bother as an enemy soldier. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:923088656] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> Lee opposed slavery, and hated war, but loyalty to his home state made him choose commanding the Confederate army (he was also offered command of the Union army).</quote> Yeah I do remember him saying something too about if he fought for the union hed be up against family that lived in his home state. I can really sympathize with that thought process. It would wreck me if a civil war happened and I knew their was a chance id come across my bother as an enemy soldier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/10/19 9:30:57 PM #16:	RoboXgp89 posted... Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923089031] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 06/10/19 9:34:37 PM #17:	_AdjI_ posted... RoboXgp89 posted... Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated. I agree with that. But it shouldnt be forgotten either. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:923089284] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated.</quote> I agree with that. But it shouldnt be forgotten either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/10/19 9:42:38 PM #18:	_AdjI_ posted... RoboXgp89 posted... Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated. Pssh, if it pisses people off I'd say build another. It's a momument for things that happened and nothing will change that. If you're offended, GTFO. Easy as that. If we're supposed to play nice and allow immigrants then we can also send people away too. --- If you're mod, GTFO. You have no authority over me anymore. Your permission has been revoked, thanks. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:923089934] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated.</quote> Pssh, if it pisses people off I'd say build another. It's a momument for things that happened and nothing will change that. If you're offended, GTFO. Easy as that. If we're supposed to play nice and allow immigrants then we can also send people away too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 06/10/19 10:20:03 PM #19:	A big cause for the war was the Mexican American war, I don't think the Military(the south) would have fought that war if they new there wasn't going to be slavery practiced in the new states. Slavery = more high paid jobs for whites. --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:923093076] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>A big cause for the war was the Mexican American war, I don't think the Military(the south) would have fought that war if they new there wasn't going to be slavery practiced in the new states. Slavery = more high paid jobs for whites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/10/19 10:30:40 PM #20:	mooreandrew58 posted... _AdjI_ posted... RoboXgp89 posted... Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated. I agree with that. But it shouldnt be forgotten either. Oh, of course. Keep the information in textbooks and museums and other educational resources, but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. If the person/thing in question isn't something that should be celebrated, then there shouldn't be statues of them. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923094127] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> Being a part of history doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly honoured and celebrated.</quote> I agree with that. But it shouldnt be forgotten either.</quote> Oh, of course. Keep the information in textbooks and museums and other educational resources, but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. If the person/thing in question isn't something that should be celebrated, then there shouldn't be statues of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 06/11/19 1:44:44 AM #21:	_AdjI_ posted... KeijiMaedaTiger posted... Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me. Being well-crafted doesn't necessarily mean a work of art looks good, just that it doesn't contain any obvious errors. That said, this really doesn't look any better or worse than most bronze statues, so one's opinion on the aesthetics is mostly going to boil down to whether or not you like bronze statues. You, sir, have no taste in bronze! faramir77 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL. lolwut? Would it magically be better if a GENERAL decided to fight as a CAPTAIN or LIEUTENANT? Get out of here with that nonsense! RoboXgp89 posted... Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects Robert E Lee was a historically important American soldier for reasons entirely unrelated to segregation. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:923104527] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeijiMaedaTiger posted...</cite> <quote>Ugly? Looks pretty well crafted to me.</quote> Being well-crafted doesn't necessarily mean a work of art looks good, just that it doesn't contain any obvious errors. That said, this really doesn't look any better or worse than most bronze statues, so one's opinion on the aesthetics is mostly going to boil down to whether or not you like bronze statues.</quote> You, sir, have no taste in bronze! <cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> Sounds like apologist rhetoric to me. He was a GENERAL.</quote> lolwut? Would it magically be better if a GENERAL decided to fight as a CAPTAIN or LIEUTENANT? Get out of here with that nonsense! <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>Segregation was a big part of america until the 1960's 1970's so I don't understand all the vitriol for hating these objects</quote> Robert E Lee was a historically important American soldier for reasons entirely unrelated to segregation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 1:55:05 AM #22:	_AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923104824] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dennis_Malbini 06/11/19 2:01:44 AM #23:	I feel like a lot of people are intentionally ignorant about why the Civil War was fought. They say it was about slavery, or about states' rights. Both are actually right, but it doesn't tell you why. The Civil War was fought in order to maintain the economic status quo in the South, which was largely rooted in agriculture. They wanted to keep slaves because it cut down hugely on labor costs, akin to what we see today with manufacturers outsourcing to third world countries. However, the Nullification Crisis, one of the first examples of states threatening to secede, was over some tariffs that benefitted the Northern economy but hurt the South. The Civil War is way more complicated than just the South wanted to keep slaves just for the lulz. It was the messiest war in American history for a reason. The North did reprehensible things, too, like enacting total warfare against civilians in Sherman's March to Georgia. As for Robert E. Lee, he joined the South because his home state had seceded. If they hadn't seceded, he would've fought for the North. He joined the South out of loyalty to his state. Loyalty to your homeland is a forgotten concept these days, it seems. --- "Don't sweat, the password's banana!" <cite>Dennis_Malbini posted [p:923105015] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>I feel like a lot of people are intentionally ignorant about why the Civil War was fought. They say it was about slavery, or about states' rights. Both are actually right, but it doesn't tell you why. The Civil War was fought in order to maintain the economic status quo in the South, which was largely rooted in agriculture. They wanted to keep slaves because it cut down hugely on labor costs, akin to what we see today with manufacturers outsourcing to third world countries. However, the Nullification Crisis, one of the first examples of states threatening to secede, was over some tariffs that benefitted the Northern economy but hurt the South. The Civil War is way more complicated than just the South wanted to keep slaves just for the lulz. It was the messiest war in American history for a reason. The North did reprehensible things, too, like enacting total warfare against civilians in Sherman's March to Georgia. As for Robert E. Lee, he joined the South because his home state had seceded. If they hadn't seceded, he would've fought for the North. He joined the South out of loyalty to his state. Loyalty to your homeland is a forgotten concept these days, it seems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 06/11/19 10:22:35 AM #24:	Dennis_Malbini posted... Loyalty to your homeland is a forgotten concept these days, it seems. Not really. For example, a lot of Americans oppose Trump because theyre Americans. Trumps base on the other hand, are the ones that have forgotten and demand everyone pledge loyalty to the man instead. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:923117078] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dennis_Malbini posted...</cite> <quote> Loyalty to your homeland is a forgotten concept these days, it seems.</quote> Not really. For example, a lot of Americans oppose Trump because theyre Americans. Trumps base on the other hand, are the ones that have forgotten and demand everyone pledge loyalty to the man instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 10:35:52 AM #25:	TyVulpine posted... For example, a lot of Americans oppose Trump because theyre Americans. No. TyVulpine posted... Trumps base on the other hand, are the ones that have forgotten and demand everyone pledge loyalty to the man instead. Loyal to their elected leader, and loyal to a nationalist agenda, which couldn't be more home-focused. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923117695] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>For example, a lot of Americans oppose Trump because theyre Americans. </quote> No. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Trumps base on the other hand, are the ones that have forgotten and demand everyone pledge loyalty to the man instead.</quote> Loyal to their elected leader, and loyal to a nationalist agenda, which couldn't be more home-focused.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Komaiko54- 06/11/19 10:36:12 AM #26:	mooreandrew58 posted... Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family. This is true --- Take me somewhere nice... "I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm kind of [stupid]" - Alex Jones <cite>-Komaiko54- posted [p:923117702] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Its historic memrobillia so yeah id say its easily worth that. Also I dont recall lees stance on slavery but I do recall the main reason he sided with the south is because otherwise there was chance of him fighting against family.</quote> This is true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/11/19 11:12:01 AM #27:	Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park? <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923119523] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 11:19:48 AM #28:	_AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park? I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923119951] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 06/11/19 11:37:43 AM #29:	Kyuubi4269 posted... TyVulpine posted... Trumps base on the other hand, are the ones that have forgotten and demand everyone pledge loyalty to the man instead. Loyal to their elected leader, and loyal to a nationalist agenda, which couldn't be more home-focused. Trump doesn't have a "nationalist" agenda, he has an elitist agenda, namely helping lining the pockets of his fellow CEO cronies with taxpayer money. Raising tariffs hurts Americans, not help (just ask farmers). Building a wall that American taxpayers will ultimately pay decades for doesn't help Americans. Golfing at his own private country club on the taxpayers dime doesn't help Americans. And so on. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:923121000] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Trumps base on the other hand, are the ones that have forgotten and demand everyone pledge loyalty to the man instead.</quote> Loyal to their elected leader, and loyal to a nationalist agenda, which couldn't be more home-focused.</quote> Trump doesn't have a "nationalist" agenda, he has an elitist agenda, namely helping lining the pockets of his fellow CEO cronies with taxpayer money. Raising tariffs hurts Americans, not help (just ask farmers). Building a wall that American taxpayers will ultimately pay decades for doesn't help Americans. Golfing at his own private country club on the taxpayers dime doesn't help Americans. And so on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 11:49:12 AM #30:	TyVulpine posted... Trump doesn't have a "nationalist" agenda, he has an elitist agenda Can be both. TyVulpine posted... Raising tariffs hurts Americans, not help (just ask farmers). Tariffs bring in money, how it's spent determines how it helps/hurts. This is a performance issue and says nothing of intent per se. TyVulpine posted... Building a wall that American taxpayers will ultimately pay decades for doesn't help Americans. The whole point was to take the pay out of aid to Mexico, and anti-immigration policies are distinctly nationalist at the cost of elites hiring illegal workers. If the money isn't taken out of aid, we can blame democrats and hirers of illegal immigrants for blocking legislation. TyVulpine posted... Golfing at his own private country club on the taxpayers dime doesn't help Americans. Presidential/business owner perks, not relevant. TyVulpine posted... And so on. Go on then. You can say he's an elitist idiot, but your other claims seem to be based purely on wanting to cultivate a false narrative to get your own way, which is a great way to get the opposition to dig in their heels against you and any valid points. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923121697] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Trump doesn't have a "nationalist" agenda, he has an elitist agenda</quote> Can be both. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Raising tariffs hurts Americans, not help (just ask farmers). </quote> Tariffs bring in money, how it's spent determines how it helps/hurts. This is a performance issue and says nothing of intent per se. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Building a wall that American taxpayers will ultimately pay decades for doesn't help Americans.</quote> The whole point was to take the pay out of aid to Mexico, and anti-immigration policies are distinctly nationalist at the cost of elites hiring illegal workers. If the money isn't taken out of aid, we can blame democrats and hirers of illegal immigrants for blocking legislation. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Golfing at his own private country club on the taxpayers dime doesn't help Americans.</quote> Presidential/business owner perks, not relevant. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>And so on.</quote> Go on then. You can say he's an elitist idiot, but your other claims seem to be based purely on wanting to cultivate a false narrative to get your own way, which is a great way to get the opposition to dig in their heels against you and any valid points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 06/11/19 11:54:47 AM #31:	I have to ask, how much of a lobotomy does one need to be defend Trump? Seriously, man, take off the blinders and put down the kool-aid. He is a con man, and his favorite mark is gullible people, like you're being by defending him. I'm not "painting a false narrative", they're easy to google facts about him. The only people painting a "false narrative" are people that want to believe alternative facts. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:923122012] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote>I have to ask, how much of a lobotomy does one need to be defend Trump? Seriously, man, take off the blinders and put down the kool-aid. He is a con man, and his favorite mark is gullible people, like you're being by defending him. I'm not "painting a false narrative", they're easy to google facts about him. The only people painting a "false narrative" are people that want to believe alternative facts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/11/19 12:00:06 PM #32:	Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park? I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes. I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park? <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923122342] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes.</quote> I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 12:02:38 PM #33:	TyVulpine posted... I have to ask, how much of a lobotomy does one need to be defend Trump? Seriously, man, take off the blinders and put down the kool-aid. You're the one doing "orange man bad" without any critical thinking. TyVulpine posted... He is a con man, and his favorite mark is gullible people, like you're being by defending him. He's not a con man, he's not smart enough for that. TyVulpine posted... I'm not "painting a false narrative", they're easy to google facts about him. Did you google this?: TyVulpine posted... Trump doesn't have a "nationalist" agenda, he has an elitist agenda Because that's distinctly non-factual, even shitty mainstream news are willing to call him a nationalist (with the implication that nationalism is inherently bad). TyVulpine posted... The only people painting a "false narrative" are people that want to believe alternative facts. You post plenty alternative facts, as noted above. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923122511] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>I have to ask, how much of a lobotomy does one need to be defend Trump? Seriously, man, take off the blinders and put down the kool-aid. </quote> You're the one doing "orange man bad" without any critical thinking. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>He is a con man, and his favorite mark is gullible people, like you're being by defending him.</quote> He's not a con man, he's not smart enough for that. <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not "painting a false narrative", they're easy to google facts about him. </quote> Did you google this?: <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Trump doesn't have a "nationalist" agenda, he has an elitist agenda</quote> Because that's distinctly non-factual, even shitty mainstream news are willing to call him a nationalist (with the implication that nationalism is inherently bad). <cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>The only people painting a "false narrative" are people that want to believe alternative facts.</quote> You post plenty alternative facts, as noted above.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 12:03:17 PM #34:	_AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park? I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes. I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park? I'm comparing a public display to a public display, yes. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923122571] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes.</quote> I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a public display to a public display, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/11/19 1:05:11 PM #35:	Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park? I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes. I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park? I'm comparing a public display to a public display, yes. At this point you might as well say you're comparing minerals to minerals. That kind of reductionism strips your position of any semantic value it might once have had. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923128898] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes.</quote> I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a public display to a public display, yes.</quote> At this point you might as well say you're comparing minerals to minerals. That kind of reductionism strips your position of any semantic value it might once have had.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 06/11/19 1:06:26 PM #36:	_AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative. They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art? Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park? I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes. I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park? I'm comparing a public display to a public display, yes. At this point you might as well say you're comparing minerals to minerals. That kind of reductionism strips your position of any semantic value it might once have had. Why don't you actually state your complaint instead of requiring me to state every way in which a comparison is fair. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:923129035] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>but statues and monuments are celebratory, not informative.</quote> They are celebratory to the time they were made, it they are informative of history to everybody after then. A bust of Julius Caesar is kept in a museum in Berlin, do you believe that means Germany is celebrating Roman atrocities? Or preserving a piece of classical art?</quote> Are you really equivocating a statue displayed in an art museum as a work of art to a statue displayed in a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a work of historical art to a work of historical art on their artistic and historic merits, yes.</quote> I figured the actual question was obvious, but I guess I can streamline it further for you: Are you really comparing an art museum to a public park?</quote> I'm comparing a public display to a public display, yes.</quote> At this point you might as well say you're comparing minerals to minerals. That kind of reductionism strips your position of any semantic value it might once have had.</quote> Why don't you actually state your complaint instead of requiring me to state every way in which a comparison is fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 06/11/19 1:11:42 PM #37:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Why don't you actually state your complaint instead of requiring me to state every way in which a comparison is fair. In an art museum, statues are primarily displayed for their artistic value. In a public park, statues are primarily displayed to honour the people they depict. I really shouldn't have to spell this out for you. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:923129641] in Robert E L... [t:77775582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Why don't you actually state your complaint instead of requiring me to state every way in which a comparison is fair.</quote> In an art museum, statues are primarily displayed for their artistic value. In a public park, statues are primarily displayed to honour the people they depict. I really shouldn't have to spell this out for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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