Current Events > You've all turned on Bioware but have you realize KoTor was not that good yet?

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You could say the game aged badly. Don't let nostalgia blind you. KoToR was the forefather of horrible, extreme and cartoonish morality choices.

[donate all your gold to orphanage]
[do nothing]
[burn down orphanage]
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I didn't think it was that great from the start. It was a fun and interesting game, but no break through game changer GOAT like many put it. I never could get into replaying it anyway even past Taris. I always got bored.
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Kotor was amazing, full stop
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Do you ever stop having bad opinions
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Southernfatman posted...

I didn't think it was that great from the start. It was a fun and interesting game, but no break through game changer GOAT like many put it. I never could get into replaying it anyway even past Taris. I always got bored.

So in short, KoToR is overrated huh?

YOU GUYS GUESSED IT. KoToR is the next game I have on my list of One of the Most Overrated Games of All Time.
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Tricking the plantation owners into killing each other and their families/workers on Dantooine is the best Kotor dark side event.
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Goats posted...

Do you ever stop having bad opinions

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Wasn't a big fan of the combat system but that was really my only gripe.
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Stop being wrong all the time, Fake Vegy.
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I'm playing it for the first time and its...alright?

Not living up to the hype at all but it's not horrible.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

I'm playing it for the first time and its...alright?

Not living up to the hype at all but it's not horrible.

It's a comedy game.
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DarkRoast posted...

Kotor was amazing, full stop

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was being the key word, tbh. although not many games have tried to adopt a traditional tabletop ruleset as well as it did for the modern era.
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Megaman50100 posted...

was being the key word, tbh. although not many games have tried to adopt a traditional tabletop ruleset as well as it did for the modern era.

Disagree. Release any game using KoToR's insanely comical morality choices would fail hard today.
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Zodd3224 posted...

This is the worst gimmick on a board full of terrible gimmicks

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HagenEx posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

This is the worst gimmick on a board full of terrible gimmicks

Man, I keep scoring on your favorite games.
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Weird shitpost, but okay.

KOTOR was a good game, and it was fine.

EDIT: But seriously, what's tomorrow's gaming shitpost gonna be? How Doom isn't as good as everyone says?
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Naw Doom isn't on the list.
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>he has a list
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You don't have a list of The Most Overrated Games of All Time?
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you should submit it to gamefaqs for rotation in those daily top 10s
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Who actually read those? LMAO

I prefer direct and live interactions from people of CE.
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you should submit it and then shitpost about it on the top 10 board for those live and direct interactions
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I will just directly post it on the top 10 board. Please link it to me.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000445-top-10-lists
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Dont like it? Dont play it. Its that simple.
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That's a dead board and I would NEVER get the same kind of feedback and interaction as the mighty CE. No thanks.
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Conception616 posted...

Dont like it? Dont play it. Its that simple.

I never said I didn't like it.
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Veggeta X posted...

Disagree. Release any game using KoToR's insanely comical morality choices would fail hard today.

I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying there isn't a game in the last two generations that has successfully adapted tabletop roleplaying systems like Kotor did.
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Honestly, I'm just ready for another Dragon Age. Bioware's worth for me is based completely off of the next game.
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The choices were pretty cartoonish but it was an excellent game, and KOTORII I played the absolute shit out of.

It was pretty novel and interesting to decide whether to go down the light side or dark side. Having your choices change the outcome of the game but also your party's appearance and attitude towards each other was pretty incredible, and few games manage to do that to this day.

Not to mention it was the first RPG I ever remembered having actually interactively animated turn-based combat. Instead of just taking turns to hit each other, you and your enemy would dual and whether you hit or missed genuinely reflected in the animation. You character would parry a strike or dodge out the way, or totally obliterate the enemy depending on the usual RPG calculations. This is another feature that is still woefully missing from turn based games to this day. Hell I'm playing Divinity Original Sins 2 - an excellent game - and it's still doing that old thing where you watch your character make the same old clumsy attack while the other guy does nothing.
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Veggeta X posted...

That's a dead board and I would NEVER get the same kind of feedback and interaction as the mighty CE. No thanks.

I didn't know you were scared, vegy
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so do you just go down the list of "most popular video games of the last 20 years" and pick one out to call overrated?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so do you just go down the list of "most popular video games of the last 20 years" and pick one out to call overrated?

Yes he does.

I didn't realize at first it was fake vegy when I posted btw.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so do you just go down the list of "most popular video games of the last 20 years" and pick one out to call overrated?

probably
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so do you just go down the list of "most popular video games of the last 20 years" and pick one out to call overrated?

Naw. I have a list of Most Popular Video Games of All Time and lots of them don't fall under my Most Overrated Video Games of All Time list.
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KOTOR was an awesome experience despite the mechanical issues it had.
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CoD4
Halo
GTA3
SF2
Mario 64
Smash Bros
Pokmon
FF7
MGS
WoW
Minecraft
Half-Life

All immensely popular games and will forever be iconic in the gaming world and yet none of these fall under my list of Most Overrated Games of All Time(Gonna start using MOGoAT moving forward).
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Am I weird for liking Taris? I like being an average joe Scoundrel shooting people in the back more than a Jedi.
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I know you're just desperate for attention, but the first kotor was honestly pretty mediocre in retrospect. I replayed it a year or two ago and was blown away by how childish the writing was. Like, every piece of dialogue you had in your trees made you sound like some sort of automaton that was programmed to either very nice or very mean with all the enthusiasm of a plank of wood. The engine they used was also, as far as I could tell, pretty much the NWN engine with a new interface and it felt worse than the aformentioned game.

KotOR 2 blows it out of the water in every respect, even being as half-finished as it is.
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Kotor was great pull your head out of your ass and breathe.
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I never got too far into KOTOR for whatever reason but I do remember extremely early on walking in to some clinic of some kind where there were people in tubes (maybe they were being healed or cyrogenically frozen) and it was like I could just ignore it or I could shut the systems down and kill them all.

I mean, I felt like even a bad guy in the Star Wars universe wouldn't just kill a dozen strangers within the first five minutes of being on a planet. It felt like a very strange choice.
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Whoa can we talk about this civily?
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Goats posted...

Do you ever stop having bad opinions

Its his gimmick. But somehow years later of the same shitposts over and over people still take the bait.
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Veggeta X posted...

Whoa can we talk about this civily?

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ultimate reaver posted...

I know you're just desperate for attention, but the first kotor was honestly pretty mediocre in retrospect. I replayed it a year or two ago and was blown away by how childish the writing was. Like, every piece of dialogue you had in your trees made you sound like some sort of automaton that was programmed to either very nice or very mean with all the enthusiasm of a plank of wood. The engine they used was also, as far as I could tell, pretty much the NWN engine with a new interface and it felt worse than the aformentioned game.

KotOR 2 blows it out of the water in every respect, even being as half-finished as it is.

I played KOTOR 1 and 2 simultaneously about a year ago (still not done with my Light Side character for KOTOR 2), and I remember thinking there was one problem that both games had that ran kinda parallel in opposite directions.

I recall feeling underpowered as hell in KOTOR 1, and way too overpowered in KOTOR 2. Like there was never a point where I felt like the games were balanced.

That said, I'm legitimately happy that KOTOR 2 finally got the recognition it deserves. I've always held it was the better game, even when I played both games for the first time around mid-00's. But almost nobody else shared my opinion. Now, most people rightfully point out The Sith Lords is the better title, even if, like you said, it was rushed and has unfinished content.
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Veggeta X posted...

[donate all your gold to orphanage]
[do nothing]
[burn down orphanage]

To be fair, when you're used to not having choices at all, even this would be a pleasant change.
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pinky0926 posted...

Not to mention it was the first RPG I ever remembered having actually interactively animated turn-based combat. Instead of just taking turns to hit each other, you and your enemy would dual and whether you hit or missed genuinely reflected in the animation. You character would parry a strike or dodge out the way, or totally obliterate the enemy depending on the usual RPG calculations. This is another feature that is still woefully missing from turn based games to this day. Hell I'm playing Divinity Original Sins 2 - an excellent game - and it's still doing that old thing where you watch your character make the same old clumsy attack while the other guy does nothing.

I remember being impressed with the melee animations back in the day and I still am today.

It was cool how instead of just hitting each other, you would lock swords, dodge, parry, kick, etc.
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KOTOR was the first RPG I ever played. I had been gaming since NES but always avoided them thinking they were too complex. Loved it so much I went back and played the ones I skipped out on starting with the Final Fantasies and Xenosagas.
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