Board 8 > Nationalist politics topic 16: Zealots accidentally bring us to historical truth

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Vlado posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1151975125690003456

lol, nice one.

Still waiting to see foolmo answer these, btw:

Vlado posted...

1. What makes something "racist"?
2. Why is something being "racist" a bad thing?

1. Intentionally disparaging a person on the basis of their race or ethnicity. Like posting a meme where you compare black people to dogs in order to demonstrate that theyre genetically less intelligent than white people.
2. Because it causes strife and division among the population, ultimately leading to violence for either the oppressor (believing they deserve to oppress), or the victim (believing they are threatened by the oppressor.)

I would think someone who whines about globalism dividing people and making them sheep for corporations would understand why racism is bad.
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Vlado posted...

2. Why is something being "racist" a bad thing?

someone can literally ask this question without getting modded. anyone who still wants to whine that the modding on this site is too strict?
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Also, I didnt want to bring this up when it happened, because you didnt comment and I didnt want to dredge up your little victimhood bubble here to snark at you, but why, exactly, did you not comment on the KyoAni arson attack? Whenever ANY Muslim so much as jaywalks in Europe, you post the article and declare that Muslims are evil and that the article is further proof that multiculturalism. Yet a Japanese man attacks a Japanese animation studio in Japan (your bastion of perfection and nationalist purity) and you decline to comment.

Youre so eager to decry all Muslims, yet why wont you decry ALL men for the constant wars, murders, violence and terrorism they constantly bring upon this world?

Also, since you cant grasp the concept of racism, then you probably cant tell me if the above statement is sexist, can you?
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Vlado posted...

Still waiting to see foolmo answer these, btw:

Like I said 5 times, I answered them directly already using your own original thoughts. The only reason you would not understand what I'm saying is if you have no ability to think for yourself.

Also imagine the size of the post I would have to make for all my questions you have completely ignored.
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Guys don't respond to Vlado's quote of me, you're ruining my entire point and giving him an opportunity to copy/paste stuff from his script and feel like he is an intelligent person
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foolm0r0n posted...

Guys don't respond to Vlado's quote of me, you're ruining my entire point

because he was totally going to acknowledge your point without those posts? >_>
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He has acknowledged it and literally cannot forget it

How often does Vlado keep on bringing up a post weeks later?
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foolm0r0n posted...

I answered them directly already using your own original thoughts.

I want your own answer, using your own thoughts. Not what you perceive to be mine. But fine, I'll accept your refusal to answer if asking this a while later disturbs you so much.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Vlado posted...

2. Why is something being "racist" a bad thing?

someone can literally ask this question without getting modded. anyone who still wants to whine that the modding on this site is too strict?

WTF is this nonsense? Asking questions should be banned? You weren't the first person I'd think of to embrace such severe censorship.

In Germany, yet again, the inevitable results of "diversity":
https://www.rt.com/news/465347-germany-boy-pushed-train-frankfurt/

And globalist losers in the US once again worried to death by a Trump appointment that might bring to light their crimes:
https://www.rt.com/usa/465331-ratcliffe-odni-fisa-russagate/

*yawn* We've seen this bait and switch game too many times in the last 2-3 years. Call me when something actually happens.
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Vlado posted...

In Germany, yet again, the inevitable results of "diversity":
https://www.rt.com/news/465347-germany-boy-pushed-train-frankfurt/

Aside from the culprit being foreign (and having lived in Europe for 13 years, according to your own propaganda article), what exactly does this attack have to do with diversity? Are you saying hes only a violent psychopath because hes not white? Ill point out again the common factor in this attack that we see in the vast majority of violence: HE is a MAN. Why are you so willing to attack brown people, but not men?
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Vlado posted...

WTF is this nonsense? Asking questions should be banned?

why should questions be immune from modding? if i ask you "why are you such an annoying asshole," i think my post should get modded too. because that's clearly a flame.
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Espeon posted...

and having lived in Europe for 13 years, according to your own propaganda article

Exactly. No matter where you live, who you are will not change.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Vlado posted...

WTF is this nonsense? Asking questions should be banned?

why should questions be immune from modding? if i ask you "why are you such an annoying asshole," i think my post should get modded too. because that's clearly a flame.

Your example is not a good analogy to mine, however. "Why is it bad to be an annoying asshole?" would be the good analogy.
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So just to be clear, you, Vlado, are saying that immigrants are SO inherently violent, that this guy was able to lay dormant for thirteen years without incident, before finally blowing up and revealing his true nature?

Why EXACTLY cant your exact same logic as therefore apply to the male gender as a whole?
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Vlado posted...

Your example is not a good analogy to mine, however.

it wasn't an analogy, it was a counterargument to what you said. you were asking "asking questions should be banned?", as if questions are somehow immune to being modded. i was saying "if questions break the rules they should be modded, yes." i'm fairly sure that a question implying that racism isn't necessarily bad is against the ToU.
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Yeah, but don't forget I was asking in the context of my question that you said should be banned.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i'm fairly sure that a question implying that racism isn't necessarily bad is against the ToU.

My question didn't imply anything, and even if it did, it wouldn't be, but do you not realise the fault of such logic? Anything and everything should be allowed to be questioned.
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Also, one other thing. You claim that a foreigner committing this attack is the flaw of globalism. Lets ignore the timeline for a second. Fine. IF this guy carried out this attack in the name of his non-native culture, then that makes him a NATIONALIST, fighting against globalism. Now, granted, we have ZERO evidence that this attack was culturally motivated in any way, but if it IS, then it, like all radical right-wing terrorism, is nationalist by its very nature. Blaming globalism for the violence of nationalists is like when you and Smuffin argued that a white nationalist wouldnt have gunned down all those mosque-goers if theyd stayed in Islamic countries. Its not globalisms fault when violent assholes attack others, just because theyre cowardly assholes, afraid of other cultures.
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I dont know what rule that would be breaking. I mean, asking why racism is bad isnt in and of itself racist... its indirect enough to not be offensive.
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Espeon posted...

So just to be clear, you, Vlado, are saying that immigrants are SO inherently violent, that this guy was able to lay dormant for thirteen years without incident, before finally blowing up and revealing his true nature?

i like how vlado completely contradicts himself within the span of two posts. first he says "diversity is the problem" and then he says "where you live won't change you." the logical conclusion of that statement is that if this guy wouldn't have moved to germany, he very well could have killed a boy in his home country. this has nothing to do with diversity.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Espeon posted...

So just to be clear, you, Vlado, are saying that immigrants are SO inherently violent, that this guy was able to lay dormant for thirteen years without incident, before finally blowing up and revealing his true nature?

i like how vlado completely contradicts himself within the span of two posts. first he says "diversity is the problem" and then he says "where you live won't change you." the logical conclusion of that statement is that if this guy wouldn't have moved to germany, he very well could have killed a boy in his home country. this has nothing to do with diversity.

WTF, what's happened to you? You were more logical 2 weeks ago.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

its indirect enough to not be offensive.

with the strict enforcing of the ToU that's been going on lately, i'm pretty sure that's not true.
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Vlado posted...

WTF, what's happened to you? You were more logical 2 weeks ago.

https://www.shitpostbot.com/resize/585/400?img=%2Fimg%2Fsourceimages%2Fnot-an-argument-stefan-59e00066327cf.jpeg
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Vlado posted...

My question didn't imply anything,

of course it did. if it's a given that racism is bad, why would there be a need to ask the question?
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I haven't said anything like that, either. I am asking a question. Racism being bad must be allowed to be questioned, like anything and everything else.
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Vlado posted...

I haven't said anything like that, either.

yes, that's why it's called an implication and not a statement.
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Vlado, you cant even define nationalism, despite running this topic series. So dont call LASA illogical. His thought process connects your own points, and yet again, it seems like the only consistent thought pattern you have is brown people = bad.
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i'm fine with being called illogical but you need to back this up with arguments. just stating that i'm illogical is insulting.
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Heres another one, Sweetie. If racism isnt bad, then how come you feel the need to try and argue that its not bad? Why dont you openly embrace the fact that youre racist, instead of claiming liberals are the ones with the REAL problem?
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Even if I state why I found what you said illogical, it wouldn't change a thing. But fine, just so you don't think I simply want to insult you.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i like how vlado completely contradicts himself within the span of two posts. first he says "diversity is the problem" and then he says "where you live won't change you." the logical conclusion of that statement is that if this guy wouldn't have moved to germany, he very well could have killed a boy in his home country. this has nothing to do with diversity.

An African for some reason allowed in Germany kills a German boy in Germany, and "this has nothing to do with diversity"?
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Vlado posted...

Even if I state why I found what you said illogical, it wouldn't change a thing. But fine, just so you don't think I simply want to insult you.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i like how vlado completely contradicts himself within the span of two posts. first he says "diversity is the problem" and then he says "where you live won't change you." the logical conclusion of that statement is that if this guy wouldn't have moved to germany, he very well could have killed a boy in his home country. this has nothing to do with diversity.

An African kills a German boy, and "this has nothing to do with diversity"?

Your own where you live wont change you implies that this man was a violent asshole regardless of where he lived, and would have murdered an Eritrean boy if he still lived in Eritrea, thus making this not a problem of diversity, but a problem of a psychopath.
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Vlado posted...

An African for some reason allowed in Germany kills a German boy in Germany, and "this has nothing to do with diversity"?

Probably because of the massive number of Africans in Germany that don't kill Germans. And actually help Germans and provide goods and/or services for them.

If I was to say "a white person kills an American in America" your logic isn't "well we need to get rid of white people."
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Espeon posted...

would have murdered an Eritrean boy if he still lived in Eritrea

That's your own claim, not mine. If he had not been allowed into Germany, this German boy would have still been alive, so it IS a problem of "diversity."

TheRock1525 posted...

Probably because of the massive number of Africans in Germany that don't kill Germans. And actually help Germans and provide goods and/or services for them.

lmfao, imagine actually believing that latter part.
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So were clear, your argument is that ALL immigration should be banned because if an immigrant commits a crime in their new country, it could have been prevented by not allowing them access in the first place?

Would you even give a shit about this heinous act of it was a white German committing it?
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These people are an immense burden on the German taxpayer and Germany as a whole. Even ignoring the more important reasons, only something like 15% work, and the rest leech social welfare.
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That's your own claim, not mine. If he had not been allowed into Germany, this German boy would have still been alive, so it IS a problem of "diversity.

if Dylan Roof hadnt been born the people he shot would still be alive, but somehow I dont think youd call that situation a problem of white people having kids
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Because there are multiple factors. This would likely not have happened in his own country because they don't have contemporary infrastructure and the train would have been able to stop on time. Kidding. He wouldn't have been driven mad if he hadn't been planted to live among foreigners whom he detests because their culture is completely opposite to his own, so he views them as abominations.
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Vlado posted...

Because there are multiple factors. This would likely not have happened in his own country because they don't have contemporary infrastructure and the train would have been able to stop on time. Kidding. He wouldn't have been driven mad if he hadn't been planted to live among foreigners whom he detests because their culture is completely opposite to his own, so he views them as abominations.

He lived in Europe for THIRTEEN YEARS. Hell, he emigrated to SWITZERLAND, yet I dont see you saying this killing was the result of Swiss culture being incompatible with German culture. I wonder why that is?
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Vlado posted...

He wouldn't have been driven mad if he hadn't been planted to live among foreigners whom he detests because their culture is completely opposite to his own, so he views them as abominations.

Vlado posted...

No matter where you live, who you are will not change.

ok.
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And again, why is GLOBALISM the problem in your scenario? Because it seems like globalism and the diversity it brings were the VICTIM of nationalist violence (given your OWN description of incompatible cultures and abominations.)

Let me ask: when hijackers flew four planes into my country, who is to blame? America, for allowing its culture to spread across the globe...or the nationalist terrorists who wanted to attack the west because they feared changes to their culture? Why is it passive globalisms fault when fear-based, ACTIVE nationalism commits violence?
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Vlado posted...

lmfao, imagine actually believing that latter part.

I mean, it's basic fact. Like you would have to be a straight up moron to think "immigrants murder more often than they don't murder."
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Vlado posted...

Even ignoring the more important reasons, only something like 15% work, and the rest leech social welfare.

I'd love to see where you got this "statistic" from.
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imagine blaming all of societys problems on immigrants and being so afraid of anyone who doesnt look like you that you actively seek out and manipulate your consumption of news to the minuscule amount of content that confirms this worldview. what a pathetic and miserable existence you live every day

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Vlado posted...

He wouldn't have been driven mad if he hadn't been planted to live among foreigners whom he detests because their culture is completely opposite to his own, so he views them as abominations.

Vlado posted...

No matter where you live, who you are will not change.

ok.

Yes, both statements are correct. It didn't change who he is. Everything that defines him is still the same as it was in Africa. If he had been changed by living in Germany, maybe the murder wouldn't have happened, even. But becoming German simply by going to live in Germany or getting a German passport is a lie.

Hannyabal posted...

imagine blaming all of societys problems on immigrants

And I did that where, exactly? I don't even blame immigration itself on immigrants.
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Just found a stat: people born outside the EU, among working age groups, are employed at a 73.4% rate. By comparison, the native born rate is 78.7%.

So yeah, 15% is a hilarious ass-pull. Nearly 3/4's of immigrants that can work are working.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'd love to see where you got this "statistic" from.

lmfao, imagine doubting my stats this many years later. I have already posted this in this topic series... At least twice.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey/only-13-percent-of-recent-refugees-in-germany-have-found-work-survey-idUSKBN13A22F

Looks like I overshot, kek.
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So youre saying that, if you moved to America, YOU would become a violent murderer as a result of culture shock? Im just trying to wrap my brain around the mental gymnastics youre using to justify racism, without coming out and admitting to being racist (DESPITE THERE BEING NOTHING WRONG WITH RACISM, LIBERALS /s).
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Vlado posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I'd love to see where you got this "statistic" from.

lmfao, imagine doubting my stats this many years later. I have already posted this in this topic series... At least twice.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey/only-13-percent-of-recent-refugees-in-germany-have-found-work-survey-idUSKBN13A22F

Looks like I overshot, kek.

So you didnt read the article then? Just the title?
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Vlado posted...

Hannyabal posted...

imagine blaming all of societys problems on immigrants

And I did that where, exactly? I don't even blame immigration itself on immigrants.

well it sure seems like you blame diversity

Vlado posted...

Espeon posted...

would have murdered an Eritrean boy if he still lived in Eritrea

That's your own claim, not mine. If he had not been allowed into Germany, this German boy would have still been alive, so it IS a problem of "diversity."

TheRock1525 posted...

Probably because of the massive number of Africans in Germany that don't kill Germans. And actually help Germans and provide goods and/or services for them.

lmfao, imagine actually believing that latter part.

Diversity caused by....immigrants.

I'm saying that people from vastly different cultures being made to live near each other forces inevitable anxiety, conflict and bloodshed.
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Herbert Bruecker of the IAB Institute for Employment Research said experience showed around 50 percent of migrants tended to have found employment after living in Germany for five years, at least 60 percent were in work after 10 years and 70 percent after 15 years.

He said that would probably prove true of recent immigrants, especially as they were being offered more language courses and help from job centers and German people than in the past.

But he said recent newcomers had not arrived primarily to work and were not as well prepared as other groups. The large number of new arrivals also meant more competition for jobs.

Among those who are not in work and arrived in Germany since January 2013, more than three-quarters said they certainly wanted a job and 15 percent said they probably wanted one.

Of adult refugees, 58 percent had spent 10 years or more at school, in vocational training and at university before arriving in Germany, the survey found, compared with 88 percent of Germans. Just under a third had attended university or a vocational school, while 1 in 10 went only to primary school and 9 percent never went to school.

Almost three-quarters of refugees aged 18-65 said they had gained work experience before arriving in Germany, with 13 percent having been employees in managerial positions.

Around 90 percent of refugees could not speak German when they arrived, a major stumbling block for many employers.

The survey found many of the new arrivals shared Germanys values - 96 percent agreed there should be a democratic system and 92 percent said equal rights for men and women were part of democracy.

Boy, sure sounds like a lot of people who don't want to work, wanna live on welfare, and institute Sharia Law.

*fart noise*
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