Board 8 > WWE Mafia 4: Tell me he didn't just say that

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Actually, might be a case of you saying it was a trap and me agreeing. Nobody hopped on it.

So Red is... Town?

Would that actually work like that though

Panthera posted...

pezloco posted...

Go back and read his posts in Topic 1 and Topic 2. I picked that time frame because that's when I felt like scum was just letting town go at itself. Through topic 1 and topic 2 he had an exchange with Corrik. But mostly he just said I think this person is scum. Or I think this person is town. He didn't give much reasoning, just stated those opinions and left it as that.

He didn't give a lot of reasons on people beyond 5tar, but at the same time, his reads were basically that active people not named Ulti were town while the less active people were scum. Like, check this post out:

ScareChan posted...

1. Pezlo - town
2. Tom - sheeping pez
3. Ulti- scum
4. Eaed- town
5. Corrik - town lean
6. Sbell - barely town lean
7. Scare - mmmm
8. puns - town lean
9. IGCD - town lean
10. 5tar - scum
11.Han - town
12. Panth - scum lean
13. MZero - town
14. Death - town lean
15. Red- scum

Almost everyone who was active are town reads. His scum reads besides Ulti (who he later said he was faking the read on IIRC) are largely low activity players. I think I'm the most active out of that bunch and I had only been online for a few stretches at that point. So if he's scum trying to let town kill itself, why was he nudging people away from thinking the active players (the ones that would have to be almost all town for your idea of his intentions to make sense) were scum and directing attention to the other people whose activity could also look like they were sitting back? It doesn't really add up for scum to let town go at it in this way but then not try to capitalize on it by joining in.

Sitting back and letting town kill itself means not directing them onto anyone. So by leaning town on most of the talking people, he appears active while not actually directing any traffic.
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Hell I think
I have to go with
##Vote: Red
Myself.
Every other lynch feels either dirty or against someone I feel is towny (or just not feasible like IGCD)
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eaedwards6400 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

IGCD is clearly trolling at this point, which doesnt make him scum sadly.

I'm not trolling. I think these two will make an interesting EoD.

Why would you be looking for an interesting EoD over looking for which one is scum?

I basically answered this right after.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

##Unvote
##Vote:5tar

I said I wanted it close between Scare and 5tar ya'll piling on scare and him unvoting 5tar makes that difficult.

I don't like this at all. Only scum likes ties.

I have made that exact vote as town many times. Null.

Do you think Scare v 5tarscream is scum/scum, town/town, or town/scum?

I don't have a strong read. I am leaning scum/town but Scare isn't doing his main scumtell and that's tunnel a member of the town.

I outlined his vote totals through two games showing Scare doing exactly this.

His only vote this game is against Red though. Is he tunneling Red?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

Thats not a good reason to balance votes.
So you are saying you distrust them both equally?

No, but when all is said and done where people go and what they do will be telling and I believe in the possible chaos that can arise from 2 players being so close will give a well of information.

This DOES NOT outweigh the fact that when there is only two lynches that scum typically gets to pick which person gets lynched.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Who was around, who said Red is probably Scum, who did not hop on when me and Scare started pushing that avenue?

that'd be me I guess although I don't think I checked between the vote and the whole it being a trap thing

red is a lynch I'm cool with but so is pretty much every name being floated rn >_>
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eaedwards6400 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

Thats not a good reason to balance votes.
So you are saying you distrust them both equally?

No, but when all is said and done where people go and what they do will be telling and I believe in the possible chaos that can arise from 2 players being so close will give a well of information.

This DOES NOT outweigh the fact that when there is only two lynches that scum typically gets to pick which person gets lynched.

And if they lynch town it gives leads for the rest of us to work with.
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Guys

What if pez and tom and red are all scum

hey you know what a good way is to not lynch town? not lynching anybody~~~~

but seriously

htaeD posted...

or just not feasible like IGCD

I would probably hop over if that was a thing!
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pezloco posted...

Sitting back and letting town kill itself means not directing them onto anyone. So by leaning town on most of the talking people, he appears active while not actually directing any traffic.

What you're saying makes sense, I just don't think that's what was going on there.

htaeD posted...

Hell I think
I have to go with
##Vote: Red
Myself.
Every other lynch feels either dirty or against someone I feel is towny (or just not feasible like IGCD)

Which lynches are against town and which ones feel dirty to you? And what specifically about Red makes you think he's scum? I don't recall if you've mentioned him before.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Then vote for him.

maybe but I like 5tar still
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Any player likely to live a long time is always the best scan target.

Sooooo...me

<_<

oh ok
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eaedwards6400 posted...

SBell would you mind reiterating your thoughts on SBell for me?

I'm leaning town, but could probably be convinced to lynch him if it's the will of the game.
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Now that I have pointed out people avoiding Red, people have gotten on Red.
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Obellisk posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

SBell would you mind reiterating your thoughts on SBell for me?

I'm leaning town, but could probably be convinced to lynch him if it's the will of the game.

Ha ha ha.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Now that I have pointed out people avoiding Red, people have gotten on Red.

...it's a trap~!

So Han wants people to vote for scum and then they don't then Han tells them that it was a trap.and they say it is time to vote for red? What an interesting course of events
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UltimaterializerX posted...

[Red] has refused to answer me THREE TIMES now. All I asked for was a simple guess on what he thinks my role is. Thrice. He refused all three times, which does nothing for town. I simply wanted his guess on record before I flipped instead of after. I think I know why he wont do it.

I am not really understanding what his motivation would be to avoid that question as town OR scum, or yours to get him to answer it.
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Ulti are you mayor

eaedwards6400 posted...

So Han wants people to vote for scum and then they don't then Han tells them that it was a trap.and they say it is time to vote for red? What an interesting course of events

is this a slip?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I am not really understanding what his motivation would be to avoid that question as town OR scum, or yours to get him to answer it.

I actually think scum will think hes the opposite of what i think he is. People are really bad at reading ulti.

eaedwards6400 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

##Unvote
##Vote:5tar

I said I wanted it close between Scare and 5tar ya'll piling on scare and him unvoting 5tar makes that difficult.

I don't like this at all. Only scum likes ties.

I have made that exact vote as town many times. Null.

Do you think Scare v 5tarscream is scum/scum, town/town, or town/scum?

I don't have a strong read. I am leaning scum/town but Scare isn't doing his main scumtell and that's tunnel a member of the town.

Ed scum and knows starscream is scum? Hhmmm
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Also i realize opposites dont exactly exist in mafia but i couldn't think of a better term.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red, as scum after I flip, gets to go oh see this is why I didnt want to say anything. As town who gives a shit about guessing a role?

The second part I'm with you but the first part doesn't seem worth getting in this whole fight. Also do you usually die n1 or something?
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Also seriously people i gave fair warning i was going to lower activity here I'm at fucking disney world. This isn't somewhere i come very often(third time in my life).

Leafeon13N posted...

Also i realize opposites dont exactly exist in mafia but i couldn't think of a better term.

scum will think he's miller but he's actually THE GODFATHER!!!
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

So Han wants people to vote for scum and then they don't then Han tells them that it was a trap.and they say it is time to vote for red? What an interesting course of events

is this a slip?

Literally just a reiterating of what you said lol. I don't like that after you said that it was a trap that they felt okay voting Red. The timing makes it feel they were waiting for your permission lol. That's isnt what it was in actuality but that's why it felt important to reiterate your point.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

htaeD posted...

Hell I think
I have to go with
##Vote: Red
Myself.
Every other lynch feels either dirty or against someone I feel is towny (or just not feasible like IGCD)

For people who think Death is scum: the dude is a coward and would NEVER make this vote as scum.

How is this brave?
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Red are you gonna vote SBell

I think this is accurate votals; if any errors just lemee know.

Red(3): Scare, (Han), Death, Ulti
5tar(3): (Scare), SBell, (Ulti), Tom, (IGCD), IGCD
Sbell(2): (han), (scare), (Ulti), (Tom), (IGCD), (Puns), Puns, Han
Ulit(1): (eaed), Corrik, (Puns), (5tar), (IGCD)
Scare(1): (Ulti), Pez, (IGCD), (Puns), (Han)
Tom(1): (Puns), (igcd), (Pez), Red, (Puns)
Death(1): (Corrik), Panth
NoLynch(0): (Tom), (Tom), (Pez)
Pez(0): (IGCD)
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)

8 to lynch early, 11pm edt 8 pm pdt otherwise, 3 hours, 2 minutes left to day.
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Lawyer

if we can get a plurality on "Ulit" does the lynch get stopped I say we find out
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Fuck it i think ulti is being honest with his claim he doesn't like to go off safelist or actual scumlist with a character that could be counterclaim ed, that is too antitown for him. Vanilla is too boring for him to claim falsely and he wasn't twisting any responses to his claim. I think for the first time ever hes actually vanilla and honest(i dont know if first time sver I'm exaggerating).

Outside chance of like doctor but i dont think I'm wrong.

Gladiator Disabler

Leafeon13N posted...

Also i realize opposites dont exactly exist in mafia but i couldn't think of a better term.

I read this as team and was very confused.
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Am I nuts or was red scummoned
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ScareChan posted...

Am I nuts or was red scummoned

I'm sitting here eating dinner dont talk scummon to me person that has tunneled and been low impact two games in a row.

Leafeon13N posted...

Fuck it i think ulti is being honest with his claim he doesn't like to go off safelist or actual scumlist with a character that could be counterclaim ed, that is too antitown for him. Vanilla is too boring for him to claim falsely and he wasn't twisting any responses to his claim. I think for the first time ever hes actually vanilla and honest(i dont know if first time sver I'm exaggerating).

Outside chance of like doctor but i dont think I'm wrong.

Nah I think he's gladiator disabler

Leafeon13N posted...

ScareChan posted...

Am I nuts or was red scummoned

I'm sitting here eating dinner dont talk scummon to me person that has tunneled and been low impact two games in a row.

I've gone after between 3 and 5 players already
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Not with much gusto aside star

Leafeon13N posted...

Fuck it i think ulti is being honest with his claim he doesn't like to go off safelist or actual scumlist with a character that could be counterclaim ed, that is too antitown for him. Vanilla is too boring for him to claim falsely and he wasn't twisting any responses to his claim. I think for the first time ever hes actually vanilla and honest(i dont know if first time sver I'm exaggerating).

Outside chance of like doctor but i dont think I'm wrong.

This might be the first post that actually makes me think Red might be town.
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