Board 8 > WWE Mafia 4: Tell me he didn't just say that

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##Unvote
##Vote:5tar

I said I wanted it close between Scare and 5tar ya'll piling on scare and him unvoting 5tar makes that difficult.
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Scare, it really doesn't feel like you've done much besides push easy lynch 5tar this game. Red as a counterpush is interesting, but I'm not sure I buy it.
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IGCD is clearly trolling at this point, which doesnt make him scum sadly.
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Unofficial Votals

Scare(5): Ulti, Pez, IGCD, Puns, Han
5tar(2): (Scare), SBell, (Ulti), Tom, (IGCD)
Ulit(2): (eaed), Corrik, (Puns), 5tar, (IGCD)
Tom(1): (Puns), (igcd), (Pez), Red, (Puns)
Death(1): (Corrik), Panth
Red: Scare
Sbell(0): (han), (scare), (Ulti), (Tom), (IGCD), (Puns)
NoLynch(0): (Tom), (Tom), (Pez)
Pez(0): (IGCD)
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)
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Unofficial Votals

Scare(4): Ulti, Pez, (IGCD), Puns, Han
5tar(3): (Scare), SBell, (Ulti), Tom, (IGCD), IGCD
Ulit(2): (eaed), Corrik, (Puns), 5tar, (IGCD)
Tom(1): (Puns), (igcd), (Pez), Red, (Puns)
Death(1): (Corrik), Panth
Red: Scare
Sbell(0): (han), (scare), (Ulti), (Tom), (IGCD), (Puns)
NoLynch(0): (Tom), (Tom), (Pez)
Pez(0): (IGCD)
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)
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htaeD posted...

IGCD is clearly trolling at this point, which doesnt make him scum sadly.

I'm not trolling. I think these two will make an interesting EoD.
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Official votals

Scare(4): Ulti, Pez, (IGCD), Puns, Han
5tar(3): (Scare), SBell, (Ulti), Tom, (IGCD), IGCD
Ulit(2): (eaed), Corrik, (Puns), 5tar, (IGCD)
Red(1): Scare
Tom(1): (Puns), (igcd), (Pez), Red, (Puns)
Death(1): (Corrik), Panth
Sbell(0): (han), (scare), (Ulti), (Tom), (IGCD), (Puns)
NoLynch(0): (Tom), (Tom), (Pez)
Pez(0): (IGCD)
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)

with 15 alive 8 to lynch yadda yadda 11pm edt, 8pm pdt, 4 hours 53 min
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scare, it really doesn't feel like you've done much besides push easy lynch 5tar this game. Red as a counterpush is interesting, but I'm not sure I buy it.

I stirred the pot with Sbell that eneded up creating the Death and Corrik dynamic which gave us a lot

Starscream has been consistently scummy previously. I outlined a ton of people I thought were town already. I tried to lay bait with saying Ulti was scum and Corrik gave me reason to blow that plan up right away

everytime I am here I am doing something. For the most part things remain unchanged in my thoughts though
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Thats not a good reason to balance votes.
So you are saying you distrust them both equally?
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Death what are your thoughts
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Puns I do not think has given reason for voting me that I saw

and I think he liked me last I checked
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htaeD posted...

Thats not a good reason to balance votes.
So you are saying you distrust them both equally?

No, but when all is said and done where people go and what they do will be telling and I believe in the possible chaos that can arise from 2 players being so close will give a well of information.
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Ulti is excited because I think he really is town now and he actually gets to hunt and I was giving him praise so he is high on wanting me to be scum and take my head to ride the high
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ScareChan posted...

Death what are your thoughts

My thoughts are I should probably stop focusing on topic 1.
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ScareChan posted...

Puns I do not think has given reason for voting me that I saw

and I think he liked me last I checked

did I? I don't recall that.

nobody else jumps out and you have one of the biggest gaps between expectations and output.

I have to admit red is worse though in that regard. what's he done?

say he believes in roomate power and then not do anything else
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ScareChan posted...

say he believes in roomate power and then not do anything else

He's also decidedly NOT role fishing.
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feels like a trap

What does?
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red special

UltimaterializerX posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scare, it really doesn't feel like you've done much besides push easy lynch 5tar this game. Red as a counterpush is interesting, but I'm not sure I buy it.

Didnt you say earlier you didnt like how Red is playing this game?

Yes, but I don't buy Scare's switch on him per se.

But I think I do now.

##Unvote: Scare
##Vote: Red

Scare, for the record, if you are Town, and 5tar flips Town with SBell as Scum, you owe me big.
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turbopuns3 posted...

feels like a trap

shhh you weren't supposed to say this yet -_-
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if 5star flips town I am okay lynching sbell
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I will say Scare, it feels like you are laggin behind and taking some odd posts to comment on out of everything thats been said. Stuff Like..

Didn't death and corrik both go over this? And corrik made the point of sultan prepared a warning period pre Game before it started that would sync up his time frame

That was already covered pages ago.

What did you want to do before you voted Red?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

feels like a trap

shhh you weren't supposed to say this yet -_-

uhhhhHHH I mean

vote red

Was thinking about switching to red last night. I liked enough of starscream today to persue red instead
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Good afternoon. I should mostly be here until deadline, maybe with a break for supper in there somewhere.

First off, Han you unvoted SBell to vote for Scare, but you noted that you felt like SBell was setting himself up to bus Scare. If that's the case, wouldn't SBell be the higher priority target?

Second, let me draw some attention to a pair of posts by 5tar.

This was to Pez:

5tarscream posted...

So you simply think they are mistaken. Well I mean you think Im scum and Im not but when I flip town youll just dismiss this as oh I guess they were wrong and give them a pass?

This was to SBell and was noticed by a few players:

5tarscream posted...

SBell youre making a mistake and youre playing right into scum hands doing it. Remember this if I get lynched D1. Make sure you are 100% certain that in the scummiest person here and when I flip town feel absolutely horrible for putting my name on the board and allowing scum to just slowly drive the votes up

People noted the latter post looks like he knows SBell is town. The former also gives me the sense he knows Pez is town. There's no suspicion that these thought processes are scummy and that's why they don't add up, just certainty that it's mistaken town play. You can argue either of them just being addressed to a town read, sure, but put together it really feels like 5tar was trying a little too hard to appeal to what he knows are town mindsets.

Now, Ulti. I've asked this before and got no answer so here it is again: You have said you think Death is trying to figure the game out and noted that he's different than he is as scum, which you describe as "faking activity". In this game Death has gotten into lengthy arguments with people that suspect him and questioned a lot, but not really taken many strong positions without them being coaxed out. This feels like faking activity to me. I want to know what you think I'm missing (this could be directed to anyone who thinks Death is town, actually). Death has raised a couple of points I liked here and there but I don't see where he's trying to do much with them.

I could go for either of these two (Death or 5tar). By extension I don't like the SBell lynch due to 5tar's comment to him. This Scare lynch feels like it's grown up pretty suddenly but I like Han and Puns and don't see how Pez could be scum at this point, and am slightly leaning town on Ulti so I don't think it's a scum push. Scare has largely done under the radar for me beyond checking his posts for whether they add up with what 5tar was saying about him or not, I'll have to look into him more I think.

Still don't like IGCD, for everyone saying he does this kind of thing as town, have you ever seen him as scum to know he doesn't also do it that way? It's not so much the votes (I have seen him troll the game with his vote as town before) as some of the things he's said, he's commented a few times in ways that try to make it seem like he's been more relevant than he has (saying he'll be busy soon when he wasn't posting before that, saying nothing is being said to look like there wasn't anything going on worth posting about). I also feel like MZero has vanished from the game. I know timezones and all but did he even post last night or whenever his last period of being awake would have been?
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I was about to ask where Panth was at this time too.
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Hi Death. Who do you plan on voting?
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oh I am down to lynch panth too

just dont like him
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he hasn't been around enough for my tastes but I generally like his reasoning when he shows up

panth who is town
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Panthera posted...

Hi Death. Who do you plan on voting?

At this rate? I do like Scare a little less than 5tar andmost of the voters on Scare I trust more than the voters on 5tar.
But thats a terrible set of facts to base a vote on. So I will get back to you when I am done catching up.
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altho, now seeing Hans vote
I dont like it.

It seems to be either petty or too indirect.
Why go after scare if you already think sbell is scum? Since you already said:

Scare, I dont want to lynch 5tar today. Will you lynch SBell instead?

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ScareChan posted...

oh I am down to lynch panth too

just dont like him

I said I was sorry bro!

Tom Bombadil posted...

he hasn't been around enough for my tastes but I generally like his reasoning when he shows up

panth who is town

Pez for sure. Puns and Han most likely. SBell by extension of 5tar's perspective slip. Leaning positive on Ulti. Think I like Corrik too.

Now, my catch up post I just made gave you five of those six reads. So why did you feel the need to ask this in general instead of asking about other players I didn't mention or for further details on the guys I need? This post bugs me.
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Ugh I'm having some internet problems, hopefully this clears up. I will try my best to be around as much as possible but I might be out of action for stretches.
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Oh Han unvoted.
Than I hate not being able to judge his seriousness.
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sorry for what
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Game aside: I know your pain, Panth.
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I was mainly reading that post for your suspicions so I kinda glossed over some of the town reads
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ScareChan posted...

sorry for what

It's a joke. I "retired" from mafia because I was annoyed at myself for being a dick to you in the last game I played.
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ScareChan posted...

sorry for what

our daddy taught us not t'be ashamed of our reads
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Panthera posted...

ScareChan posted...

sorry for what

It's a joke. I "retired" from mafia because I was annoyed at myself for being a dick to you in the last game I played.

refresh my memory so I can gauge anger and then accept your apology
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Tom Bombadil posted...

ScareChan posted...

sorry for what

our daddy taught us not t'be ashamed of our reads

what is this from because I know what "reads" is supposed to be
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I was mainly reading that post for your suspicions so I kinda glossed over some of the town reads

My suspicion of 5tar carried town points for Pez and SBell in it. My question to Ulti about Death kind of implied I lean town on Ulti enough to want his input. Talking about the Scare lynch also seems like something you wouldn't gloss over. Weren't you and Pez lamenting people not fully reading games?
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SBell is totes Scum but I wanted to see where the Scare thing went.

Don't feel as good about it now.

Are we just going to end up lynching Miz because I'm completely ok with that.
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why Miz

I dont see "open claim miller as scum" in his playbook
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and do you think sbell and starscream can be scum together
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