Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 3.

(+) Yeah! (+)

My tell is basing my opinion on the information I see instead of just sticking to whatever the first impression is. I am seriously 100% ok with you lynching me today and exposing yourself and Scare as scum in the process. Go ahead.

UltimaterializerX posted...

5tarscream posted...

ScareChan posted...

Likewise starscream is scum spiral of

This is the exact logic for Ulti being scum along with yourself and Han.
I'm town, if you lynch me today when I flip town you've basically just admitted that by default Ulti and yourself are scum. I'll take that deal in an instant.
Please somebody make sure this is brought up tomorrow and driven hard. In fact I'd go as far as saying when I flip town Corrik should instagib either yourself or Ulti and let the rest of town lynch the other.

You are literally only suspecting the people who are accusing you.

Except SBell accused me and I think he's town and at no point did I vote for him. I also suspected death but after more questioning and seeing his interactions with Corrik and pez I backed off that read. I voted you way before you decided I was scum. Nice timeline you have there.

I explained why I changed my opinion on SBell actually. Ironically it was the same reason you gave for switching on puns. Like I said I think he's town playing poorly and has made a bad read on me because I suspected him.
If you're not going to bother reading past the point where you THINK you've found some treasure then you're wasting my time. That's twice you've been all oh ho ho looky what I found why didn't you do this when I did if you'd just kept reading. Dayviging yourself gives literally no information on other people other than the person that used the power. Me being lynched because you and Scare are scum however does give information. You've both claimed I'm scum and the reasoning behind it is awful.

Scare thinks I'm scum because he thought I was being too soft and following other peoples leads without thinking for myself. (Both of which are wrong. Using the information others are providing to make your own judgements is the only way to play this game in the early days imo. Town are a bunch of individuals trying to find each other and work together before it's too late. You can't do that if you're not willing to think for yourself. You'll be easily led astray by scum. Scum can and do work together from the very get go. Like Han, Scare and yourself for example)
Han thinks i'm scum because he is following scare in accusing me of following people.
You think I'm scum because I changed my mind on something. Not unlike you did.

Those are the reasons why lynching me and me flipping town gives more information than you trying to draw the potential dayvig of another player. Lynch me, i'll flip town and you 3 will have to try and bullshit your way out of a corner. I don't believe you can all fool the town and once one of you flips scum the other two are easy.

I'm not really fussed what order the 3 of you are lynched. 3 scum for 1 town is a win in my book.

Votals

Ulit(5): eaed, Corrik, Puns, 5tar, IGCD
5tar(3): Scare, SBell, Ulti
Sbell(2): han, (scare), (Ulti), Tom, (IGCD), (Puns)
Tom(1): (Puns), (igcd), (Pez), Red
Death(1): (Corrik), Panth
NoLynch(0): (Tom), (Tom), (Pez)
Pez(0): (IGCD)
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)

If any errors, let me know.
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch, otherwise, day ends on Monday, June 3rd, 11pm EDT, 8pm PDT... about 19 hours, 44 minutes from now.
---

He later backed off on it when Eaed said he'd mistyped and meant to say "feels like he's hunting scum" (lot of words to forgot, but okay). When I saw this post, I got confused for a moment and then realized Eaed just typed the wrong thing. I do not trust putting Eaed on the Gladiator target list over this when it's so easy to realize what was meant. If he said he disliked the post for the hedge on Corrik, sure, but he only went to that after Eaed clarified what he meant to say. This feels like someone just going for an easy/obvious contradiction to push instead of really thinking things through to figure them out.

I did go for a contradiction there. Just not the one that actually existed.
I didnt consider him making a typo, why would I? Like you said, thats a lot of words to forget.
I thought he was calling corrik scum and then trying to say he liked stuff Corrik did anyway.

Also 5tarscream has changed his mind about me like a dozen times now. (Just 2 times I think actually, but I like to be hyperbolic)
---

wrong word
*I did go for a hedge there (though isnt that a form of a contradiction anyway?)

I didnt really have time to push anything in that hour. Eaed wasnt around yet anyway.
---

UltimaterializerX posted...

For those playing the home game: Puns says one of Han and I are scum. I countered by saying when I flip town, he wont actually go after Han tomorrow. Puns then refuses to actually say hell go after Han tomorrow.

This is called a perspective slip. What Puns is actually saying here is that he already knows Han and I are both town.

sounds like you might be slipping that you know SBell is town if anything >_>
---

UltimaterializerX posted...

Here's the thing. I posted "I volunteer" to Corrik in topic 1, post 414. I very much explained my logic; Corrik is a very good player and I am okay with sacrificing myself to confirm him town. If Mafia Gladiator exists, then this game does not exist and Sultan can go fuck off from ever hosting again. That was my logic. Panthera told you as much in this very topic.

Scum Gladiator is fine. Even Suprak has used it!
---

RNG meta is bad in general. I rolled the Miz which is literally my Mafia nickname. It happens

Scare why didn't you respond to red when he answered your question? In fact you went out of your way to say you had nothing to say (in general)
---

MZero11 posted...

RNG meta is bad in general. I rolled the Miz which is literally my Mafia nickname. It happens

Based on ultis claim and yours and what I know of mine, I'd argue that flavor was appointed and not randomized. But that's for another time.

Good morning, woke up with a throbbing headache.

Ulti is a little all over the place. He's gone from I'm 100% scum to he's definitely scum but we have to lynch someone else today, to well I'm thinking maybe town lean.

it's starting to look like he's trying to backtrack. But why?
---

UltimaterializerX posted...

Hold up, that flavor point is a good one. Whats your flavor, Stu?

I'm not ready for that.
---

oh hey I don't feel like crap anymore, super

pezloco posted...

So, singling out those who are being quiet, Puns, IGCD, Red, MZero, and Eaed, I'm curious what other people's reads are on these 5 in particular.

They...are all quiet, yeah. Could go for any of the five. Red is the only one I know well enough (in maf) to say "well he's always like that" but he's also the only one I know well enough to be particularly scared of if he's scum. Folks have vouched that IGCD is always like this but it's gotten a bit silly at this point, so I guess my ranking would be like Red > IGCD > MZero > Puns/Eaed?

turbopuns3 posted...

I was posting at 2am last night and you called me inactive at 2pm today. Like, bruh.

I don't think this is worth getting upset over? (I am aware that I have been essentially gone for longer than that right now, yes >_>) 12 hours isn't a lynchable gap but it also isn't a MAN I JUST POSTED gap either.

I like how Ulti dislikes roommate powers and then invokes "we're-going-to-get-a-drink-sometime" powers on puns

Kinda weird that Ulti went back and counted posts from last game, but....not this one? I was starting to like Ulti but this isn't a good look.

what's an ISO

Obellisk posted...

I want to say I've seen this staunch refusal to be wrong in town Ulti before.

Ulti sticking to his guns? next you'll tell me chris likes to get his way

Obellisk posted...

I'll break ranks and lynch him this game but at this moment in time his attack on me really doesn't feel like it's coming from scum.

????

Panthera posted...

Okay Puns is town, reread the beginning of this topic if you doubt it. He's genuinely annoyed at how Ulti is attacking his activity. Like, look at that and tell me the mindset is anything but "what the f*** is this guy for real attacking me for this stupid s***".

y'know you've got a point here- I was kinda putting Puns v. Ulti in the Han v. Sbell category of "I don't like either argument here so I think one is scum" but yeah that does kinda sound like an annoyed town

(Panth asked me about my reaction to Han/Sbell)

Both were scummy but it had a bit too much fire to it to feel like scum/scum.

maybe it's TWO FAMILIES!!!

I am trying really hard to process all this panth/5tar/scare stuff and my brain is just not

pezloco posted...

Town Tom contributes more I think.

if you think I have started lying about out of game stuff (I said I was gonna be gone most of the day, and you're responding to the post where I said I wasn't feeling good) you can ask Wifebolo what kinda condition I was in for mafia when we got back last night. (or maybe that would be skirting the rules so ask sultan first) I would've tried if somebody had said we were doing an early b8 special or something, but nobody did so I sat with a washcloth on my head for a bit and then went to bed like the horrible scum I am

still catching up
---

Tom Bombadil posted...

Obellisk posted...
I'll break ranks and lynch him this game but at this moment in time his attack on me really doesn't feel like it's coming from scum.

????

Whats the question? I'm calling Ulti town, but saying I could be pulled in his direction, it's Ulti, afterall.
---

Then whats the point of calling him town?
---

ScareChan posted...

I am around but have nothing to say

alright good talk

Not the biggest fan of Ulti but really don't like 5tar and IGCD wagoning on him, and eaed isn't my fave in general either.

sbell posted...

I'd argue that flavor was appointed and not randomized.

I must've missed the original post of this, but I would like to go on record as kinda doubting that- I am one of the bigger wrestling fans in this game and have interacted with Sultan a decent bit and didn't get anybody with a particular connection to me.

Anyway, I think the Ulti train is enough to get me to hop off Sbell. Corrik and Han don't seem that scummy to me at this point, eaed's vote came first, and 5tar has more support than IGCD right now so

##Unvote: SBell
##Vote: 5tar

I'll be generally around today although I will be at work for the first part of it and might be falling asleep by deadline
---

I switched Puns and Han in that post but Puns I feel better about than Han anyway.
---

Obellisk posted...

Based on ultis claim and yours and what I know of mine, I'd argue that flavor was appointed and not randomized. But that's for another time.

Good morning, woke up with a throbbing headache. ?

I think your headache is making you say things that make no sense at all.
No host should appoint flavors. Even if the roles are still randomized.
---

Tom Bombadil posted...

I must've missed the original post of this, but I would like to go on record as kinda doubting that- I am one of the bigger wrestling fans in this game and have interacted with Sultan a decent bit and didn't get anybody with a particular connection to me.

Well I doubt we all have flavor matching us in the wrestling world. And I can only go off of what the internet told me about my character. But if oth claims are true it's more than coincidence if 3 players have a connection to their flavor.

Again, it's a moot point and will not help us lynch scum today.
---

htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

Based on ultis claim and yours and what I know of mine, I'd argue that flavor was appointed and not randomized. But that's for another time.

Good morning, woke up with a throbbing headache. ?

I think your headache is making you say things that make no sense at all.
No host should appoint flavors. Even if the roles are still randomized.

Agreed. I'm just pointing out what I am seeing.
---

Obellisk posted...

htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

Based on ultis claim and yours and what I know of mine, I'd argue that flavor was appointed and not randomized. But that's for another time.

Good morning, woke up with a throbbing headache. ?

I think your headache is making you say things that make no sense at all.
No host should appoint flavors. Even if the roles are still randomized.

Agreed. I'm just pointing out what I am seeing.

It was randomized
---

5tarscream posted...

So is this you basically just saying you're in trouble and trying to switch the attention to me because you've realised you're getting absolutely nowhere with calling out puns because he's town and he's seen through your charade.

And you are not town, 5tar?

Also Ulti never having seen a scumgladiator is an odd coincidence... I dont buy that he believes that scumgladiators cannot exist.
---

Also this could be an attempt to flavorfish.
So stop talking about it.
---

htaeD posted...

Also this could be an attempt to flavorfish.
So stop talking about it.

I'm not asking anyone to share information that has not already been presented to the game.

I am in no way attempting to draw out information.

If I want to Meta something, I will.

Thank you for your concern.
---

That was rude.

Death, I love you. I'm sorry.
---

Meanwhile 5tar.
Please space your posts more. Ugh.
If I were grading your work as a coding file I'd have to give you a 1 for style.
---

Obellisk posted...

That was rude.

Death, I love you. I'm sorry.

Psh. I get to deal with Corrik every day. You dont have to say sorry for that.
---

Obellisk posted...

I love you. I'm sorry.

sbell is crumbing HBK!!! (this is a joke)

actually I can think of a connection between my flavor and myself now that I think of it a bit more but it's a weak one and heck I posted a DX skit in the signups so that would've been the obvious one to give me. I'm not super concerned about flavorfishing since we already had a frickin' Roman Reigns claim >_>

Gladiator seems too strong to me unless there's a possibility it can be scum. Confirm yourself AND essentially dayvig?
---

Votals

Ulit(4): eaed, Corrik,IGCD puns
5tar(2): Scare, SBell, Tom, (ulti)
Tom(1): (Puns), (igcd), (Pez), Red
Death(1): (Corrik), Panth
Sbell(1): han, (scare), (Ulti,) (Tom), (IGCD), (Puns)
Scare (1): ulti
NoLynch(0): (Tom), (Tom), (Pez)
Pez(0): (IGCD)
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)
---

turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its also hysterical that you actually think you can mislynch Han tomorrow once I flip town, by the way.

???

I said that if SBell is town, then at least one of you is scum

Thay doesn't make your argument look any better.
---

I've only read up to near the end of the last page but...

##Unvote
##Vote:5tar
---

##Unvote

Looking at votals that doesn't sit well with me either.
---

IGCD. Explanations with your statements plz.
---

Has igcd done anything except vote on the lynch leader this game?
---

Tom Bombadil posted...

I switched Puns and Han in that post but Puns I feel better about than Han anyway.

I thought you agreed with me about Han being town?

Also I didn't get that you were feeling bad. I read your post as oh my there is so much circular logic and general D1 stuff to read. I'm getting a headache from the pure D1ness. Not I'm actually maybe sick right now and need to lay down. My bad.
---

IfGodCouldDie posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its also hysterical that you actually think you can mislynch Han tomorrow once I flip town, by the way.

???

I said that if SBell is town, then at least one of you is scum

Thay doesn't make your argument look any better.

Wtf? This is like the most irrelevant and oddly specific point ever.

What does this have to do with my original argument? It's completely separate from that.

You SHOULD be noticing how Ulti sounds completely insane in that exchange.

Obellisk posted...

Has igcd done anything except vote on the lynch leader this game?

He voted me as the first person
---

Like, seriously

> Ulti makes a point to call me scum that is based on something that never happened

> I say "um, what. That never happened?"

> IGCD chimes in to attack an argument I had made like 80 posts before?