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Gobstoppers12
05/28/19 6:08:52 PM
#52:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Only sticklers feign to have sympathy for something that doesn't even remble a human being, let alone have more sentience than a fish.

That's a pretty fucked up way to talk about your father in his early months.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:11:08 PM
#53:


_Rinku_ posted...
Guys, don't respond to karl; he doesn't argue in good faith.


There's nothing bad about my arguments other than you simply don't like my points. Get the over yourself.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:12:20 PM
#54:


korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.
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korol_i_shut
05/28/19 6:15:39 PM
#55:


karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.


I'm Christian, so I agree, but not everyone is going to heaven, why not let them do what they want to do? God will sort them out.
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:15:51 PM
#56:


karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.

Well too bad because it is. You can't legislate something out of existence no matter how much you don't like it. All you're doing is making it more dangerous.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:16:53 PM
#57:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.

Well too bad because it is. You can't legislate something out of existence no matter how much you don't like it. All you're doing is making it more dangerous.


I have no idea what you're talking about. Legislate what out of existence?
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:17:48 PM
#58:


korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.


why not let them do what they want to do?


Because killing innocents shouldn't be allowed.
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:18:40 PM
#59:


karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.

Well too bad because it is. You can't legislate something out of existence no matter how much you don't like it. All you're doing is making it more dangerous.


I have no idea what you're talking about. Legislate what out of existence?

Read your own post and pick mine up from there.

Jesus Christ...
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korol_i_shut
05/28/19 6:20:22 PM
#60:


karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.


why not let them do what they want to do?


Because killing innocents shouldn't be allowed.


according to whom? any and everything is "allowed", you might have to go to prison for it, but it's allowed, you might end up in hell for it, but it's still allowed.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:25:03 PM
#61:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.

Well too bad because it is. You can't legislate something out of existence no matter how much you don't like it. All you're doing is making it more dangerous.


I have no idea what you're talking about. Legislate what out of existence?

Read your own post and pick mine up from there.

Jesus Christ...


Your fake outrage isnt impressing anyone. There are laws in different states now that are making abortion illegal. So I ask again, legislate what out of existence? Either be clear, or stop replying.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:25:56 PM
#62:


korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you don't want to make laws for the minority, yet you want to appease the minority by banning abortion.


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.


why not let them do what they want to do?


Because killing innocents shouldn't be allowed.


according to whom? any and everything is "allowed", you might have to go to prison for it, but it's allowed, you might end up in hell for it, but it's still allowed.


The law.
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korol_i_shut
05/28/19 6:28:28 PM
#63:


yeah but theres plenty of people sitting in prison right now that didn't care about the law.
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meestermj
05/28/19 6:30:30 PM
#64:


Christian's get outraged over "shariah law" and are so afraid of it.
How is it any different than making laws based in Christianity?

Religion shaping laws is a negative. Always.
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TreyFlowers
05/28/19 6:32:30 PM
#65:


_Rinku_ posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
Hairistotle posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
What if your parents decided to have an abortion

then i wouldnt know or care because i would be nothing

i am pro-choice because to override a woman's bodily autonomy and force pregnancy and birth on her, that's criminal

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korol_i_shut
05/28/19 6:33:06 PM
#66:


meestermj posted...
Christian's get outraged over "shariah law" and are so afraid of it.
How is it any different than making laws based in Christianity?

Religion shaping laws is a negative. Always.


not really, sharia law is fine in majority muslim states. why would we care what they do?
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jborgan
05/28/19 6:35:39 PM
#67:


Sex education, easy access to birth control, and the choice to have an abortion reduces the number of abortions. Isn't that what pro-lifers want?
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:35:40 PM
#68:


karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
korol_i_shut posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...


Abortion laws should reflect the majority. In minor instances, they should be adjusted based on the actual circumstances. 99% of woman chose to have unprotected sex, and should not be allowed to kill a literal life, because of their poor choices.

Got it now? Good.


but would a person who would have an abortion be a good parent? or will they just raise a sack of shit that will wind up carjacking you at a red light?


There's adoption, protection, abstinence and parenthood. 4 different choices depending on the mothers needs. Killing shouldnt be one of them.

Well too bad because it is. You can't legislate something out of existence no matter how much you don't like it. All you're doing is making it more dangerous.


I have no idea what you're talking about. Legislate what out of existence?

Read your own post and pick mine up from there.

Jesus Christ...


Your fake outrage isnt impressing anyone. There are laws in different states now that are making abortion illegal. So I ask again, legislate what out of existence? Either be clear, or stop replying.

Abortion.

You know, like the one single topic that we're talking about.
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TreyFlowers
05/28/19 6:36:38 PM
#69:


Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:43:38 PM
#70:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:47:24 PM
#71:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...


Abortion.

You know, like the one single topic that we're talking about.


States are slowly making abortion illegal. So you can legislate it. Can you stop 100% of people from doing it anyway? No, but that's not an argument for not making it harder. It really isnt hard to understand. You'd think your condescending attitude would be backed by a better point.
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:47:56 PM
#72:


karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?


You're making them more dangerous. Yes there will be fewer of them, but negligibly so. Not nearly enough to warrant a ban. Especially not along with the former point.
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Hanky_Bannister
05/28/19 6:52:30 PM
#73:


spudger posted...
cuz they are american

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NeWsKiLLz
05/28/19 6:53:14 PM
#74:


I'm pro abortion even for adults. Your parents should be able to abort you at 30 if your living at home still.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 6:57:12 PM
#75:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?


You're making them more dangerous. Yes there will be fewer of them, but negligibly so. Not nearly enough to warrant a ban. Especially not along with the former point.


They shouldn't be doing them at all. Kinda like how selling your organs is illegal, and represents major risk if you do it anyway.

Sorry, but killing innocent lives, shouldn't be allowed just because someone will do it anyway in a more risky way.
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:59:35 PM
#76:


karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?


You're making them more dangerous. Yes there will be fewer of them, but negligibly so. Not nearly enough to warrant a ban. Especially not along with the former point.


They shouldn't be doing them at all. Kinda like how selling your organs is illegal, and represents major risk if you do it anyway.

Sorry, but killing innocent lives, shouldn't be allowed just because someone will do it anyway in a more risky way.


This shows me you aren't in touch with reality and only think of laws as being a validation of morality.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 7:02:39 PM
#77:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?


You're making them more dangerous. Yes there will be fewer of them, but negligibly so. Not nearly enough to warrant a ban. Especially not along with the former point.


They shouldn't be doing them at all. Kinda like how selling your organs is illegal, and represents major risk if you do it anyway.

Sorry, but killing innocent lives, shouldn't be allowed just because someone will do it anyway in a more risky way.


This shows me you aren't in touch with reality and only think of laws as being a validation of morality.


Anything else, or do you want to post anymore logical fallacies to disguise a lack of intellectual argument?
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 7:03:52 PM
#78:


karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?


You're making them more dangerous. Yes there will be fewer of them, but negligibly so. Not nearly enough to warrant a ban. Especially not along with the former point.


They shouldn't be doing them at all. Kinda like how selling your organs is illegal, and represents major risk if you do it anyway.

Sorry, but killing innocent lives, shouldn't be allowed just because someone will do it anyway in a more risky way.


This shows me you aren't in touch with reality and only think of laws as being a validation of morality.


Anything else, or do you want to post anymore logical fallacies to disguise a lack of intellectual argument?

Your continual inability to understand my argument is not my lacking an argument.
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 8:12:57 PM
#79:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Making abortion illegal isn't gonna stop women having them


idk what kind of point this is suppose to be. Laws make people less likely to commit them. Stealing is illegal. Should we make it legal again, by your logic?


You're making them more dangerous. Yes there will be fewer of them, but negligibly so. Not nearly enough to warrant a ban. Especially not along with the former point.


They shouldn't be doing them at all. Kinda like how selling your organs is illegal, and represents major risk if you do it anyway.

Sorry, but killing innocent lives, shouldn't be allowed just because someone will do it anyway in a more risky way.


This shows me you aren't in touch with reality and only think of laws as being a validation of morality.


Anything else, or do you want to post anymore logical fallacies to disguise a lack of intellectual argument?

Your continual inability to understand my argument is not my lacking an argument.


I understood everything you said. Youre simply looking to now use logical fallacies to argue your point. Sorry, its not gonna work.
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Machete
05/28/19 8:14:11 PM
#80:


Hairistotle posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
What if your parents decided to have an abortion

then i wouldnt know or care because i would be nothing

i am pro-choice because to override a woman's bodily autonomy and force pregnancy and birth on her, that's criminal


This... and I say it as an adopted person who could very well have been aborted instead
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gatorsPENSbucs
05/28/19 8:18:38 PM
#81:


Because there's already too many fucked up people and we don't need more (like druggies raping other druggies), and we don't need to force people to bring something into this world that they don't want.
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Machete
05/28/19 8:42:13 PM
#82:


Lmao at Dilkington using "u SaY LoGiCaL pHaLLuSiEs" as an argument here. How ridiculous...
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karlpilkington4
05/28/19 8:45:57 PM
#83:


Machete posted...
Lmao at Dilkington using "u SaY LoGiCaL pHaLLuSiEs" as an argument here. How ridiculous...


Pointing out a logical fallacy is the opposite of ridiculous. Sorry, but I'm here for a real discussion, not to be called names or to have strawmen shoved into my face. You used multiple in your post alone, so I really wouldn't talk about what's "ridiculous".
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Dynamus
05/28/19 9:00:57 PM
#84:


The argument that a mother without access to an abortion will be a bad mother has always been a funny one to me.

It's like YES because a woman with virtually no responsibilities will be awful and yet what does abortion seek to do? Take another one of those responsibilities away.

Imagine actually getting pregnant when you have access to nearly all the contraceptives.
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MysticMirage
05/28/19 9:14:19 PM
#85:


Come to Canada, have a quick cheap abortion, head home.

We'll take care of you all.
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Tyranthraxus
05/28/19 9:22:10 PM
#86:


Dynamus posted...
The argument that a mother without access to an abortion will be a bad mother has always been a funny one to me.

It's like YES because a woman with virtually no responsibilities will be awful and yet what does abortion seek to do? Take another one of those responsibilities away.


I'm just saying typically speaking, if someone can't handle responsibilities it is actually the appropriate response to take the responsibility away.

Like, if some military private goes AWOL you don't punish him by promoting him to Sargent because "surely the added responsibility will wake him up"
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IMNOTRAGED
05/28/19 9:25:41 PM
#87:


Hairistotle posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
What if your parents decided to have an abortion

then i wouldnt know or care because i would be nothing

i am pro-choice because to override a woman's bodily autonomy and force pregnancy and birth on her, that's criminal

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Dynamus
05/28/19 9:35:10 PM
#88:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Dynamus posted...
The argument that a mother without access to an abortion will be a bad mother has always been a funny one to me.

It's like YES because a woman with virtually no responsibilities will be awful and yet what does abortion seek to do? Take another one of those responsibilities away.


I'm just saying typically speaking, if someone can't handle responsibilities it is actually the appropriate response to take the responsibility away.

Like, if some military private goes AWOL you don't punish him by promoting him to Sargent because "surely the added responsibility will wake him up"


It's more like getting demoted not getting promoted. But I can agree, though I've been on the fence on this topic since it's return.

On one hand, I don't want them raising kids.
On the other, stop coddling women by taking what little responsibility they actually have away.
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lincoln002
05/28/19 9:35:42 PM
#89:


I feel like a woman should be able to get an abortion if she doesn't want to have the child but it should only be allowed for a certain time, obviously more than 6 weeks since a women can't tell whether she's pregnant or not by then, but definitely not after 6 months cuz then you're literally killing a baby. So I am pro abortion and also against abortion.

I think what Alabama did is pretty messed up.
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Cheddah_Cheese
05/28/19 9:47:14 PM
#90:


Im pro-its a womans body so who are you to tell her what she can and cant do with it?
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BilalPowell
05/28/19 9:51:18 PM
#91:


It makes dead baby jokes more realistic.
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Psyonix
05/28/19 9:59:50 PM
#92:


I'm pro abortion because a living breathing human life will always have priority over one that isnt. In this case if it's a woman who needs tondonwhats right in her circumstance it's her right to do so
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FreshSushi
05/28/19 10:07:56 PM
#93:


don't give a shit about fetuses

im not rich enough to be able to avoid the shit kids produced by the poor and irresponsible people who would need an abortion to begin with
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Typhon
05/28/19 10:27:59 PM
#94:


I think abortion should be legal, because I believe women should have the right to choose up to a point (don't ask me when, I'm not smart enough).

I also think if you abort a healthy fetus that was the result of consensual unprotected sex, you're a shit tier person.

I also think any person using the "clump of cells" or "parasite" arguments is either extremely disingenuous or dumb.

I also think the father should have more rights when it comes to abortion (don't ask me how, I'm not smart enough), because I've seen too many women use the threat of an abortion to control the father's life.
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hockeybub89
05/28/19 10:29:37 PM
#95:


I'm pro-choice. I don't think everyone should have an abortion, only those that don't want kids at that point in time.

And I guess I wouldn't have an opinion if my parents aborted me because I would have never been.
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Tyranthraxus
05/28/19 10:32:19 PM
#96:


Typhon posted...
I also think if you abort a healthy fetus that was the result of consensual unprotected sex, you're a shit tier person.

Why do you think someone would do this?

Seems like a lot of bullshit to put yourself through.
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Feline_Heart
05/28/19 10:33:38 PM
#97:


Abortion is murder but Id definitely want a girl to have one if neither of us were ready to be parents, so it would be hypocritical for me to be anti-abortion. I support it because Im selfish
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Typhon
05/28/19 10:41:54 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Typhon posted...
I also think if you abort a healthy fetus that was the result of consensual unprotected sex, you're a shit tier person.

Why do you think someone would do this?

Seems like a lot of bullshit to put yourself through.


Why would someone abort a healthy fetus that was the result of consensual unprotected sex?

I'm not a mind reader, but the only reasons I could come up with all lead back to them being a shit tier person, in my opinion.
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eston
05/28/19 10:53:25 PM
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Calwings
05/28/19 11:01:17 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
You are a hypocrite if you are against abortion but also dont want to funnel millions of dollars into welfare for people you are forcing to be parents, and billions into infrastructure for foster care for these unwanted kids to be taken care of until adopted.

This is the main reason for me too.

I would be much more understanding to the "pro-life" side of things if they were actually pro-life all the way through the child's life and didn't stop caring about those families the second the baby is born. In fact, in an ideal world, I would be against general abortion (except for extreme cases like rape babies or the mother's life being at risk) because I'd be comfortable knowing that the child would be living at least a decently happy life after it's born.

But so many kids are being born into poverty, hunger, horrific living conditions, chaotic/abusive families, you name it, and so many of the "pro-life" people out there don't seem to give a damn about actually helping these kids and their families once the kid is born. They just say things like "the parents should start working harder to support their kids" or "then they shouldn't have had unprotected sex in the first place" and just ignore the suffering. They don't actually care about saving that life. They care about controlling that life and limiting the rights and freedoms of the mother.

If the parents are barely getting by financially even without a kid, what possible good is there in insuring that birth happens when the kid and both of the parents are going to suffer afterwards? Instead of two adults living at least semi-happily and one unborn, not viable fetus being aborted, you now have two adults and their child suffering under bad living conditions. So unless the "pro-life" supporters also want to expand welfare programs and other services to help families like this have enough to survive and live happily, then they're not truly pro-life at all.

I agree that abortion should never be the first option. Contraceptives and better sex education would be helpful, and putting the kid up for adoption should take priority if it's economically feasible. But in situations where a pregnancy has already begun and having an abortion is the best option for the mother's physical/mental health and the family's livelihood and economic stability, it should be an option available for women to take.
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ImmatureContent
05/28/19 11:03:33 PM
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Life has no inherent value. A fetus is no more aware of its existence than a tree or bacteria. It doesn't care if you abort it. The reason murder is wrong is because you are taking life away from someone that is aware of their existence. They actually care about living and you don't have the right to take that away. An unborn fetus has no concept of being alive or anything else. Misguided people project their own emotions onto the fetus. That is why they care. Or they believe in mythical concepts like souls.
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