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Tmaster148 05/30/19 11:16:57 AM #202:	Weird you want to ignore my counter offer. Really shows you have no interest in compromise. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:922562992] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>Weird you want to ignore my counter offer. Really shows you have no interest in compromise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfunction 05/30/19 11:18:40 AM #203:	A lot of the right wing accounts here come off as pretty overblown for gimmick purposes but karl here has this real like intense bitterness and vindictiveness about him. Think he must be a very angry guy. <cite>Malfunction posted [p:922563056] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>A lot of the right wing accounts here come off as pretty overblown for gimmick purposes but karl here has this real like intense bitterness and vindictiveness about him. Think he must be a very angry guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 05/30/19 11:19:54 AM #204:	I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice. If a person wants to make that decision and can live with and accept that on their conscious that's on them. Not my business. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:922563105] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice. If a person wants to make that decision and can live with and accept that on their conscious that's on them. Not my business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 05/30/19 11:21:22 AM #205:	karlpilkington4 posted... It's a compromise Pretty shitty compromise that barely allows a woman enough time to find out she's pregnant, let alone actually get an abortion. I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb. 24th week and after is special circumstances only (fetus dies in the womb, serious risk to the mother, etc.) --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist <cite>GATTJT posted [p:922563155] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a compromise</quote> Pretty shitty compromise that barely allows a woman enough time to find out she's pregnant, let alone actually get an abortion. I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb. 24th week and after is special circumstances only (fetus dies in the womb, serious risk to the mother, etc.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 11:23:23 AM #206:	GATTJT posted... karlpilkington4 posted... It's a compromise Pretty shitty compromise that barely allows a woman enough time to find out she's pregnant, let alone actually get an abortion. I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb. 24th week and after is special circumstances only (fetus dies in the womb, serious risk to the mother, etc.) We are talking about a human life that will be killed. It's not a shitty compromise at all. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922563228] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a compromise</quote> Pretty shitty compromise that barely allows a woman enough time to find out she's pregnant, let alone actually get an abortion. I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb. 24th week and after is special circumstances only (fetus dies in the womb, serious risk to the mother, etc.)</quote> We are talking about a human life that will be killed. It's not a shitty compromise at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 11:24:37 AM #207:	chrono625 posted... I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice. If a person wants to make that decision and can live with and accept that on their conscious that's on them. Not my business. I'm pro-choice too. 4 choices. Adoption, abstinence, motherhood, protection. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922563277] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice. If a person wants to make that decision and can live with and accept that on their conscious that's on them. Not my business.</quote> I'm pro-choice too. 4 choices. Adoption, abstinence, motherhood, protection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/30/19 11:25:39 AM #208:	Still ignoring my offer of allowing abortion up to 164250 hours since conception. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:922563308] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>Still ignoring my offer of allowing abortion up to 164250 hours since conception.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 05/30/19 11:27:47 AM #209:	karlpilkington4 posted... chrono625 posted... I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice. If a person wants to make that decision and can live with and accept that on their conscious that's on them. Not my business. I'm pro-choice too. 4 choices. Adoption, abstinence, motherhood, protection. Dawwww. I bet youd get along great with the dudes who had their billboards here taken down for for violating truth in advertisement laws. --- "I got a rolla truc, look" ~ sleaford mods "The most tender place in my heart is for strangers." ~ neko case <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:922563377] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not pro abortion. I'm pro choice. If a person wants to make that decision and can live with and accept that on their conscious that's on them. Not my business.</quote> I'm pro-choice too. 4 choices. Adoption, abstinence, motherhood, protection.</quote> Dawwww. I bet youd get along great with the dudes who had their billboards here taken down for for violating truth in advertisement laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 05/30/19 11:28:29 AM #210:	karlpilkington4 posted... We are talking about a human life that will be killed. Nah, dude. It's a pregnancy that's being terminated. Fetus hasn't been born or even developed enough to survive outside of the womb, there's no life to kill yet. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist <cite>GATTJT posted [p:922563417] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>We are talking about a human life that will be killed.</quote> Nah, dude. It's a pregnancy that's being terminated. Fetus hasn't been born or even developed enough to survive outside of the womb, there's no life to kill yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 11:33:58 AM #211:	GATTJT posted... karlpilkington4 posted... We are talking about a human life that will be killed. Nah, dude. It's a pregnancy that's being terminated. Fetus hasn't been born or even developed enough to survive outside of the womb, there's no life to kill yet. What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow? --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922563615] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>We are talking about a human life that will be killed.</quote> Nah, dude. It's a pregnancy that's being terminated. Fetus hasn't been born or even developed enough to survive outside of the womb, there's no life to kill yet.</quote> What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Juhanor 05/30/19 11:37:03 AM #212:	I don't care one way or the other. <cite>Juhanor posted [p:922563716] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>I don't care one way or the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 05/30/19 11:44:50 AM #213:	karlpilkington4 posted... What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow? Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist <cite>GATTJT posted [p:922563973] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow?</quote> Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 11:48:32 AM #214:	karlpilkington4 posted... CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... I would be willingly to go to 6 weeks after conception, but really that's pushing it. You say four weeks, I say nine months, you counter with six weeks. Okay, my new offer is now eight and a half months. My reasoning for 6 weeks was to help women know that they are actually pregnant within a realistic time period, while the fetus is still developing basic brain function. I again, don't believe we should have abortions to begin with, I'm simply compromising because that is how we advance as a species. Your "counter" for 8 months isn't something I'd support at all. My reasoning for 8 months is that the "hypothetical me" that is arguing here says that there is no medical or scientific basis for suggesting that the developing fetus is in fact "alive". Your "counter" for 6 weeks isn't something the "hypothetical me" would support at all. "Hypothetical me" would be willing to compromise on viability, around the end of the second trimester: six months. That would bring hypothetical me in line with actual me, and there's a medical and scientific basis for that. My point of engaging in this hypothetical aspect was to establish that "the compromise" has already been reached, and was reached 46 years ago. If you want to renegotiate the compromise, you start from that point and work your way back. Further, you'll be asked to provide sound medical and scientific proof that the embryo is alive. Not a personal belief. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922564108] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>I would be willingly to go to 6 weeks after conception, but really that's pushing it.</quote> You say four weeks, I say nine months, you counter with six weeks. Okay, my new offer is now eight and a half months.</quote> My reasoning for 6 weeks was to help women know that they are actually pregnant within a realistic time period, while the fetus is still developing basic brain function. I again, don't believe we should have abortions to begin with, I'm simply compromising because that is how we advance as a species. Your "counter" for 8 months isn't something I'd support at all.</quote> My reasoning for 8 months is that the "hypothetical me" that is arguing here says that there is no medical or scientific basis for suggesting that the developing fetus is in fact "alive". Your "counter" for 6 weeks isn't something the "hypothetical me" would support at all. "Hypothetical me" would be willing to compromise on viability, around the end of the second trimester: six months. That would bring hypothetical me in line with actual me, and there's a medical and scientific basis for that. My point of engaging in this hypothetical aspect was to establish that "the compromise" has already been reached, and was reached 46 years ago. If you want to renegotiate the compromise, you start from that point and work your way back. Further, you'll be asked to provide sound medical and scientific proof that the embryo is alive. Not a personal belief.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/30/19 11:48:37 AM #215:	I think viruses are non-living that consume. Technically grow too. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:922564109] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>I think viruses are non-living that consume. Technically grow too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 11:48:53 AM #216:	GATTJT posted... karlpilkington4 posted... What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow? Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable. Is 8 weeks reasonable? 10? What is "reasonable"? --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922564123] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow?</quote> Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable.</quote> Is 8 weeks reasonable? 10? What is "reasonable"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 11:52:24 AM #217:	Webmaster4531 posted... I think viruses are non-living that consume. Technically grow too. Viruses don't grow, they replicate. I don't think comparing a virus to a fetus is going to go anywhere or be a practical conversation even if it did grow. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922564266] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>I think viruses are non-living that consume. Technically grow too.</quote> Viruses don't grow, they replicate. I don't think comparing a virus to a fetus is going to go anywhere or be a practical conversation even if it did grow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 05/30/19 11:52:49 AM #218:	karlpilkington4 posted... GATTJT posted... karlpilkington4 posted... What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow? Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable. Is 8 weeks reasonable? 10? What is "reasonable"? GATTJT posted... I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb. But I'm done with you, because we both think we're right so neither's mind will be changed. Good day. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist <cite>GATTJT posted [p:922564285] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow?</quote> Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable.</quote> Is 8 weeks reasonable? 10? What is "reasonable"?</quote> <cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote>I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb.</quote> But I'm done with you, because we both think we're right so neither's mind will be changed. Good day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/30/19 11:53:49 AM #219:	karlpilkington4 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... I think viruses are non-living that consume. Technically grow too. Viruses don't grow, they replicate. I don't think comparing a virus to a fetus is going to go anywhere or be a practical conversation even if it did grow. That how everything grows by replicating. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:922564334] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>I think viruses are non-living that consume. Technically grow too.</quote> Viruses don't grow, they replicate. I don't think comparing a virus to a fetus is going to go anywhere or be a practical conversation even if it did grow.</quote> That how everything grows by replicating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 11:56:42 AM #220:	GATTJT posted... karlpilkington4 posted... GATTJT posted... karlpilkington4 posted... What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow? Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable. Is 8 weeks reasonable? 10? What is "reasonable"? GATTJT posted... I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb. But I'm done with you, because we both think we're right so neither's mind will be changed. Good day. I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted. In all honesty, I appreciate your ability to have an actual conversation without the need to name call or be aggressive. Thanks! --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922564439] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>What "non life" is able to consume nutrients and grow?</quote> Okay, I'll concede. It's a life, fine. But women should still have the right to abort within a reasonable time frame. Six weeks is not reasonable.</quote> Is 8 weeks reasonable? 10? What is "reasonable"?</quote> <cite>GATTJT posted...</cite> <quote>I'm of the opinion that abortions should be legal for any reason before the 24th week of pregnancy, when the fetus is incredibly unlikely to survive outside of the womb.</quote> But I'm done with you, because we both think we're right so neither's mind will be changed. Good day.</quote> I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted. In all honesty, I appreciate your ability to have an actual conversation without the need to name call or be aggressive. Thanks!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 11:58:49 AM #221:	karlpilkington4 posted... I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted. It will not survive if the mother dies. It is entirely reliant on the mother to survive. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922564529] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted.</quote> It will not survive if the mother dies. It is entirely reliant on the mother to survive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 12:00:24 PM #222:	CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... I would be willingly to go to 6 weeks after conception, but really that's pushing it. You say four weeks, I say nine months, you counter with six weeks. Okay, my new offer is now eight and a half months. My reasoning for 6 weeks was to help women know that they are actually pregnant within a realistic time period, while the fetus is still developing basic brain function. I again, don't believe we should have abortions to begin with, I'm simply compromising because that is how we advance as a species. Your "counter" for 8 months isn't something I'd support at all. My reasoning for 8 months is that the "hypothetical me" that is arguing here says that there is no medical or scientific basis for suggesting that the developing fetus is in fact "alive". I'm not ignoring the rest of your post, I simply want to focus on this one part. What do you classify as "alive", and why would it be different than the definition of the word Definition of alive. 1 : having life : not dead or inanimate. 2a : still in existence, force, or operation : active kept hope alive. The fetus definitely exists. It is not dead or inanimate. This goes back to my other question. What nonliving thing can grow, develop and takes in nutrients? --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922564591] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>I would be willingly to go to 6 weeks after conception, but really that's pushing it.</quote> You say four weeks, I say nine months, you counter with six weeks. Okay, my new offer is now eight and a half months.</quote> My reasoning for 6 weeks was to help women know that they are actually pregnant within a realistic time period, while the fetus is still developing basic brain function. I again, don't believe we should have abortions to begin with, I'm simply compromising because that is how we advance as a species. Your "counter" for 8 months isn't something I'd support at all.</quote> My reasoning for 8 months is that the "hypothetical me" that is arguing here says that there is no medical or scientific basis for suggesting that the developing fetus is in fact "alive". </quote> I'm not ignoring the rest of your post, I simply want to focus on this one part. What do you classify as "alive", and why would it be different than the definition of the word Definition of alive. 1 : having life : not dead or inanimate. 2a : still in existence, force, or operation : active kept hope alive. The fetus definitely exists. It is not dead or inanimate. This goes back to my other question. What nonliving thing can grow, develop and takes in nutrients?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 12:01:38 PM #223:	CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted. It will not survive if the mother dies. It is entirely reliant on the mother to survive. That doesn't stop my statement from being false. it will survive, if its not aborted. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922564634] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted.</quote> It will not survive if the mother dies. It is entirely reliant on the mother to survive.</quote> That doesn't stop my statement from being false. it will survive, if its not aborted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 12:07:05 PM #224:	karlpilkington4 posted... What nonliving thing can grow, develop and takes in nutrients? Hypothetical me says "anything in gestation is nonliving". karlpilkington4 posted... That doesn't stop my statement from being false. Gonna assume you meant "from being true", and the response to that is that it's still tied to your belief system, which I may not agree with. I don't agree that "survivability" doesn't mean much. It's key to an organism living on its own. We really have to keep hammering home which of your statements are based on your personal beliefs and which are medical and scientific facts. I'll restate that your biggest obstacle in this argument is that "when life begins" has not been defined, yet you post assuming it has, or you post with your own beliefs and take that to be fact. I suggest not doing either. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922564835] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>What nonliving thing can grow, develop and takes in nutrients?</quote> Hypothetical me says "anything in gestation is nonliving". <cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>That doesn't stop my statement from being false. </quote> Gonna assume you meant "from being true", and the response to that is that it's still tied to your belief system, which I may not agree with. I don't agree that "survivability" doesn't mean much. It's key to an organism living on its own. We really have to keep hammering home which of your statements are based on your personal beliefs and which are medical and scientific facts. I'll restate that your biggest obstacle in this argument is that "when life begins" has not been defined, yet you post assuming it has, or you post with your own beliefs and take that to be fact. I suggest not doing either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 12:14:38 PM #225:	CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... What nonliving thing can grow, develop and takes in nutrients? Hypothetical me says "anything in gestation is nonliving". karlpilkington4 posted... That doesn't stop my statement from being false. Gonna assume you meant "from being true", and the response to that is that it's still tied to your belief system, which I may not agree with. I don't agree that "survivability" doesn't mean much. It's key to an organism living on its own. We really have to keep hammering home which of your statements are based on your personal beliefs and which are medical and scientific facts. I'll restate that your biggest obstacle in this argument is that "when life begins" has not been defined, yet you post assuming it has, or you post with your own beliefs and take that to be fact. I suggest not doing either. lol, why do you keep saying "hypothetical me"? I think we are just gonna hit a roadblock. I don't believe it matters when life begins, because the fetus will turn into a human being in 9 months. I also believe that the fetus is alive, and it's simply a compromise to allow things like Plan B, and abortion after a few weeks. You don't agree that survivability means much, and I do. I don't know where we go from here. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922565109] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>What nonliving thing can grow, develop and takes in nutrients?</quote> Hypothetical me says "anything in gestation is nonliving". <cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>That doesn't stop my statement from being false. </quote> Gonna assume you meant "from being true", and the response to that is that it's still tied to your belief system, which I may not agree with. I don't agree that "survivability" doesn't mean much. It's key to an organism living on its own. We really have to keep hammering home which of your statements are based on your personal beliefs and which are medical and scientific facts. I'll restate that your biggest obstacle in this argument is that "when life begins" has not been defined, yet you post assuming it has, or you post with your own beliefs and take that to be fact. I suggest not doing either.</quote> lol, why do you keep saying "hypothetical me"? I think we are just gonna hit a roadblock. I don't believe it matters when life begins, because the fetus will turn into a human being in 9 months. I also believe that the fetus is alive, and it's simply a compromise to allow things like Plan B, and abortion after a few weeks. You don't agree that survivability means much, and I do. I don't know where we go from here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 12:27:40 PM #226:	karlpilkington4 posted... lol, why do you keep saying "hypothetical me"? Because I don't actually personally believe that abortion should take place at nine months. I used that as a starting point for our ill-fated attempt at a compromise, but it seems you didn't actually want to compromise. This does seem a roadblock. Unfortunately for you, the roadblock means we go back to the default, which is where we are now: abortion being legal up to viability. It's not about me failing to convince you that abortion should be allowed, because it already is allowed. It's you who have failed to convince me that things should change: that abortion should be restricted to the degree you want. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922565583] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>lol, why do you keep saying "hypothetical me"? </quote> Because I don't actually personally believe that abortion should take place at nine months. I used that as a starting point for our ill-fated attempt at a compromise, but it seems you didn't actually want to compromise. This does seem a roadblock. Unfortunately for you, the roadblock means we go back to the default, which is where we are now: abortion being legal up to viability. It's not about me failing to convince you that abortion should be allowed, because it already is allowed. It's you who have failed to convince me that things should change: that abortion should be restricted to the degree you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 12:31:38 PM #227:	CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... lol, why do you keep saying "hypothetical me"? Because I don't actually personally believe that abortion should take place at nine months. I used that as a starting point for our ill-fated attempt at a compromise, but it seems you didn't actually want to compromise. This does seem a roadblock. Unfortunately for you, the roadblock means we go back to the default, which is where we are now: abortion being legal up to viability. It's not about me failing to convince you that abortion should be allowed, because it already is allowed. It's you who have failed to convince me that things should change: that abortion should be restricted to the degree you want. States like Alabama are pushing back. So I wouldn't be so sure. This is a silly internet message board. You convincing me, or vice versa is pretty irrelevant to the overall world. It's just a way to share ideas and think critically. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922565740] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>lol, why do you keep saying "hypothetical me"? </quote> Because I don't actually personally believe that abortion should take place at nine months. I used that as a starting point for our ill-fated attempt at a compromise, but it seems you didn't actually want to compromise. This does seem a roadblock. Unfortunately for you, the roadblock means we go back to the default, which is where we are now: abortion being legal up to viability. It's not about me failing to convince you that abortion should be allowed, because it already is allowed. It's you who have failed to convince me that things should change: that abortion should be restricted to the degree you want.</quote> States like Alabama are pushing back. So I wouldn't be so sure. This is a silly internet message board. You convincing me, or vice versa is pretty irrelevant to the overall world. It's just a way to share ideas and think critically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 12:38:21 PM #228:	karlpilkington4 posted... States like Alabama are pushing back. So I wouldn't be so sure. And they will be contested in the Supreme Court, like all state laws that violate federal law. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922566022] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>States like Alabama are pushing back. So I wouldn't be so sure. </quote> And they will be contested in the Supreme Court, like all state laws that violate federal law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 05/30/19 1:13:21 PM #229:	karlpilkington4 posted... CyricZ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted. It will not survive if the mother dies. It is entirely reliant on the mother to survive. That doesn't stop my statement from being false. it will* survive, if its not aborted.* might --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:922567377] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think survivability outside the womb, really means much in this discussion, because it will survive, if its not aborted.</quote> It will not survive if the mother dies. It is entirely reliant on the mother to survive.</quote> That doesn't stop my statement from being false. it will survive, if its not aborted.</quote> might</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/30/19 1:40:07 PM #230:	The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922568528] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 1:40:48 PM #231:	Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922568568] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/30/19 1:41:30 PM #232:	SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:922568597] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/30/19 1:42:24 PM #233:	SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? Special legal privilege. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922568637] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> Special legal privilege.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 1:42:37 PM #234:	Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. Which is a privilege you dont deserve --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922568647] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> Which is a privilege you dont deserve</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/30/19 1:43:38 PM #235:	SpaghettiCookie posted... Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. Which is a privilege you dont deserve What's a privilege? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:922568688] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> Which is a privilege you dont deserve</quote> What's a privilege?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 1:45:33 PM #236:	Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing. --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922568762] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/30/19 1:48:13 PM #237:	If you're hung up on the word privilege, then I'll rephrase. The fetus shouldn't be given an explicit right that no other human has. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922568876] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>If you're hung up on the word privilege, then I'll rephrase. The fetus shouldn't be given an explicit right that no other human has.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 1:48:48 PM #238:	Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922568902] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/30/19 1:48:59 PM #239:	SpaghettiCookie posted... Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing. I meant what you were referring to in my post. Citizenship isn't a privilege in the United States. It's a right for people born. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:922568913] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing.</quote> I meant what you were referring to in my post. Citizenship isn't a privilege in the United States. It's a right for people born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 1:49:35 PM #240:	karlpilkington4 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up. This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922568952] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up.</quote> This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/30/19 1:55:35 PM #241:	karlpilkington4 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up. But all laws are literally made up, so why should fetuses be given rights before birth? Because some people feel like it? Not that I personally find citizenship or personhood to matter when it comes to abortion. Also, abortion is one of the few issue where compromise is basically impossible without some sides taking massive losses or people being logically and morally inconsistent. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922569230] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up.</quote> But all laws are literally made up, so why should fetuses be given rights before birth? Because some people feel like it? Not that I personally find citizenship or personhood to matter when it comes to abortion. Also, abortion is one of the few issue where compromise is basically impossible without some sides taking massive losses or people being logically and morally inconsistent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 1:56:35 PM #242:	SpaghettiCookie posted... karlpilkington4 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up. This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them Of course, its hard, but it doesn't make it less possible. A fetus should have protections. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922569271] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up.</quote> This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them</quote> Of course, its hard, but it doesn't make it less possible. A fetus should have protections.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 1:58:54 PM #243:	SpaghettiCookie posted... Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing. So wait, what's your position on abortion? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922569376] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing.</quote> So wait, what's your position on abortion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/30/19 1:59:32 PM #244:	karlpilkington4 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... karlpilkington4 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up. This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them Of course, its hard, but it doesn't make it less possible. A fetus should have protections. Why? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922569403] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up.</quote> This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them</quote> Of course, its hard, but it doesn't make it less possible. A fetus should have protections.</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/30/19 2:00:29 PM #245:	hockeybub89 posted... karlpilkington4 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... karlpilkington4 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege. Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard? We have birthright citizenship. And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up. This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them Of course, its hard, but it doesn't make it less possible. A fetus should have protections. Why? Because its going to turn into a human being. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922569441] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fetus doesn't deserve special privilege.</quote> Neither do you but you get them. See why its hard?</quote> We have birthright citizenship.</quote> And the fetus should have fetus right citizenship. Pretty simple to implement, seeing as this whole legal thing is literally made up.</quote> This made me laugh honestly, but realistically implanting laws is very difficult because theres nothing that makes people have to follow them</quote> Of course, its hard, but it doesn't make it less possible. A fetus should have protections.</quote> Why?</quote> Because its going to turn into a human being.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 2:27:27 PM #246:	CyricZ posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing. So wait, what's your position on abortion? Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion And personally I wouldnt do t in rape cases Which I know from experience but it was a scare anyway, my body was so scared that it happened that I actually got morning sickness and thought I was pregnant and realized Id have to tell my parents and it was pretty scary, still wish I did tell them how but he got arrested anyway --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922570665] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Special advantage you have over others ^^ like being born white, Male, American, able bodied, straight, into money, even attractive people have some (but thats not always birth, many of us work out for it) Those things that give you special privileges that not everyone has, and thrusts you into greater opportunities. Nothing you did made you earn that, but you reap the benefits of it; sometimes without even noticing.</quote> So wait, what's your position on abortion?</quote> Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion And personally I wouldnt do t in rape cases Which I know from experience but it was a scare anyway, my body was so scared that it happened that I actually got morning sickness and thought I was pregnant and realized Id have to tell my parents and it was pretty scary, still wish I did tell them how but he got arrested anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/30/19 2:31:50 PM #247:	karlpilkington4 posted... Because its going to turn into a human being. But I thought it was always human? Also, so what? No human being ever has a right to your body, no matter how developed or innocent they are. This goes back to something I said in another topic. Murder isn't illegal because "it's wrong". It's illegal because of how it affects society. We'd have literally no laws if your weak arguments were presented. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922570854] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote> Because its going to turn into a human being.</quote> But I thought it was always human? Also, so what? No human being ever has a right to your body, no matter how developed or innocent they are. This goes back to something I said in another topic. Murder isn't illegal because "it's wrong". It's illegal because of how it affects society. We'd have literally no laws if your weak arguments were presented.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/30/19 2:35:24 PM #248:	SpaghettiCookie posted... Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion Well, that is your opinion. I'm pro-choice, personally. I think attempts to regulate sexuality are a dead end. They don't work, and they've never worked. I'm absolutely for the need for fewer abortions, which can be accomplished through easier access to education, healthcare, and contraceptive, but none of these are 100% foolproof. Like what do you tell someone who used birth control and ended up in the unlucky percentage? Sucks to be you? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:922571003] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion </quote> Well, that is your opinion. I'm pro-choice, personally. I think attempts to regulate sexuality are a dead end. They don't work, and they've never worked. I'm absolutely for the need for fewer abortions, which can be accomplished through easier access to education, healthcare, and contraceptive, but none of these are 100% foolproof. Like what do you tell someone who used birth control and ended up in the unlucky percentage? Sucks to be you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 2:41:13 PM #249:	CyricZ posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion Well, that is your opinion. I'm pro-choice, personally. I think attempts to regulate sexuality are a dead end. They don't work, and they've never worked. I'm absolutely for the need for fewer abortions, which can be accomplished through easier access to education, healthcare, and contraceptive, but none of these are 100% foolproof. Like what do you tell someone who used birth control and ended up in the unlucky percentage? Sucks to be you? These are the choices we make, there are plenty of programs who wish to make this experience as pleasant as possible for you and many people come out of pregnancy feeling more fulfilled. I am really sorry the timing sucks but we will get through it and theres gonna be so much more happiness after!! People who have babies tend to love them more than any other relationship possible anyway --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922571249] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion </quote> Well, that is your opinion. I'm pro-choice, personally. I think attempts to regulate sexuality are a dead end. They don't work, and they've never worked. I'm absolutely for the need for fewer abortions, which can be accomplished through easier access to education, healthcare, and contraceptive, but none of these are 100% foolproof. Like what do you tell someone who used birth control and ended up in the unlucky percentage? Sucks to be you?</quote> These are the choices we make, there are plenty of programs who wish to make this experience as pleasant as possible for you and many people come out of pregnancy feeling more fulfilled. I am really sorry the timing sucks but we will get through it and theres gonna be so much more happiness after!! People who have babies tend to love them more than any other relationship possible anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/30/19 2:42:52 PM #250:	SpaghettiCookie posted... CyricZ posted... SpaghettiCookie posted... Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion Well, that is your opinion. I'm pro-choice, personally. I think attempts to regulate sexuality are a dead end. They don't work, and they've never worked. I'm absolutely for the need for fewer abortions, which can be accomplished through easier access to education, healthcare, and contraceptive, but none of these are 100% foolproof. Like what do you tell someone who used birth control and ended up in the unlucky percentage? Sucks to be you? These are the choices we make, there are plenty of programs who wish to make this experience as pleasant as possible for you and many people come out of pregnancy feeling more fulfilled. I am really sorry the timing sucks but we will get through it and theres gonna be so much more happiness after!! People who have babies tend to love them more than any other relationship possible anyway Oh you sweet summer child --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922571329] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpaghettiCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Only should be done if it threatens life or in rape cases, in my opinion </quote> Well, that is your opinion. I'm pro-choice, personally. I think attempts to regulate sexuality are a dead end. They don't work, and they've never worked. I'm absolutely for the need for fewer abortions, which can be accomplished through easier access to education, healthcare, and contraceptive, but none of these are 100% foolproof. Like what do you tell someone who used birth control and ended up in the unlucky percentage? Sucks to be you?</quote> These are the choices we make, there are plenty of programs who wish to make this experience as pleasant as possible for you and many people come out of pregnancy feeling more fulfilled. I am really sorry the timing sucks but we will get through it and theres gonna be so much more happiness after!! People who have babies tend to love them more than any other relationship possible anyway</quote> Oh you sweet summer child</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaghettiCookie 05/30/19 2:43:15 PM #251:	Im 18 --- I'm excited to be part of a community! <cite>SpaghettiCookie posted [p:922571346] in Why are yo... [t:77746116]...</cite> <quote>Im 18</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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