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Zerocide 05/23/19 8:39:14 PM #1:	https://kotaku.com/u-s-senator-says-his-anti-loot-box-bill-has-the-video-1834905639 Is Republican senator Josh Hawley an advocate for video game players or an ambitious politician with a savvy staff who know a win-win argument when they see one? The freshman senator from Missouri, who plans to soon introduce a bill that will ban loot boxes and pay-to-win microtransactions, spoke to Kotaku yesterday about his plans. If this loot box bill passes as proposed, it will make it a fineable offense for publishers to put loot boxes in games that target children or are played by children. It will also ban pay-to-win mechanics in those games. In a short phone interview on Monday, I asked Hawley some questions about whether this loot box bill can pass, how it came about, and whether its all just a publicity stunt. You can read the interview here, lightly edited for clarity: Jason Schreier: First of all, Im curious: Do you have a personal stake in this issue? Is this something youve encountered in video games youve played? Senator Josh Hawley: I have to be honest with you, Jason, I am not myself a gamer, so it does not stem from my personal experience. It stems from being a parent of two little boys and talking to lots of parents, and also hearing, by the way, from lots of gamers who are concerned about what the C-suite is doing here, basically adding casinos to childrens games. Schreier: Do your kids play games with loot boxes in them? Hawley: They do not yet. Theyre six and four. So they are not playing any games at the moment. But Ive heard from lots of parents who say that their kids, the stories about all of a sudden these charges, What are these weird charges on my card? I thought I already paid for the game, how is it Im being asked to pay more? Did I authorize this, how did the kid buy it? Weve heard from gamers, too, talk about this ruining the integrity of the game by essentially changing the way the game works. Schreier: You mention parents finding charges from their kids suddenly showing up on their credit card bills. That can happen a lot with microtransactions that arent loot boxes. Why focus specifically on loot boxes? Hawley: Both loot boxes and pay to win. We think the reason why is that its foremost addiction development. Its an attempt for kids to, as I said before, adding casinos to kids games in an attempt to get them hooked, in an attempt to exploit them. We dont allow actual casinos to exploit children in this way. Why should we allow the gaming industry to do so? These C-suite executives who are driving this trend. Schreier: Why focus specifically on children? Adults cant also be exploited by these casinos? Hawley: Adults can for sure be exploited. I think that childrenthere are a couple of things as we know in a variety of contexts, whether its casinos proper or public health issues, we often look at kids and say theyre uniquely vulnerable. They dont necessarily know the nature of these microtransactions, being on the lookout for them in the way that an adult might. And while I realize that these microtransactions, these particular kinds, compromise the integrity of the game no matter who is subject to them, theres something I think thats pretty unique to kids and the addiction angle I think is pretty unique to kids as well. So this is an area too where I think we ought to be able to come together on a bipartisan basis and say, Look, when youre directing this sort of pro-addiction activity, pro-addiction behavior toward children, or practices toward children, we oughta be able to say no to that. --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone Nioh is better than Dark Souls/Sekiro <cite>Zerocide posted [p:922291154] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>https://kotaku.com/u-s-senator-says-his-anti-loot-box-bill-has-the-video-1834905639 <quote>Is Republican senator Josh Hawley an advocate for video game players or an ambitious politician with a savvy staff who know a win-win argument when they see one? The freshman senator from Missouri, who plans to soon introduce a bill that will ban loot boxes and pay-to-win microtransactions, spoke to Kotaku yesterday about his plans. If this loot box bill passes as proposed, it will make it a fineable offense for publishers to put loot boxes in games that target children or are played by children. It will also ban pay-to-win mechanics in those games. In a short phone interview on Monday, I asked Hawley some questions about whether this loot box bill can pass, how it came about, and whether its all just a publicity stunt. You can read the interview here, lightly edited for clarity: Jason Schreier: First of all, Im curious: Do you have a personal stake in this issue? Is this something youve encountered in video games youve played? Senator Josh Hawley: I have to be honest with you, Jason, I am not myself a gamer, so it does not stem from my personal experience. It stems from being a parent of two little boys and talking to lots of parents, and also hearing, by the way, from lots of gamers who are concerned about what the C-suite is doing here, basically adding casinos to childrens games. Schreier: Do your kids play games with loot boxes in them? Hawley: They do not yet. Theyre six and four. So they are not playing any games at the moment. But Ive heard from lots of parents who say that their kids, the stories about all of a sudden these charges, What are these weird charges on my card? I thought I already paid for the game, how is it Im being asked to pay more? Did I authorize this, how did the kid buy it? Weve heard from gamers, too, talk about this ruining the integrity of the game by essentially changing the way the game works. Schreier: You mention parents finding charges from their kids suddenly showing up on their credit card bills. That can happen a lot with microtransactions that arent loot boxes. Why focus specifically on loot boxes? Hawley: Both loot boxes and pay to win. We think the reason why is that its foremost addiction development. Its an attempt for kids to, as I said before, adding casinos to kids games in an attempt to get them hooked, in an attempt to exploit them. We dont allow actual casinos to exploit children in this way. Why should we allow the gaming industry to do so? These C-suite executives who are driving this trend. Schreier: Why focus specifically on children? Adults cant also be exploited by these casinos? Hawley: Adults can for sure be exploited. I think that childrenthere are a couple of things as we know in a variety of contexts, whether its casinos proper or public health issues, we often look at kids and say theyre uniquely vulnerable. They dont necessarily know the nature of these microtransactions, being on the lookout for them in the way that an adult might. And while I realize that these microtransactions, these particular kinds, compromise the integrity of the game no matter who is subject to them, theres something I think thats pretty unique to kids and the addiction angle I think is pretty unique to kids as well. So this is an area too where I think we ought to be able to come together on a bipartisan basis and say, Look, when youre directing this sort of pro-addiction activity, pro-addiction behavior toward children, or practices toward children, we oughta be able to say no to that.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zerocide 05/23/19 8:40:08 PM #2:	Schreier: Have you been in conversations with the ESA, the video games lobbyist group, or any other video game companies about how this might impact them? Hawley: Yes, yes we have. Schreier: Can you describe the nature of those conversations? Senior policy advisor Jacob Reses: This is Jacob here. I think its fair to say the industry has concerns about this... Weve been trying to be very transparent with them, but there may be some difference of opinion. Hawley: Jacobs being very diplomatic. Schreier: Yes, any elaboration you can make here? I ask because I pay a lot of attention to these financial calls that these companies have, and EA for example is very reliant on the loot box income that comes in from FIFA games. A lot of these companies are very reliant on this stuff. Hawley: And FIFA would indeed be covered by this legislation, to be clear. Theyve certainly expressed their, shall we say, concern over this legislation. But I think thats probably a good indication that were getting somewhere. Schreier: Do you think youre getting somewhere? Ive seen cynicism from financial analysts, from people in the games sphere, skepticism that this will actually pass. Certainly some concerns that this might just be a publicity stunt. Hawley: I think if they thought it were a publicity stunt they wouldnt be so concerned. I think the reaction of the corporate lobbyists sort of strongly suggests that theyre very worried about this. I think it probably also suggests that they know this practice is not going to stand up to public scrutiny. Once parents really understand whats going on here, and once the general public understands how these games are being manipulated, how their integrity is being compromised, how basically these companies have found a way to make whole gobs of money without really being upfront about it, and of course the addictive nature of it, I think theyre pretty worried that its going to result in public backlash, and it should. Schreier: Public backlash is one thing, but I cant imagine that many of your colleagues in Congress know enough or care about video games. Can this really get traction among those folks? Hawley: I think everybody though cares about the health and safety of kids. And they also should care about this broader problem of what Ive started calling the addiction economy, which this is a great example. We see this in other spheres by the waywe see it in social media, were seeing it here in the gaming industry, where youve got these corporations finding new ways to try to hook folks, extract personal information from them, in the case of social media. Extract money of them in the case of games. Without regard to what that does to either in the case of gaming the game itself, and then to peoples general health and wellbeing. So I think theres a lot of concern about that and we hope to drive a conversation in this space. --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone Nioh is better than Dark Souls/Sekiro <cite>Zerocide posted [p:922291189] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><quote>Schreier: Have you been in conversations with the ESA, the video games lobbyist group, or any other video game companies about how this might impact them? Hawley: Yes, yes we have. Schreier: Can you describe the nature of those conversations? Senior policy advisor Jacob Reses: This is Jacob here. I think its fair to say the industry has concerns about this... Weve been trying to be very transparent with them, but there may be some difference of opinion. Hawley: Jacobs being very diplomatic. Schreier: Yes, any elaboration you can make here? I ask because I pay a lot of attention to these financial calls that these companies have, and EA for example is very reliant on the loot box income that comes in from FIFA games. A lot of these companies are very reliant on this stuff. Hawley: And FIFA would indeed be covered by this legislation, to be clear. Theyve certainly expressed their, shall we say, concern over this legislation. But I think thats probably a good indication that were getting somewhere. Schreier: Do you think youre getting somewhere? Ive seen cynicism from financial analysts, from people in the games sphere, skepticism that this will actually pass. Certainly some concerns that this might just be a publicity stunt. Hawley: I think if they thought it were a publicity stunt they wouldnt be so concerned. I think the reaction of the corporate lobbyists sort of strongly suggests that theyre very worried about this. I think it probably also suggests that they know this practice is not going to stand up to public scrutiny. Once parents really understand whats going on here, and once the general public understands how these games are being manipulated, how their integrity is being compromised, how basically these companies have found a way to make whole gobs of money without really being upfront about it, and of course the addictive nature of it, I think theyre pretty worried that its going to result in public backlash, and it should. Schreier: Public backlash is one thing, but I cant imagine that many of your colleagues in Congress know enough or care about video games. Can this really get traction among those folks? Hawley: I think everybody though cares about the health and safety of kids. And they also should care about this broader problem of what Ive started calling the addiction economy, which this is a great example. We see this in other spheres by the waywe see it in social media, were seeing it here in the gaming industry, where youve got these corporations finding new ways to try to hook folks, extract personal information from them, in the case of social media. Extract money of them in the case of games. Without regard to what that does to either in the case of gaming the game itself, and then to peoples general health and wellbeing. So I think theres a lot of concern about that and we hope to drive a conversation in this space.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zerocide 05/23/19 8:40:17 PM #3:	Schreier: Previous attempts to regulate the video game industry, most infamously in 2010 or 2011 with a Supreme Court case about violent video games have all failed. I believe a state senator in Hawaii was looking to introduce loot box legislation that also failed. So I guess youll have to count me as skeptical that this has much of a chance of getting traction in Congress. Hawley: Well see. Certainly the reception we have gotten from parents, from gamers has been absolutely tremendous. And we intend to push forward. I think this is something that people should be aware of, I think its an issue that more and more people are going to care about as they learn about it, and itll be the start of a broader conversation. Schreier: Republican philosophy is generally all about personal accountability. Microtransactionsnobodys forced to pay for them or buy loot boxes. Why not let the free market decide their fate? Hawley: Well, similarly, as with casinos, we dont allow children to go into casinos. We very carefully control, regulate what our children are exposed to. This is well within that model. This is something every parent should care about, and I actually dont think that exertingwhen people understand that whats essentially happening here is online gambling being inserted into these games, I think a concern about Schreier: But thats not just what youre talking about here. Your bill also includes pay-to-win games which are not gambling, theyre paying for perks in a game. Hawley: Similar, though. Once again its a microtransaction thats not necessarily expected, especially from a child up front. And it is meant to induce obviously further playing, but also further spending of money. So it works in much the same way I think. The same arguments would apply. Schreier: What would you say to a video game company that says, Hey, without these things, youre going to cause us to crash, cause this entire industry to fold? Hawley: These are very resourceful people, and Im sure they can design games that dont rely on gambling directed at children in the center of the game. PR guy Mike Berg: Hey Jason, weve got time for one more question. Schreier: Sure. Something Im actually personally curious about, and this is not related, but I know that you count Peter Thiel among your [contributors]. Have you guys ever talked about what it was like to try to obliterate my company? Hawley: (laughs) We have not. So I dont have any personal information there. --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone Nioh is better than Dark Souls/Sekiro <cite>Zerocide posted [p:922291198] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><quote>Schreier: Previous attempts to regulate the video game industry, most infamously in 2010 or 2011 with a Supreme Court case about violent video games have all failed. I believe a state senator in Hawaii was looking to introduce loot box legislation that also failed. So I guess youll have to count me as skeptical that this has much of a chance of getting traction in Congress. Hawley: Well see. Certainly the reception we have gotten from parents, from gamers has been absolutely tremendous. And we intend to push forward. I think this is something that people should be aware of, I think its an issue that more and more people are going to care about as they learn about it, and itll be the start of a broader conversation. Schreier: Republican philosophy is generally all about personal accountability. Microtransactionsnobodys forced to pay for them or buy loot boxes. Why not let the free market decide their fate? Hawley: Well, similarly, as with casinos, we dont allow children to go into casinos. We very carefully control, regulate what our children are exposed to. This is well within that model. This is something every parent should care about, and I actually dont think that exertingwhen people understand that whats essentially happening here is online gambling being inserted into these games, I think a concern about Schreier: But thats not just what youre talking about here. Your bill also includes pay-to-win games which are not gambling, theyre paying for perks in a game. Hawley: Similar, though. Once again its a microtransaction thats not necessarily expected, especially from a child up front. And it is meant to induce obviously further playing, but also further spending of money. So it works in much the same way I think. The same arguments would apply. Schreier: What would you say to a video game company that says, Hey, without these things, youre going to cause us to crash, cause this entire industry to fold? Hawley: These are very resourceful people, and Im sure they can design games that dont rely on gambling directed at children in the center of the game. PR guy Mike Berg: Hey Jason, weve got time for one more question. Schreier: Sure. Something Im actually personally curious about, and this is not related, but I know that you count Peter Thiel among your [contributors]. Have you guys ever talked about what it was like to try to obliterate my company? Hawley: (laughs) We have not. So I dont have any personal information there.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 05/23/19 8:40:33 PM #4:	I'm not reading all that --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:922291211] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>I'm not reading all that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 8:41:43 PM #5:	I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922291250] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zerocide 05/23/19 8:43:50 PM #6:	TheGreatGeno326 posted... I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything Lol --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone Nioh is better than Dark Souls/Sekiro <cite>Zerocide posted [p:922291334] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 05/23/19 8:44:13 PM #7:	Another Geno alt that needs to go --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:922291355] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Another Geno alt that needs to go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/23/19 8:44:56 PM #8:	The idea is good but I have a feeling that there's going to be a catch. Especially since his focus is on protecting children. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:922291387] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>The idea is good but I have a feeling that there's going to be a catch. Especially since his focus is on protecting children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 8:44:57 PM #9:	Irony posted... Another Geno alt that needs to go Shut the fuck up --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922291389] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote>Another Geno alt that needs to go</quote> Shut the fuck up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GallisOTK 05/23/19 8:45:10 PM #10:	TheGreatGeno326 posted... I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything More than that, it's a bill that has support from both sides of the aisle. This whole discussion was jump-started by a sternly worded letter from a Democratic senator (Maggie Hassan from New Hampshire) to the Federal Trade Commission. --- "WHAT THE HELL'S GOIN' ON OUT HERE!?" ~ Vince Lombardi https://imgtc.com/i/rGEHq8T.gif <cite>GallisOTK posted [p:922291398] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything</quote> More than that, it's a bill that has support from both sides of the aisle. This whole discussion was jump-started by a sternly worded letter from a Democratic senator (Maggie Hassan from New Hampshire) to the Federal Trade Commission.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 05/23/19 8:45:26 PM #11:	Get rekt, greedy developers. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:922291407] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Get rekt, greedy developers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 05/23/19 8:46:20 PM #12:	Good, loot boxes, and pay to win is a fucking scam, and loot boxes themselves a form of gambling, we do not need that garbage in gaming. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" 3DS FC: 1564 - 7512 - 1815 <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:922291444] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Good, loot boxes, and pay to win is a fucking scam, and loot boxes themselves a form of gambling, we do not need that garbage in gaming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/23/19 8:46:57 PM #13:	Zerocide posted... The freshman senator from Missouri, who plans to soon introduce a bill that will ban loot boxes and pay-to-win microtransactions This man is my hero --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:922291460] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zerocide posted...</cite> <quote>The freshman senator from Missouri, who plans to soon introduce a bill that will ban loot boxes and pay-to-win microtransactions</quote> This man is my hero</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 05/23/19 8:48:58 PM #14:	Hope it passes, lootboxes are a fucking scam. --- Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4 Mercenaries Mode,Resident Evil 6 Mercenaries Mode & Call of Duty Ghosts <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:922291529] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Hope it passes, lootboxes are a fucking scam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 05/23/19 8:50:03 PM #16:	Did you post the bill? --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:922291567] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Did you post the bill?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 05/23/19 8:50:05 PM #17:	Crono99 posted... Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes. No they aren't --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:922291569] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Crono99 posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes.</quote> No they aren't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/23/19 8:50:59 PM #18:	Irony posted... Crono99 posted... Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes. No they aren't Speak for yourself --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:922291616] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Crono99 posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes.</quote> No they aren't</quote> Speak for yourself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 05/23/19 8:51:47 PM #19:	This is a free "protect the kids" piece of legislation for easy political points that only pisses off a tiny number of people. This will likely get broad bipartisan support. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:922291642] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>This is a free "protect the kids" piece of legislation for easy political points that only pisses off a tiny number of people. This will likely get broad bipartisan support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 8:53:49 PM #20:	The p2w whales who pay to get ahead in MMOs because theyre shit at the game are gonna be so fucking mad about this lol --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922291724] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>The p2w whales who pay to get ahead in MMOs because theyre shit at the game are gonna be so fucking mad about this lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/23/19 8:54:47 PM #21:	TheGreatGeno326 posted... The p2w whales who pay to get ahead in MMOs because theyre shit at the game are gonna be so fucking mad about this lol I guarantee you will see people come into this thread that will defend it, and they will continue to defend it as congress makes the bill law. I don't understand some people. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:922291765] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote>The p2w whales who pay to get ahead in MMOs because theyre shit at the game are gonna be so fucking mad about this lol</quote> I guarantee you will see people come into this thread that will defend it, and they will continue to defend it as congress makes the bill law. I don't understand some people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 05/23/19 8:54:47 PM #22:	EverDownward posted... Irony posted... Crono99 posted... Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes. No they aren't Speak for yourself I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:922291766] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Crono99 posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes.</quote> No they aren't</quote> Speak for yourself</quote> I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/23/19 8:55:08 PM #23:	Irony posted... EverDownward posted... Irony posted... Crono99 posted... Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes. No they aren't Speak for yourself I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention It's Star Wars, of course a ton of people bought it. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:922291781] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Crono99 posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes.</quote> No they aren't</quote> Speak for yourself</quote> I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention</quote> It's Star Wars, of course a ton of people bought it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 05/23/19 8:55:27 PM #24:	Activision and EA are probably going to try to lobby this bill hard. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! Switch FC: SW-0575-4758-7878 <cite>Prestoff posted [p:922291793] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Activision and EA are probably going to try to lobby this bill hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 05/23/19 8:56:31 PM #25:	EverDownward posted... Irony posted... EverDownward posted... Irony posted... Crono99 posted... Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes. No they aren't Speak for yourself I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention It's Star Wars, of course a ton of people bought it. rolls eyes --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:922291837] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Crono99 posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes.</quote> No they aren't</quote> Speak for yourself</quote> I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention</quote> It's Star Wars, of course a ton of people bought it.</quote> rolls eyes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 05/23/19 8:56:55 PM #26:	EA and Activision are probably thinking up a new way to scam gamers, they will likely fight this but they almost certainly have a "plan B". --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" 3DS FC: 1564 - 7512 - 1815 <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:922291853] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>EA and Activision are probably thinking up a new way to scam gamers, they will likely fight this but they almost certainly have a "plan B".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 8:57:23 PM #27:	Irony posted... EverDownward posted... Irony posted... EverDownward posted... Irony posted... Crono99 posted... Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes. No they aren't Speak for yourself I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention It's Star Wars, of course a ton of people bought it. rolls eyes Why are you defending loot boxes? Is it because you're terrible at games and need p2w to get aheaf? Lol --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922291865] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Crono99 posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, consumers are worried about lootboxes.</quote> No they aren't</quote> Speak for yourself</quote> I'm not, the close to 10 million people that bought BF2 are proof you guys are just another vocal minority bitching for attention</quote> It's Star Wars, of course a ton of people bought it.</quote> rolls eyes</quote> Why are you defending loot boxes? Is it because you're terrible at games and need p2w to get aheaf? Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zerocide 05/23/19 9:11:20 PM #28:	Prestoff posted... Activision and EA are probably going to try to lobby this bill hard. I wouldn't be surprised, EA will certainly fight tooth and nail. --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone Nioh is better than Dark Souls/Sekiro <cite>Zerocide posted [p:922292377] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Prestoff posted...</cite> <quote>Activision and EA are probably going to try to lobby this bill hard.</quote> I wouldn't be surprised, EA will certainly fight tooth and nail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 05/23/19 9:11:33 PM #29:	TheGreatGeno326 posted... Why are you defending loot boxes? It's a gimmick, mostly. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:922292386] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you defending loot boxes?</quote> It's a gimmick, mostly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/23/19 9:13:45 PM #30:	Darmik posted... The idea is good but I have a feeling that there's going to be a catch. Especially since his focus is on protecting children. This. Also because it's from a Republican. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922292479] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The idea is good but I have a feeling that there's going to be a catch. Especially since his focus is on protecting children.</quote> This. Also because it's from a Republican.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 05/23/19 9:19:30 PM #31:	I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:922292711] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 9:24:04 PM #32:	Ricemills posted... I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps. Raising the esrb rating would hurt sales and would require many major changes to established MMORPGs --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922292887] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps.</quote> Raising the esrb rating would hurt sales and would require many major changes to established MMORPGs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 05/23/19 9:24:41 PM #33:	every single time the government has attempted to legislate morality in games it's been with catastrophic implications and people fought them tooth and nail at the mere prospect because they could see the doors that it opened. i suppose somewhere along the way we lost the power of foresight because nothing good will come from this and so many people are so pitifully complacent about it. it's a shame --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:922292916] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>every single time the government has attempted to legislate morality in games it's been with catastrophic implications and people fought them tooth and nail at the mere prospect because they could see the doors that it opened. i suppose somewhere along the way we lost the power of foresight because nothing good will come from this and so many people are so pitifully complacent about it. it's a shame</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 05/23/19 9:27:13 PM #34:	This is bad for freedom --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:922293021] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>This is bad for freedom</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 9:29:40 PM #35:	ultimate reaver posted... every single time the government has attempted to legislate morality in games it's been with catastrophic implications and people fought them tooth and nail at the mere prospect because they could see the doors that it opened. i suppose somewhere along the way we lost the power of foresight because nothing good will come from this and so many people are so pitifully complacent about it. it's a shame EndOfDiscOne posted... This is bad for freedom Found the guys who spends half their paychecks on microtransactions --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922293122] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote>every single time the government has attempted to legislate morality in games it's been with catastrophic implications and people fought them tooth and nail at the mere prospect because they could see the doors that it opened. i suppose somewhere along the way we lost the power of foresight because nothing good will come from this and so many people are so pitifully complacent about it. it's a shame</quote> <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>This is bad for freedom</quote> Found the guys who spends half their paychecks on microtransactions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/23/19 9:29:55 PM #36:	Similar, though. Once again its a microtransaction thats not necessarily expected, especially from a child up front. And it is meant to induce obviously further playing, but also further spending of money. So it works in much the same way I think. The same arguments would apply. This quote specifically is a bit concerning. If the argument is 'further transactions that aren't expected that induce further playtime' how far does that reach? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:922293136] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><quote>Similar, though. Once again its a microtransaction thats not necessarily expected, especially from a child up front. And it is meant to induce obviously further playing, but also further spending of money. So it works in much the same way I think. The same arguments would apply.</quote> This quote specifically is a bit concerning. If the argument is 'further transactions that aren't expected that induce further playtime' how far does that reach?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 05/23/19 9:30:26 PM #37:	TheGreatGeno326 posted... Ricemills posted... I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps. Raising the esrb rating would hurt sales and would require many major changes to established MMORPGs and banned lootbox won't hurt their profit? --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:922293154] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps.</quote> Raising the esrb rating would hurt sales and would require many major changes to established MMORPGs</quote> and banned lootbox won't hurt their profit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zerocide 05/23/19 9:31:27 PM #38:	EndOfDiscOne posted... This is bad for freedom Lolwut --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone Nioh is better than Dark Souls/Sekiro <cite>Zerocide posted [p:922293193] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>This is bad for freedom</quote> Lolwut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/23/19 9:32:10 PM #39:	serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble? --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:922293220] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 05/23/19 9:33:19 PM #40:	Knowing the GOP I'm gonna guess this bill sounds good but has some awful shit tucked away in it. Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:922293257] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote>Knowing the GOP I'm gonna guess this bill sounds good but has some awful shit tucked away in it. Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGeno326 05/23/19 9:33:56 PM #41:	Ricemills posted... TheGreatGeno326 posted... Ricemills posted... I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps. Raising the esrb rating would hurt sales and would require many major changes to established MMORPGs and banned lootbox won't hurt their profit? Yeah but its nice to know they lose lots of money either way --- Formerly Known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted [p:922293274] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps.</quote> Raising the esrb rating would hurt sales and would require many major changes to established MMORPGs</quote> and banned lootbox won't hurt their profit?</quote> Yeah but its nice to know they lose lots of money either way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/23/19 9:33:57 PM #42:	TheGreatGeno326 posted... I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything It has bipartisan support --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922293276] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGreatGeno326 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe theres a republican bill I actually support First time for everything</quote> It has bipartisan support</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/23/19 9:35:59 PM #43:	Ricemills posted... I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps. That is incorrect. You are explicitly not allowed to enable lootboxes with an update in minor oriented games. It doesn't matter if the person playing them is an adult. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922293368] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps.</quote> That is incorrect. You are explicitly not allowed to enable lootboxes with an update in minor oriented games. It doesn't matter if the person playing them is an adult.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 05/23/19 9:36:05 PM #44:	GasMonkey posted... serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble? I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:922293371] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble?</quote> I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/23/19 9:37:04 PM #45:	ultimate reaver posted... GasMonkey posted... serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble? I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes Because lootboxes are detrimental to video games in general. Edit: also they're not even being banned. Only "pay to win" lootboxes are being banned. Shit like overwatch is completely unaffected. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922293401] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble?</quote> I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes</quote> Because lootboxes are detrimental to video games in general. Edit: also they're not even being banned. Only "pay to win" lootboxes are being banned. Shit like overwatch is completely unaffected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 05/23/19 9:37:32 PM #46:	Tyranthraxus posted... Ricemills posted... I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps. That is incorrect. You are explicitly not allowed to enable lootboxes with an update in minor oriented games. It doesn't matter if the person playing them is an adult. so other games than minor oriented are untouched? whelp, thanks for the false hopes. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:922293418] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just concerned that their approach was only with "protect the children". it means game developers could have just put a "are you over 18" checkbox or raise the esrb rating and done. especially when the adults are the main victims of these lootbox and gacha craps.</quote> That is incorrect. You are explicitly not allowed to enable lootboxes with an update in minor oriented games. It doesn't matter if the person playing them is an adult.</quote> so other games than minor oriented are untouched? whelp, thanks for the false hopes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 05/23/19 9:39:50 PM #47:	Tyranthraxus posted... ultimate reaver posted... GasMonkey posted... serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble? I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes Because lootboxes are detrimental to video games in general. Weird because I can just not play overwatch or Battlefield or Fifa or whatever and still have way more games than I could ever forseeably play with minimal or no micro transactions. And even if I couldn't and they were more widspread outside of a handful of genres, I still wouldn't care because just because it takes away from a game for me doesn't mean it does for the many other people who clearly either don't let it affect them or enjoy them --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:922293494] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble?</quote> I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes</quote> Because lootboxes are detrimental to video games in general.</quote> Weird because I can just not play overwatch or Battlefield or Fifa or whatever and still have way more games than I could ever forseeably play with minimal or no micro transactions. And even if I couldn't and they were more widspread outside of a handful of genres, I still wouldn't care because just because it takes away from a game for me doesn't mean it does for the many other people who clearly either don't let it affect them or enjoy them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/23/19 9:41:19 PM #48:	Ricemills posted... so other games than minor oriented are untouched? whelp, thanks for the false hopes. This is a little confusing so I'm going to try and clarify. This bill only affects minor oriented games which are defined as games designed to appeal to minors through use of artwork, age of characters, featuring minor celebrities OR adult celebrities that appeal to minors (like Mr. Rogers or something), OR any game to where it is known to the publisher that some players are under 18. In short, it pretty much affects everything worth playing except for hentai games. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922293561] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>so other games than minor oriented are untouched? whelp, thanks for the false hopes.</quote> This is a little confusing so I'm going to try and clarify. This bill only affects minor oriented games which are defined as games designed to appeal to minors through use of artwork, age of characters, featuring minor celebrities OR adult celebrities that appeal to minors (like Mr. Rogers or something), OR any game to where it is known to the publisher that some players are under 18. In short, it pretty much affects everything worth playing except for hentai games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/23/19 9:42:30 PM #49:	ultimate reaver posted... Tyranthraxus posted... ultimate reaver posted... GasMonkey posted... serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble? I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes Because lootboxes are detrimental to video games in general. Weird because I can just not play overwatch or Battlefield or Fifa or whatever and still have way more games than I could ever forseeably play with minimal or no micro transactions. And even if I couldn't and they were more widspread outside of a handful of genres, I still wouldn't care because just because it takes away from a game for me doesn't mean it does for the many other people who clearly either don't let it affect them or enjoy them That's nice. Have you considered thinking about people other than yourself for a minute or two? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922293608] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>serious question to those who like loot boxes. why? its clearly a scam. pay untold amounts of money in hopes the RNG gods will bless you? wouldnt you prefer to just outright buy the item youre going for instead of a gamble?</quote> I don't like lootboxes very much but I also have no problem with people spending their money how they like. I didn't give a shit about all the people buying scratch cards and lotto tickets when i worked in a supermarket, why would i care about lootboxes</quote> Because lootboxes are detrimental to video games in general.</quote> Weird because I can just not play overwatch or Battlefield or Fifa or whatever and still have way more games than I could ever forseeably play with minimal or no micro transactions. And even if I couldn't and they were more widspread outside of a handful of genres, I still wouldn't care because just because it takes away from a game for me doesn't mean it does for the many other people who clearly either don't let it affect them or enjoy them</quote> That's nice. Have you considered thinking about people other than yourself for a minute or two?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 05/23/19 9:42:53 PM #50:	Tyranthraxus posted... Ricemills posted... so other games than minor oriented are untouched? whelp, thanks for the false hopes. This is a little confusing so I'm going to try and clarify. This bill only affects minor oriented games which are defined as games designed to appeal to minors through use of artwork, age of characters, featuring minor celebrities OR adult celebrities that appeal to minors (like Mr. Rogers or something), OR any game to where it is known to the publisher that some players are under 18. In short, it pretty much affects everything worth playing except for hentai games. so back to "are you over 18" check box again? --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:922293624] in Gaming Ind... [t:77736035]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote>so other games than minor oriented are untouched? whelp, thanks for the false hopes.</quote> This is a little confusing so I'm going to try and clarify. This bill only affects minor oriented games which are defined as games designed to appeal to minors through use of artwork, age of characters, featuring minor celebrities OR adult celebrities that appeal to minors (like Mr. Rogers or something), OR any game to where it is known to the publisher that some players are under 18. In short, it pretty much affects everything worth playing except for hentai games.</quote> so back to "are you over 18" check box again?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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