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Blue_Inigo
05/15/19 12:07:57 PM
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FF7 Fans: Sephiroth! Big Swords! Tifa boobs! Stabbing!
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 12:22:32 PM
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Square: Buy it all over again, repeatedly, on your phone, your new consoles, and even that Nintendo one! Also we're selling you an action version, in pieces, for $180.
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Kaiganeer
05/15/19 12:25:38 PM
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ff8: mercenary groups raising child soldiers are fuckin' rad!
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Pancake
05/15/19 12:26:29 PM
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ff8 fans: we don't exist lol!
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 12:27:28 PM
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FF10 fans: SFM Lulu porn!
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Zerocide
05/15/19 12:29:08 PM
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That's giant swords and riding motorcycles to you my good sir.
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 12:33:23 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
FFXII: politics
FFXII fans: Fran's ass

FF12's character designer: all the asses!
https://www.denofgeek.com/games/bravely-default/28420/in-praise-of-akihiko-yoshidas-videogame-fantasy-art
And on the occasions when his inspiration's run a little dry, Yoshida sometimes resorts to drawing a very particular part of a character's anatomy to provide a starting point. "When I'm having trouble coming up with a design," Yoshida confided in a 2006 interview, "or I'm otherwise stuck, I'll start working on the back or buttocks. Using these as starting points, the ideas seem to flow very smoothly for me."
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Doe
05/15/19 12:34:46 PM
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Nier Automata: The lines we've drawn to define and separate ourselves are more blurred than we believe

NA fans: LoOk At 2B's BuTt i HaVe It aS My WaLlPaPeR
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hollow_shrine
05/15/19 12:35:32 PM
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I don't think that accurately represents FF7 fans.

I think those aesthetics were more easily digestible and exploitable by Square Enix than the more complex stuff in a moment where Square was particularly desperate for money (because of the failure of The Spirits Within). And we the fandom were keen to revisit FFVII in just about any capacity, such that even Nomura's aesthetic choices in character/setting design or mere nods to FFVII were enough to have us slavering at Square's (or maybe SquareEnix now) door.

But flashing forward twenty years FFVII's fandom has grown, not shrunk because of the quality of the original work (and a bit of nostalgia to be certain).
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DevsBro
05/15/19 12:36:35 PM
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I dunno if that was really the theme of the story.

The evil corporation is first overshadowed by a much bigger threat, then puts up a serious effort to stop it, then opens the way for the party members to finally take down the threat, by doing what it does best--eating the planet's spirit energy. If it hadn't been for Shinra, Sephiroth would have achieved his goal.

Of course, the party still didn't stop Meteor, but that was mostly because they decided to go sightseeing in Japan, raise and race chocobos, pick fights with Kaiju and do internal self-reflection with the limited time they had instead of going to fight Sephiroth at the first opportunity.
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MetalGearSquid
05/15/19 12:37:16 PM
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FF10: Cults are bad
Fans: LULU TITTIES THO
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AngelsNAirwav3s
05/15/19 12:37:25 PM
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Isn't FF7 more like Corporation is bad, but eco-terrorist wants to destroy the planet?
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DarkRoast
05/15/19 12:38:43 PM
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FF7 was as much a criticism of the wilfully ignorant energy demands of the people as it was Shinra for providing it.
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Naysaspace
05/15/19 12:39:34 PM
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FF10: HA HA HA HA HA HA ha HA HA
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 12:40:55 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Of course, the party still didn't stop Meteor, but that was mostly because they decided to go sightseeing in Japan, raise and race chocobos, pick fights with Kaiju and do internal self-reflection with the limited time they had instead of going to fight Sephiroth at the first opportunity.

"The World is ending in half an hour - let's go do sidequests!" has been endemic to Final Fantasy since roughly that second game (that nobody remembers).
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DevsBro
05/15/19 12:41:44 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
If it hadn't been for Shinra Sephiroth wouldn't exist, so this is kind of a moot point.

Eh, sorta, but it was more one nutcase that worked for them than the corporation as a whole.

But to your point, it could also be seen as an irresponsible corporation trying and failing to do damage control.
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AlisLandale
05/15/19 12:42:22 PM
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Even though the villain is a corporation, I never got strong anti-corporate vibes from FF7.

It dealt with a lot of different things and whittling it down to corporations bad seems to oversimplify it
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hollow_shrine
05/15/19 12:44:17 PM
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DevsBro posted...
The evil corporation is first overshadowed by a much bigger threat, then puts up a serious effort to stop it, then opens the way for the party members to finally take down the threat, by doing what it does best--eating the planet's spirit energy. If it hadn't been for Shinra, Sephiroth would have achieved his goal.

Without Shinra, there's literally no Sephiroth. Also Shinra's greatest aid to the party is piercing the barrier preventing the party from entering the Northern Crater post disc 1. They do that entirely by accident, because they were just trying to kill the Diamond weapon.

DevsBro posted...
Of course, the party still didn't stop Meteor, but that was mostly because they decided to go sightseeing in Japan, raise and race chocobos, pick fights with Kaiju and do internal self-reflection with the limited time they had instead of going to fight Sephiroth at the first opportunity.

They did. The concentration of Jenova cells at the Northern Crater is blocking Aeris's prayer to summon Holy. You travel to the Northern crater to sever Jenova's lifestream connection at let the prayer through.
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Pancake
05/15/19 12:45:38 PM
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also don't leave home without your pre-emptive materia.
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 12:48:09 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
It dealt with a lot of different things and whittling it down to corporations bad seems to oversimplify it

"eco-terrorism good" seems to be the actual theme, for the first disc or so.
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AvantgardeAClue
05/15/19 12:49:02 PM
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Dey killin' the planet, Cloud!
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Lost_All_Senses
05/15/19 12:50:18 PM
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FF7: Tells story about mental health

Fans: "Put on the FUCKIN dress and get raped Cloud"
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AvantgardeAClue
05/15/19 12:52:44 PM
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FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"
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OmegaShinkai
05/15/19 12:53:39 PM
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if Sephiroth learned that Jenova wasn't actually an Ancient while in the Lifestream, shouldn't he have also learned that she wasn't his mother either?
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Lost_All_Senses
05/15/19 12:53:59 PM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.
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AvantgardeAClue
05/15/19 12:55:32 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.


The later games go as far as to say she had the innocence of a little girl though lol

FF7 Aerith was way more complex than that
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DevsBro
05/15/19 12:55:43 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.

But it does generally exclude threats against genetalia.
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Lost_All_Senses
05/15/19 12:58:51 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.

But it does generally exclude threats against genetalia.


It does not. There is a difference between being "sweet & kind" and being a "weak pushover". Pushovers just write off their lack of fight on being sweet & kind because it's easier to accept.
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AvantgardeAClue
05/15/19 1:00:40 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
DevsBro posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.

But it does generally exclude threats against genetalia.


It does not. There is a difference between being "sweet & kind" and being a "weak pushover". Pushovers just write off their lack of fight on being sweet & kind because it's easier to accept.


Dawg I just said the compilation retconned her to be as innocent as a child when in reality she butted heads with Tifa a lot and was way more outgoing lol
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DevsBro
05/15/19 1:01:09 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
DevsBro posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.

But it does generally exclude threats against genetalia.


It does not. There is a difference between being "sweet & kind" and being a "weak pushover". Pushovers just write off their lack of fight on being sweet & kind because it's easier to accept.

lol

"I'll destroy your testacles!"
"What a sweet and kind girl."
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Lost_All_Senses
05/15/19 1:02:54 PM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
DevsBro posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
FF7: Aerith is such a sweet and kind girl

Also FF7:
Aerith:"I'll smash your nuts if you don't tell me where Barret is"


Not everyone idea of sweet & kind involves the woman being submissive and weak.

But it does generally exclude threats against genetalia.


It does not. There is a difference between being "sweet & kind" and being a "weak pushover". Pushovers just write off their lack of fight on being sweet & kind because it's easier to accept.


Dawg I just said the compilation retconned her to be as innocent as a child when in reality she butted heads with Tifa a lot and was way more outgoing lol


We just have different perceptions of sweet and kind. Cause outgoing doesn't contradict being sweet and kind at all to me. It's like you're describing "timid"
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Lairen
05/15/19 1:04:37 PM
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FFCC: This is a precious sword i rarely want to use to protect it!

FFVII: Drags sword on road while driving motorcycle.
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megamanfreakXD
05/15/19 1:04:45 PM
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Doe posted...
Nier Automata: The lines we've drawn to define and separate ourselves are more blurred than we believe

NA fans: LoOk At 2B's BuTt i HaVe It aS My WaLlPaPeR

so true
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hollow_shrine
05/15/19 1:23:39 PM
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OmegaShinkai posted...
if Sephiroth learned that Jenova wasn't actually an Ancient while in the Lifestream, shouldn't he have also learned that she wasn't his mother either?

Well, he is a clone infused with Jenova cells in the womb so he kind of has three parents. Also look at Cloud and all the other Jenova experiments. Not one of them is in a good place mental health wise. Worse, you never know when Jenova is going to reach out and possess you or start manipulating you into doing her bidding even without your knowledge. That's almost certainly what's happening when Sephiroth starts losing it in the Shinra mansion basement during the Nibelheim incident. It's like one of those zombie ants with a 100% infection rate post exposure. When people make comparisons to John Carpenter's The Thing this is why.
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 1:30:16 PM
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Aren't there like seventeen "Sephiroths" by the end?
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DarkRoast
05/15/19 1:30:30 PM
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FF7: Aeris
Also FF7: Aerith
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AlisLandale
05/15/19 1:32:13 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
AlisLandale posted...
It dealt with a lot of different things and whittling it down to corporations bad seems to oversimplify it

"eco-terrorism good" seems to be the actual theme, for the first disc or so.


Idk. Avalanche seem pretty conflicted about their actual role, to the point that some of the members muse that they deserved their fate as they died on the pillar
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 1:33:05 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
AlisLandale posted...
It dealt with a lot of different things and whittling it down to corporations bad seems to oversimplify it

"eco-terrorism good" seems to be the actual theme, for the first disc or so.


Idk. Avalanche seem pretty conflicted about their actual role, to the point that some of the members muse that they deserved their fate as they died on the pillar

And then "hippie town" doubled down on it.
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DevsBro
05/15/19 1:35:17 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Aren't there like seventeen "Sephiroths" by the end?

Not really.

There are a lot of "Sephiroth clones" (which actually aren't clones at all), but none of them look or act like Sephiroth. Cloud is one, Red XIII is one, the guy who are sick is one, etc. Though it turns out the Sephiroth you spend most of the game chasing is Jenova in disguise.
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Tyranthraxus
05/15/19 1:52:23 PM
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KyawsKC
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ultimate reaver
05/15/19 1:54:01 PM
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once people realize the initial villain of ff7 is a fat blonde guy millionare with a bad haircut the gamergate kids are going to turn on it even harder
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AlisLandale
05/15/19 1:54:34 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
KyawsKC


Seems kind of intellectually self-fellating considering the owners and creators of Gundam have never, ever shied away from exploiting the shallow, market-minded elements of the franchise. >_>

Also p sure Yoko Taro encourages 2B lewds on Twitter lol
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DevsBro
05/15/19 1:58:15 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
KyawsKC

Kinda the nature of the beast. If you made an opinional piece of some dude talking about why war is bad, nobody would watch it and there would be no point. But if you make it actually appealing, people miss the point.

But FTR, some of those Gundam series were so heavy-handed you really couldn't miss it unless you were just a total dope.

But also FTR, lots of people are total dopes lol.
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hollow_shrine
05/15/19 1:58:21 PM
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Was Red XIII injected with Jenova cells? It would be super interesting to learn why he didn't lose his marbles when literally everyone else does.

Also, fuck Hojo.
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DevsBro
05/15/19 2:01:41 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Was Red XIII injected with Jenova cells? It would be super interesting to learn why he didn't lose his marbles when literally everyone else does.

Also, fuck Hojo.

That's where he got his number.
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/19 2:02:25 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Was Red XIII injected with Jenova cells?

Wasn't there a subplot about injecting Aeris with Red13 cells, in the 'naughty' way?
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