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Dany couldve just killed Cersei. She didnt have to kill millions of innocent people.
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CM_Ponch posted...

You really think she was set off by bells? Not the murder of her best friend and her dragon? Not the death of her most loyal friend and half her army at Winterfell?

Some people are pretty obviously just memeing and aren't even trying to actually understand what's happening in the story.
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Starting the episode now, just gonna sort of write thoughts here.

I liked the ending of the previously on with quotes from all over the show.

To be sure Varys isn't trying to poison Daenarys, that'd be some of the dumbest shit he's pulled.

Going by the crazy eyes and hair, I think we're supposed to be assuming ol' Dany's in MadMode, but I kind of agree with her. Sansa did tell Tyrion the secret in hopes that he'd spread it around and cause discord. She asked Jon not to tell anyone because she knew that would happen and he still told.

I'm thinking this Varys execution is also supposed to indicate she's going evil, but it's nothing less than what Jon or Ned or Robb did on-screen. Still sad to see him go. I always wanted to see this actor give the speech from the end of Dance with Dragons. Drogon in the dark also looks dope as fuck in this scene.

Did...did they forget some of the High Valyrian words? Why did they put the Valyrian for Grey Worm in the subtitles rather than just translating it?

This scene where Daenarys is mad about Jon having more support for the throne than her is a bit silly when they could just get married and share the stupid thing. But apparently not because Jon doesn't want to bang her anymore? Why? Did they leave out a scene where he went, "Oh, man, she's my aunt, that's gross as fuck."

Tyrion, your qualms about children dying in King's Landing would hold more weight if you weren't suggesting slow starvation for them last episode.

These commoners are dumb as fuck, haven't they heard that the enemy has dragons? I'd be running away from the target, not hoping I could get into it.

Tyrion, you stupid fuck, leave your idiot brother locked up. If Jamie wants to throw eight seasons of character development away, let him. Oh god, now you're telling him how to escape the Red Keep. You deserve to be burned alive. I'm baffled that Tyrion is blind to what Cersei is. Cersei is never, ever, ever going to give up. If she escapes King's Landing, she'll be whoring herself in Pentos to buy an army to take it back by next week. All the emotional shit in this scene falls flat by just how stupid the both of them have had to be to end up in this situation.

I'm guessing an extra shouting "espringal" is the most accurate this season is going to get be to realistic medieval warfare, even ignoring the dragons.

Arya's been in King's Landing since the night before and she hasn't made it into the Keep yet? A bit nitpicky, but that's dumb. She knows how to sneak into the Keep, Cersei should have been found dead in her bed.

lol the extremely expensive Golden Company has also chosen to fight outside the castle walls. It's certainly nice of them to wait for Daenarys' army to all get there before attacking.

...it also took Jamie this long to get into the Red Keep? What.

This scene certainly makes it look like only Euron's ship has a scorpion. No giant wall of them like he had last episode.

Why isn't she attacking the front gates of the city? Her navy was devastated, I don't see much point in attacking from that front and it'll neuter - oh, nevermind lol. Looks like the Golden Company was a bad investment. Maybe they'll reconsider what contracts they take from now on.

I'm now confused as to what the worry about killing innocents is. Dany's entire army is now inside the city and I've not seen her kill noncombatants.

lmao at least Cersei is true to her character. All Tyrion's talk about changing her mind. The bitch is staring down both barrels of a dragon and is still saying, "Bring it on, sluts!"

Tyrion looks far more upset at a dragon burning people than, say, an entire fleet of ships being roasted by wildfire.

Um. What. Why the fuck did she do that?
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Oh, yes, let's give Euron a big fight. Sure, love that. And he kills(?) Jamie. Super.

lol it finally got through Cersei's thick goddamn skull.

Hey! We got a Hound saying "LOOK AT ME" like he did in his audition. That almost makes the abso-fucking-lutely idiotic Daenarys moment worth it.

lmao at Cersei's awkward walk-by of the Hound.

Shitty as this season is, "That's you. That's what you've always been," is a top-tier line.

Yeah, ol' Sandor didn't think the zombie brother thing through. Should have brought some dragonglass. Imagine living through the Long Night, just to get killed by a zombie that wasn't a wight.

Why didn't Arya stay in the Keep and use the secret passage she knew was there?

The bursts of wildfire are a nice touch, though I'm kind of disappointed they didn't do more with it.

Being lady of Storm's Keep doesn't sound so bad now, does it, Arya?

Hahahha, get shit on, Cersei. "I don't want to die. Not like this." Bitch, the fuck you think was going to happen when you killed the best friend of the woman with a flying nuke?

I cannot think of a more disgusting and disappointing ending for Jamie's entire character arc than holding Cersei in a close embrace as the city falls on top of them. Why the fuck even have him sleep with Brienne if this is what you were going to do? Let her get with Tormund and make everyone much happier. Fuck these writers for real.

I feel bad for my thoughts in this scene. Nice somber moment, all I can think is, "That's some master craftsmanship on that toy horse if it holds its shape after dragonfire."

Why is this horse scene in super slo-mo? It made me feel like Arya was about to bite it, but apparently it was just in slo-mo to pad out that extra sixty seconds.

And that's the end. Fuck me.

(PS: Everything else falls to shit, but the music is still fucking aces. This Rains of Castamere and Light of the Seven mash-up is fabulous.)
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au_gold posted...

What was up with the wildfire going off? Did Cersei plan that or were they just triggered by the dragon flames?

The Mad King set up wildfire traps all around Kings Landing. Only he and his pyromancers knew about it (and Jamie). So nobody knew that was there and the Dragonfire likely was setting them off.
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Daenerys was always going to turn mad. It was written in stone since the beginning. Dany's vision and Bran's vision from the earlier seasons foreshadowed it. It was shocking to see, but she's not out of character.

The biggest problem this whole season is the bad writing. Without GRRM's foundation, they turned it into a mediocre show. They fell back on the oldest tricks of the book. Plot shields and deus ex machina ruined the Long Night. Now we have rushed writing that made it seem like character arcs were destroyed.

It was still pretty spectacular to see though. Daenerys, the Mad Queen turned King's Landing into her personal canvas of destruction.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Daenerys was always going to turn mad. It was written in stone since the beginning. Dany's vision and Bran's vision from the earlier seasons foreshadowed it. It was shocking to see, but she's not out of character.

I love that people have been pointing out her vision in the House of the Undying. Everybody assumed that the scene was of falling winter snow in the throne room, but it turned out to be ashes.
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Daenerys was clearly becoming more violent all the way back in S3-S4
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Read over the topic and people are actually defending the writing on Dany's part? Are ya'll serious?

Most of the problems she had in previous seasons were the result of being too merciful to those she thought of as victims. The common people, the slaves. Yeah, she burned some people alive and slaughtered slave masters, but she worked her ass off to great inconvenience solely to try and keep people safe.

The Mad Queen plotline can be done well. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the direction the books are going. But it was not done well in this show. Most of the things we're meant to take as indications that she's going crazy are about as bad as what other "heroic" characters do. The first truly, indisputably mad thing she did was burning the city to the ground.

And why? Sparing the city would cost her nothing and perhaps gain her some of that love she was talking about wanting. Cersei wasn't going to escape, at least not to her knowledge. Even if she were worried about that possibility, she could have simply fried the Keep and spared the rest of the city.

The bells is really what makes the entire moment fucking stupid. Cersei refuses to ring them. That's in-character for her. Even with the city burning down around her, she still wasn't quite convinced she was going to lose. Have Daenarys burn the city because it refuses to surrender. That's more than enough to justify calling her a Mad Queen while also making it relatively reasonable from her perspective.

And that's putting aside all the other issues with this episode. Jamie's utter travesty of a resolution. The relatively lackluster Cleganebowl. Arya being there at all.

And speaking of Arya, would have been kind of nice if she'd fucking mentioned what she was doing to Jon or Sansa or Dany. She could show off her Faceless Mans kills and at least try to convince them to let the war keep for a little while or simply siege the city in favor of attacking it. I'd bet the next episode would be about Arya feeling guilty because keeping that information to herself makes her indirectly responsible for hahahahhaa of course it won't be.
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MrDrMan posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

to all the lovers of the shitty D&D writing and overall shitness of season 8 explain this.

I dont think we ever heard a character in the show say all the Dothraki had been killed.

Nope, but the "writers" did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ1yC3yESLQ" data-time="&start=123

Apparently, "the end of the Dothraki, essentially" means only 50% in D&D's world.
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The Dothraki part isn't a big deal tbh. We saw some running back from the attack and there were certainly a lot fewer of them in this episode than we saw in the original dragon battle.
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It was the same with the Unsullied. A huge moment in episode 3 was Greyworm destroying the bridge over the burning moat so the unsullied could sacrifice themselves to allow everyone else time to retreat back inside Winterfell.

Lol jk we're also here at KL ready for orders.

CM_Ponch posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

I'm pretty confident that Bronn is gonna take his miniature cross bow and bring down Drogon. He missed his chance the first time. Now he will get a second chance with an even smaller bow. He's gonna save Tyrion once again when the Mad Queen tries to execute him for betraying her. That is why Drogon went on a rampage. They're building the moment up so we can all be like, "OMFG BRONN KILLED DROGON WITH A TINY ASS BOW." And at that point no one will care as much either because she just used Drogon to kill millions of innocent people. Dany might die too. Then perhaps Jon will take the throne.

he'll point the bow all the way from Winterfell at the start of the episode. The episode will carry on as normal. In the final moments of the battle we'll get a x-ray shot of the arrow expertly going through the mouth and exploding the heart.

He's gonna get him right in the eye, watch.
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Don't worry, I fixed the episode.


Probably should have checked r/freefolk before I spent ten minutes making this
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MorganTJ posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

DoomsSD posted...

ssj3vegeta posted...

Not gonna lie dat tyrion and jaimie moment almost made me cry

but yea, no one wanted mad queen danny smh

I didnt mind her going full targ, but the way it panned out today was just nonsense.

The city was hers. They surrendered. She could have done a victory lap around the place on her dragon and capped it off by letting Drogon gobble up Cersie and no-one would have stopped her.

Instead she just flipped out and pulled a genocide on everyone.

This. I was down to see the mad queen but not like this. Literally the only thing Dany has was her sympathy and love towards the innocents. She made a ton of mistakes because she was trying to help one/few innocents all the way back to her first act when she saved Miri.

The show really fucked up here. It made for a cool ride but is really a huge letdown.

I would say her fatal flaw was always wrath. Several good characters throughout the series sentence others to death, but it's usually with a humane beheading. Dany always did it with fire, crucifixion, locking people in a vault to starve to death, etc., which are not painless ways to go.

It's fine if people think that the show didn't lead into her heel-turn very well these past few seasons, but to argue this is completely out of left field is laughable.

But that's the thing. I liked her burning the tarlys, that's something that was in character and showcased her "mad queen" turn.

If she had killed a bunch of nobles here or did something that killed a lot of loyalists, even those that surrendered, would be great. That would be her saying, fuck surrendering you stood in my way you die.

Here it's "fuck these civilians who I spent 7 seasons trying to save from a tyrant". It's extremely out of left field. Shit I'm pretty sure she mentions it in this very episode. If they say she went full on mad like mad king aerys than that's fine I guess it's just weak as fuck considering he went through a lot to become mad himself.
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CM_Ponch posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the way it happened was out of left field, though.

"they've surrendered!"

"yeah but I'm offended by bells now."

You really think she was set off by bells? Not the murder of her best friend and her dragon? Not the death of her most loyal friend and half her army at Winterfell?

lol I know it wasn't literally the bells. it's just that this episode was written so badly, it looked like she was reluctantly playing ball up until the bells rang and triggered a WWII flashback.

still, she could have gone straight for the Red Keep in her rage rather than go Super Buu on surrendered soldiers and civilians. it's not like she doesn't know where it is, and that completely contradicts the character she's had up until now. one episode.

we knew she had restraint issues. it was part of her build-up, none of the prior build-up implied anything near this level of psychotic. not even the wild shit that happened to her prior to coming to power triggered something like this.

it's like some fan created an alternate universe, Dragon Ball Multiverse style.
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God. I am legitimately mad at that episode. If a person had made me this mad, I think I'd have punched 'em.
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Euron had such a great arc. He started off as a cartoonishly evil dickhead, and ended as a cartoonishly evil... oh, wait.
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Like let me put it this way. If it's the whole "let it be fear" thing, then show her go for Sansa who she hates. Show her make Gendry pick a side. Make her more than just a one dimensional madman who abandoned every defining trait they had just to make the turn.
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I'm mostly sad that Tyrion continues to be a moron. It's like once they ran out of book material he lost all his political acumen. Old Tyrion would have agreed with Varys' assessment of Dany I believe and see it probably before Varys did.
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Vyrulisse posted...

I'm mostly sad that Tyrion continues to be a moron. It's like once they ran out of book material he lost all his political acumen. Old Tyrion would have agreed with Varys' assessment of Dany I believe and see it probably before Varys did.

Real talk, what did she do before this episode to really indicate she was evil?
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au_gold posted...

Euron had such a great arc. He started off as a cartoonishly evil dickhead, and ended as a cartoonishly evil... oh, wait.

He had probably the coolest introductory scene of any character in the series

only to turn him into a rushed cartoon villain without any real depth
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pegusus123456 posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

I'm mostly sad that Tyrion continues to be a moron. It's like once they ran out of book material he lost all his political acumen. Old Tyrion would have agreed with Varys' assessment of Dany I believe and see it probably before Varys did.

Real talk, what did she do before this episode to really indicate she was evil?

Burning the Tarlys. Always having to be talked out of burning cities. Being a Targaryen, a bloodline famous for snapping, which led to multiple books/seasons asking the question of whether she is like her father or not.

There was lots to foreshadow it, it probably just felt so quick because of how they are rushing this season.
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Shadow20201 posted...

Burning the Tarlys. Always having to be talked out of burning cities. Being a Targaryen, a bloodline famous for going snapping, which led to multiple books/seasons asking the question of whether she is like her father or not.

She straight-up gives the Tarlys the conditions and they decided they wanted to die. No different than Jon executing Slynt.

Turns out burning cities is a good way to get shit done. She lightly toasts King's Landing in this episode and they surrender in about fifteen minutes.

Being a Targaryen is not a good reason. Jon is one and they want to replace her with him.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Being a Targaryen is not a good reason. Jon is one and they want to replace her with him.

It was for her father, which brings the tragedy back to its origins. If her father wasn't mad, a lot of shit would have been averted. If she hadn't gone mad, a lot of people wouldn't have died by dragonfire. If you think GOT was about having a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
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Shadow20201 posted...

It was for her father

Her father wasn't insane because he was a Targaryan, he was insane because he was insane. Rhaegar was also his son and is considered one of the noblest people in the story.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Shadow20201 posted...

It was for her father

Her father wasn't insane because he was a Targaryan, he was insane because he was insane. Rhaegar was also his son and is considered one of the noblest people in the story.

The Targaryen lineage is famous for having crazies in it. Varys alluded to that when he made that coin flip comment. The books do a great job of detailing that, whereas the show rushes to that point without explaining why, and deserves to be criticised for that.
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This was a good episode. The best of season 8 so far. All the upset Dany fanbois who say this was out of character weren't paying attention. She's always been emotional and wanted to do this.
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I don't know why the hell they made the mountain literally unkillable. There's nothing someone can do to make a monster like that even in the world of GoT unless magic was involved and Qyburn can't do magic shit.

Shadow20201 posted...

The Targaryen lineage is famous for having crazies in it. Varys alluded to that when he made that coin flip comment. The books do a great job of detailing that, whereas the show rushes to that point without explaining why, and deserves to be criticised for that.

Yeah, I know. We've had seven seasons and five books showing that Dany isn't one of the crazy ones.

Kolibri X posted...

She's always been emotional and wanted to do this.

Oh, fuck off with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-EgM_yS0Lo" data-time="&start=44
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For fun I made a speculation video about the dumbest possible ending the show could do in episode 5 and 6, I haven't seen the episode yet, but the video just finished uploading, so if you want to laugh at how bad my video is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MFWYCCKX8" data-time="

I don't have ads, I don't make money, my dumbass videos are just for my dumbass self and whomever it's dumbassery might amuse.

Now I'm going to see the episode, hopefully I wasn't right about anything.
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It was the best episode of the season. Im sure people would be also upset if Dany didn't turn crazy and killed off all the people, cause then it would be boring episode. I expected for her to burn shit down in the end.
And i definitely expected for Jamie to die with Cersei.
But people just going to hate on the GoT till the end, cause it isn't turn out like they wanted to

vocedelmorte posted...

It was the best episode of the season. Im sure people would be also upset if Dany didn't turn crazy and killed off all the people, cause then it would be boring episode. I expected for her to burn shit down in the end.
And i definitely expected for Jamie to die with Cersei.
But people just going to hate on the GoT till the end, cause it isn't turn out like they wanted to

It's not the destination that has people upset it's the incredibly rushed journey to that.
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vocedelmorte posted...

But people just going to hate on the GoT till the end, cause it isn't turn out like they wanted to

You're right about this. I wanted it to turn out to be good and it isn't, so I don't like it.
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Zikten posted...

So what is to stop Jon from getting the madness someday too?

Because he was born of two entirely separate blood lines.

It's been explained in the show that the Targaryan blood line is full of incest and keeping it "pure".

Which lead to the Mad King snapping and the saying "when a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin." I know that's not the exact saying but the point is they have a history of mental issues due to the incest.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Shadow20201 posted...

The Targaryen lineage is famous for having crazies in it. Varys alluded to that when he made that coin flip comment. The books do a great job of detailing that, whereas the show rushes to that point without explaining why, and deserves to be criticised for that.

Yeah, I know. We've had seven seasons and five books showing that Dany isn't one of the crazy ones.

Kolibri X posted...

She's always been emotional and wanted to do this.

Oh, fuck off with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-EgM_yS0Lo" data-time="&start=44

Don't get emotional yourself bud. She's has a reputation though out the seasons of getting hot tempered and threatening to burn cities to the ground. Although the show often paints her as virtuous, you have to think deeper about her actions to realize she has deep anger issues.
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Y'know I was thinking of something in the shower this morning.

And I don't know if it was intended or just a symptom of the whole "not thinking about it while writing it".

But when the dust all settles and the bards and the mummers and the fools all sing of this battle, there will be one message for Westeros to take from all this carnage.

And that message is "Never allow women to rule again."

Westeros, a heavily patriarchal society has had its share of poor rulers. Maegor, Aegon IV, Aerys II, but never has there been this amount of loss of life in King's Landing that could be levied at two conflicting people. The Spring Sickness did for four out of ten in King's Landing, and while the numbers aren't in, I'd wager that this did worse.

And all because of two Queens. One Queen who rose to power amidst demolishing the center of religion, and then hid in her keep and died weeping clutching her womb while it all came crashing down upon her, and another who, when the city surrendered to her overwhelming might, chose instead to raze it all to the ground.

Two women are responsible for the gutting of Aegon I's jewel and the symbol of unification among the Seven Kingdoms.

That's how the smallfolk will see it. Hell, that's how everyone will and probably should see it.

And whenever a woman thinks to rise in power, the whispers will begin of another King's Landing.

It's kinda sick, when you think about it.
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So like 6/7 years ago when George RR Martin told them the major plot points & ending, was Daenerys burning Kings Landing one of them?

If she was always destined to burn Kings Landing like her father was going to do, then it makes sense that in a moment of rage shed snap. I dont see any other way how the girl who wanted to do good in the world would go on to commit this atrocity.

Show-wise:

She postponed taking Kings Landing to come to the defense of the northerners who are largely ungrateful & would rather have Jon as king.

1. She lost most of her armies
2. She lost her closest advisors
3. She lost her closest friends
4. She lost two of her dragons
5. She found out that Jon is the true heir to the Iron Throne, her lifes goal
6. She was betrayed by Jon for telling his family the truth about his parentage.
7. She was betrayed by Varys who was spreading that truth (presumably sent by ravens throughout Westeros)
8. She knows that she is not loved or welcomed in Westeros and is only feared
9. The last person remaining who ever showed her love refuses to do so now that he knows theyre related.

Shes practically alone in the world & her last advisor is in fear of going against her.

She had a moment filled with rage and she snapped.

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Her burning the Kings Landing was absolutely justified and a great culmination to the season

pegusus123456 posted...

lightly

That was more then lightly
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Kolibri X posted...

Don't get emotional yourself bud. She's has a reputation though out the seasons of getting hot tempered and threatening to burn cities to the ground.

When? I'll assume she did threaten to burn King's Landing despite not personally remembering, but what other time did she threaten it? Outside Qarth when she was just talking shit and trying to impress the Thirteen so they'd let her into the city?
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During the siege of Meereen by the masters she told Tyrion shed get revenge on them by crucifying, burning, & that shed return their cities to the dirt.

Thats when Tyrion told her that Jaime killed her father for trying to something similar in which innocents would die.

Dany: This is entirely different

Tyrion: Youre talking about destroying cities, its not entirely different. Allow me to suggest an alternate approach.

Season 6 episode 9 Battle of the Bastards, very beginning.

Other than that I dont recall her threatening to destroy cities. She did once threaten to Tyrion that shed fly her 3 dragons to the Red Keep. But Jon Snow told her that if she uses her dragons to burn cities & castles then shed be no different than the other tyrants that make people suffer.
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Yeah, what iPhone posted pretty much.
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500
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Makeveli_lives posted...

500

nah
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