Current Events > literally a new Game of Thrones episode tonight and no topic about it *spoilers*

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Some of you really will defend this show until the bitter end lol

Broseph_Stalin posted...

of all the dumb writing in this show, people are mad at dany going mad? the one thing that actually makes sense? the thing they've been consistently building towards since season 1?

these are the people who don't understand dany's arc rofl

You're honestly a gone cat yourself if the Mad Queen outcome didn't become obvious after Arya knifed the NK. At the very least, Cersei was never fit to be the final boss of this story, no matter how many contrived leg-ups the show gave her to keep her in the game.
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Spiritlittle posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Dany: I'm gonna burn cities to the ground
Casual fans: why is she burning this city to the ground?

Some of you really will defend this show until the bitter end lol

It's okay to dislike the show, it's not okay to ignore the story telling because you weren't paying attention.

Dude, stop it. This season is awful. Martin is probably furious.

You have been ignoring subtext and the character actions because you made Dany into some messiah like figure. The season has its faults, but this is not one of them.
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Zombie mountain vs night king one on one no weapons who wins
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I'm pretty confident that Bronn is gonna take his miniature cross bow and bring down Drogon. He missed his chance the first time. Now he will get a second chance with an even smaller bow. He's gonna save Tyrion once again when the Mad Queen tries to execute him for betraying her. That is why Drogon went on a rampage. They're building the moment up so we can all be like, "OMFG BRONN KILLED DROGON WITH A TINY ASS BOW." And at that point no one will care as much either because she just used Drogon to kill millions of innocent people. Dany might die too. Then perhaps Jon will take the throne.
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Spiritlittle posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Spiritlittle posted...

Not really. It goes against everything Dany has been building for the past 7 seasons and 5 books.

do you watch the show or what

Yep. Huge fan of the show and the books.

Season 7 Dany: I don't want to be the queen of ashes.

Season 8 Dany: I'll burn them all.

It's ridiculous.

Yeah, for the TV show this is such lazy writing to 180 that quickly.

My guess is the writer of the book told them this is how the book is going to end, so maybe the book would have made her madness more gradual than a flip like what happened here

CM_Ponch posted...

Spiritlittle posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Dany: I'm gonna burn cities to the ground
Casual fans: why is she burning this city to the ground?

Some of you really will defend this show until the bitter end lol

It's okay to dislike the show, it's not okay to ignore the story telling because you weren't paying attention.

Dude, stop it. This season is awful. Martin is probably furious.

You have been ignoring subtext and the character actions because you made Dany into some messiah like figure. The season has its faults, but this is not one of them.

No, I haven't. It doesn't make sense, that's the problem. I've read all the books and watched all the seasons multiple times. Dany is not stupid, neither is Jon or Tyrion. Jamie's arc from the whole series got obliterated in one episode.

Dany is a more fit ruler than Jon because she is willing to protect the innocent but not willing to let bad deeds go unpunished--that was Dany. They threw all that away for plot armor and shock value.

Even recent interviews with the actors describe how disappointing the final episodes are.
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Spiritlittle posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Spiritlittle posted...

Yep. Huge fan of the show and the books.

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Taking a city in Pentos is not the same to her as taking the Iron Throne. She literally said last season, "I don't want to be the queen of ashes."

Now, she did exactly that. They destroyed Jamie's arc. Cersei's death was terrible. Tyrion betraying Varys, a close friend and confidant, was also ridiculous as well as having everyone hide in the crypt during the winter battle.

The whole episode was bad. The whole season has been bad.

-Jaime did what he has always done which is prioritize Cersei. Thats what he did the entire series.
-Cerseis death was lackluster. If Arya had killed her though people would have cried this is fanservice bullshit
-Varys left Tyrion no option. Not only did he betray Dany but he was dumb enough to get Jon involved. Had Tyrion not told Daenerys right then and there he would have died. Tyrion covered his own ass which seemed like a pretty Tyrion thing to do IMO. Varys would have done the same thing.

I dont think its been bad at all.
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ssj3vegeta2 posted...

Zombie mountain vs night king one on one no weapons who wins

is that why the Hound couldn't injure him with any of those stabbings?

there's no intelligent way to defend Dany in tonight's episode, lol. the writers dropped the ball. this is the worst episode in many seasons, imo.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

there's no intelligent way to defend Dany in tonight's episode, lol. the writers dropped the ball. this is the worst episode in many seasons, imo.

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

there's no intelligent way to defend Dany in tonight's episode, lol.

this is what marvel/disney has done to storytelling

"b-but she was the hero?????"

8-bit_Biceps posted...

I'm pretty confident that Bronn is gonna take his miniature cross bow and bring down Drogon. He missed his chance the first time. Now he will get a second chance with an even smaller bow. He's gonna save Tyrion once again when the Mad Queen tries to execute him for betraying her. That is why Drogon went on a rampage. They're building the moment up so we can all be like, "OMFG BRONN KILLED DROGON WITH A TINY ASS BOW." And at that point no one will care as much either because she just used Drogon to kill millions of innocent people. Dany might die too. Then perhaps Jon will take the throne.

he'll point the bow all the way from Winterfell at the start of the episode. The episode will carry on as normal. In the final moments of the battle we'll get a x-ray shot of the arrow expertly going through the mouth and exploding the heart.
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dany is the true final boss. expectations subverted.
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Spiritlittle posted...

No, I haven't. It doesn't make sense, that's the problem. I've read all the books and watched all the seasons multiple times. Dany is not stupid, neither is Jon or Tyrion. Jamie's arc from the whole series got obliterated in one episode.

It's been a major point of her character. Have you not been paying atttention? It's the entire reason Varys died. Tyrion has been running around trying to save lives because he knew Dany wouldn't. The show has gone out of its way to tell you she's losing her shit and making bad decisions.
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CM_Ponch posted...

Spiritlittle posted...

No, I haven't. It doesn't make sense, that's the problem. I've read all the books and watched all the seasons multiple times. Dany is not stupid, neither is Jon or Tyrion. Jamie's arc from the whole series got obliterated in one episode.

It's been a major point of her character. Have you not been paying atttention? It's the entire reason Varys died. Tyrion has been running around trying to save lives because he knew Dany wouldn't. The show has gone out of its way to tell you she's losing her shit and making bad decisions.

Your example of the show showing her growth in madness is literally just earlier in the same episode

Ya know I'm really having trouble deciding which one I dislike more; this season or TLJ?
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BlueBoy675 posted...

I cant wait to watch those idiots in the bar cheer when Dany starts burning all the innocent civilians.

I just watch those vids reaction for the hot girls

CruelBuffalo posted...

Your example of the show showing her growth in madness is literally just earlier in the same episode

Varys has been clear in his lack of faith for some time, this episode was the payoff and proof that he was right. Tyrion has been pleading with Dany to be merciful for even longer.
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Didn't GRRM give D&D the basic plot and ending anyways? Ya'll are mad, but even if the books are finished they're probably not gonna be much different. I doubt they came up with Dany going nuts out of nowhere.

I did laugh a little when Cersei was just like welllll....let me just sneeeeeak right past ya when the hound was about to throw down

MorganTJ posted...

I doubt they came up with Dany going nuts out of nowhere.

Considering they started it in season 1, probably not.

It's 100% casual fans who are mad she isn't a generic comic book hero.

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

Only some of them died during the battle of winterfell. She didnt send them all out to fight the white walkers
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YookaLaylee posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

Only some of them died during the battle of winterfell. She didnt send them all out to fight the white walkers

We didn't see a single Dothraki fight inside Winterfell

There were signs pointing this ending/Examples of Dany being merciless:

-Mad King/Targaryen lineage.
-Season 2 vision of the throne room which has been destroyed possibly by fire with Daenerys walking through it.
-Season 2 threatens to burn down Qarth once her dragons are grown.
-Season 4 has Daario Naharis kill all the masters of Yunkai.
-Season 5 cruficies the noble men of Mereen.
-Season 1 or 2 the witch predicts her son will set the world on fire.
-Jon Snow lineage meant her claim to the throne wasnt valid. They couldnt coexist after that.
-Season 6 or 7 killed men of the Tarley family even after Tyrion begged her not to.

I dont get where this idea Daenerys is always merciful came from but its not true. She has done plenty of unnecessary killing throughout the show. The death of her close friends as well as the rejection from Jon Snow just pushed her off the deep end.
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GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

to all the lovers of the shitty D&D writing and overall shitness of season 8 explain this.

GSWarriors- posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

to all the lovers of the shitty D&D writing and overall shitness of season 8 explain this.

They were hoping viewers forgot
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GSWarriors- posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

to all the lovers of the shitty D&D writing and overall shitness of season 8 explain this.

I dont think we ever heard a character in the show say all the Dothraki had been killed. Its actually pretty clear their numbers were reduced since before when they outnumbered Cerseis army by a lot.
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CM_Ponch posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

GSWarriors- posted...

Wait so how the fuck did the Dothraki come back from the dead?

to all the lovers of the shitty D&D writing and overall shitness of season 8 explain this.

They were hoping viewers forgot

they were guarding Storms End
boom.
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Spiritlittle posted...

She literally said last season, "I don't want to be the queen of ashes."

She was quoting Tyrion (I think; it was one of her advisers), signaling that she was going to do things his way--but she secretly wanted to destroy King's Landing all along. She wanted revenge--did nobody notice the parallel between Dany and The Hound? Literally, The Hound didn't have to fight the Mountain. As he said about Cersei, the flames would take care of it, or the dragon, etc. etc.

But Sandor had to kill Gregor himself. It was about the vengeance.

Dany has lost much, and most of it was because of King's Landing and the people who lived there--especially the keep. Cersei betrayed trust and refused to help fight the Night King, which cost Jorah and a huge amount of Dany's loyal followers/soldiers their lives. She lost her dragon, she lost Missandei, she lost Jorah, she lost her brothers, she lost her father, and seeing the Red Keep standing triumphantly triggered her deepest sense of vengeance.

She said "fuck this, I'm the queen; if people don't love me, they'll fear me" and off she went.
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well she did say she was gonna break the wheel. ah the game of thrones has everyone as its pawns with or without them knowing

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Jaime's character arc has been treated the way he treated Bran in season 1, by being thrown out a window.

DoomsSD posted...

ssj3vegeta posted...

Not gonna lie dat tyrion and jaimie moment almost made me cry

but yea, no one wanted mad queen danny smh

I didnt mind her going full targ, but the way it panned out today was just nonsense.

The city was hers. They surrendered. She could have done a victory lap around the place on her dragon and capped it off by letting Drogon gobble up Cersie and no-one would have stopped her.

Instead she just flipped out and pulled a genocide on everyone.

This. I was down to see the mad queen but not like this. Literally the only thing Dany has was her sympathy and love towards the innocents. She made a ton of mistakes because she was trying to help one/few innocents all the way back to her first act when she saved Miri.

The show really fucked up here. It made for a cool ride but is really a huge letdown.
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I don't recall any mention of the Dothraki ever being wiped out. Plus, she had A LOT of them. 100,000 was it? some high number.
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Just finished.

Holy fucking shit.
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iClockwork posted...

Jaime's character arc has been treated the way he treated Bran in season 1, by being thrown out a window.

Jaime has always gone back to Cersei. He's done everything he's ever done so that he could return to her--the one time he left her, he was doing it because he made a promise. Even in light of Cersei's broken promise and all the terrible things she did, Jaime loved her.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Jaime has always gone back to Cersei. He's done everything he's ever done so that he could return to her--the one time he left her, he was doing it because he made a promise. Even in light of Cersei's broken promise and all the terrible things she did, Jaime loved her.

She just sent fucking Bronn to kill him and Tyrion...

Zeeak4444 posted...

DoomsSD posted...

ssj3vegeta posted...

Not gonna lie dat tyrion and jaimie moment almost made me cry

but yea, no one wanted mad queen danny smh

I didnt mind her going full targ, but the way it panned out today was just nonsense.

The city was hers. They surrendered. She could have done a victory lap around the place on her dragon and capped it off by letting Drogon gobble up Cersie and no-one would have stopped her.

Instead she just flipped out and pulled a genocide on everyone.

This. I was down to see the mad queen but not like this. Literally the only thing Dany has was her sympathy and love towards the innocents. She made a ton of mistakes because she was trying to help one/few innocents all the way back to her first act when she saved Miri.

The show really fucked up here. It made for a cool ride but is really a huge letdown.

I would say her fatal flaw was always wrath. Several good characters throughout the series sentence others to death, but it's usually with a humane beheading. Dany always did it with fire, crucifixion, locking people in a vault to starve to death, etc., which are not painless ways to go.

It's fine if people think that the show didn't lead into her heel-turn very well these past few seasons, but to argue this is completely out of left field is laughable.

So what is to stop Jon from getting the madness someday too?

MorganTJ posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

DoomsSD posted...

ssj3vegeta posted...

Not gonna lie dat tyrion and jaimie moment almost made me cry

but yea, no one wanted mad queen danny smh

I didnt mind her going full targ, but the way it panned out today was just nonsense.

The city was hers. They surrendered. She could have done a victory lap around the place on her dragon and capped it off by letting Drogon gobble up Cersie and no-one would have stopped her.

Instead she just flipped out and pulled a genocide on everyone.

This. I was down to see the mad queen but not like this. Literally the only thing Dany has was her sympathy and love towards the innocents. She made a ton of mistakes because she was trying to help one/few innocents all the way back to her first act when she saved Miri.

The show really fucked up here. It made for a cool ride but is really a huge letdown.

I would say her fatal flaw was always wrath. Several good characters throughout the series sentence others to death, but it's usually with a humane beheading. Dany always did it with fire, crucifixion, locking people in a vault to starve to death, etc., which are not painless ways to go.

It's fine if people think that the show didn't lead into her heel-turn very well these past few seasons, but to argue this is completely out of left field is laughable.

the way it happened was out of left field, though.

"they've surrendered!"

"yeah but I'm offended by bells now."
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I just got to the ringing.

Why.
Why even lol
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MorganTJ posted...

It's fine if people think that the show didn't lead into her heel-turn very well these past few seasons, but to argue this is completely out of left field is laughable.

I don't think anyone has issue with her turning into the mad queen, just the way it was handled. If they had actually built up to it more instead of what seems a very sudden flip, then it wouldn't be so bad.

The destroying of several other characters personalities doesn't help either and likely means people are even less inclined to give any leeway with it.
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Zikten posted...

So what is to stop Jon from getting the madness someday too?

He was raised by Ned Stark. Dany was raised as a bargaining chip to access the throne, then given delusions of being the rightful ruler of the world once her brother was killed. She was consumed by thirst for power and a lust for vengeance--Jon has neither, and has proven it many times. He doesn't want power or vengeance.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

MorganTJ posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

DoomsSD posted...

ssj3vegeta posted...

Not gonna lie dat tyrion and jaimie moment almost made me cry

but yea, no one wanted mad queen danny smh

I didnt mind her going full targ, but the way it panned out today was just nonsense.

The city was hers. They surrendered. She could have done a victory lap around the place on her dragon and capped it off by letting Drogon gobble up Cersie and no-one would have stopped her.

Instead she just flipped out and pulled a genocide on everyone.

This. I was down to see the mad queen but not like this. Literally the only thing Dany has was her sympathy and love towards the innocents. She made a ton of mistakes because she was trying to help one/few innocents all the way back to her first act when she saved Miri.

The show really fucked up here. It made for a cool ride but is really a huge letdown.

I would say her fatal flaw was always wrath. Several good characters throughout the series sentence others to death, but it's usually with a humane beheading. Dany always did it with fire, crucifixion, locking people in a vault to starve to death, etc., which are not painless ways to go.

It's fine if people think that the show didn't lead into her heel-turn very well these past few seasons, but to argue this is completely out of left field is laughable.

the way it happened was out of left field, though.

"they've surrendered!"

"yeah but I'm offended by bells now."

By the end of last episode, she wanted a bloodbath regardless of what the other side did. At this point, she considered the commoners guilty of inaction, since they didn't hand over the city immediately like in Essos and got two of her dragons and several important members of her court killed.

Either way though, even if she did accept the surrender, people would've been disappointed about a lackluster capture of King's Landing. People would be complaining regardless, because there's nothing the show can do to win them back at this point.

What was up with the wildfire going off? Did Cersei plan that or were they just triggered by the dragon flames?
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This was what Missandei called for last episode. When she said that I knew Dany would let loose on everything.
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We better see Syrio Forel in the last episode.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the way it happened was out of left field, though.

"they've surrendered!"

"yeah but I'm offended by bells now."

You really think she was set off by bells? Not the murder of her best friend and her dragon? Not the death of her most loyal friend and half her army at Winterfell?
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