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Veggeta X
05/11/19 11:52:34 PM
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How do you feel about this logic?
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50Blessings
05/11/19 11:53:25 PM
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I mean, it makes sense in theory but not in practice because EA/Ubisoft/Capcom/Square/Rockstar know you're just going to be buying their shit anyways.
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Vita_Aeterna
05/11/19 11:54:02 PM
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Acceptable as long as it's civil and realistic solutions are offered.
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Veggeta X
05/11/19 11:54:46 PM
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I think all it is-is it's bad justification to rationalize pessmism.
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Delta_Force
05/11/19 11:55:13 PM
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*Looks at Sonic.*

We're waiting on the "product gets better" part right now!
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Reis
05/11/19 11:55:41 PM
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don't like it? don't buy/watch/consume it. it's that simple
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Solid Snake07
05/11/19 11:55:42 PM
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My opinion is that you can complain all you want to, but dont get offended when I tell you I dont give a fuck. You're the one that brought us here
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DarkChozoGhost
05/11/19 11:58:52 PM
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"If we don't complain then how will the product get better?"

is superior to

"Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple"
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:00:13 AM
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It is not. People use bad justification to complain. I'm literally suggesting a great course for you when being pessomstic.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
05/12/19 12:02:16 AM
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Delta_Force posted...
*Looks at Sonic.*

We're waiting on the "product gets better" part right now!


To be fair, fixing Sonics eyes and teeth are probably not going to have any impact on the inevitable badly written story that is going to be this film.
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Kami_no_Kami
05/12/19 12:05:06 AM
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
Delta_Force posted...
*Looks at Sonic.*

We're waiting on the "product gets better" part right now!


To be fair, fixing Sonics eyes and teeth are probably not going to have any impact on the inevitable badly written story that is going to be this film.


Okay, but the product is getting better, right?
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TrevorBlack79
05/12/19 12:05:15 AM
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Consumer feedback is necessary.
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:06:35 AM
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50Blessings posted...
I mean, it makes sense in theory but not in practice because EA/Ubisoft/Capcom/Square/Rockstar know you're just going to be buying their shit anyways.

Idk, EA did quite the overhaul on Battlefront 2 after the massive vocal backlash they got over "pride and accomplishment"
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/12/19 12:07:23 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
I think all it is-is it's bad justification to rationalize pessmism.

It's criticism not pessimism.

Pessimism is not a word for anything negative.
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DarkChozoGhost
05/12/19 12:13:17 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
It is not. People use bad justification to complain. I'm literally suggesting a great course for you when being pessomstic.

But when complaining leads to things getting changed for the better, that's a win.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:17:11 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Veggeta X posted...
It is not. People use bad justification to complain. I'm literally suggesting a great course for you when being pessomstic.

But when complaining leads to things getting changed for the better, that's a win.

When are complaints ever reasonable from consumers that any company should follow through?
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:18:53 AM
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Why do you guys keep calling whiny temper tantrums as feedback and criticism lmao. People are so entitled, they believe their opinion is so important and they must be heard and realized.
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specialkid8
05/12/19 12:21:55 AM
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It makes sense in theory but, in reality, people on the internet are rarely capable of civil discourse and it just turns into people flipping their shit about inane stuff. Even after that, sometimes the company will change it to avoid bad press and sometimes they'll just tell people to deal with it so crying like a child doesn't even consistently work. Companies mostly care about money so "Don't like it don't buy it" still has the final say but a lot of people can't even seem to do that.
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DarkChozoGhost
05/12/19 12:22:42 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
When are complaints ever reasonable from consumers that any company should follow through?

It happens all the time. You want just any old example?

Sunchips started using a new type of bag made from recycled materials. The bags were extremely loud when touched. People complained, made fun of it, memed about it. They implemented a new type of bag in response (still made from recycled materials, just a different method). Positive change resulted from complaining.
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Kami_no_Kami
05/12/19 12:22:44 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
It is not. People use bad justification to complain. I'm literally suggesting a great course for you when being pessomstic.


But if nobody buys and no one complains, creators have no idea what aspect of the product consumers are dissatisfied with.

At best, they end up ruining the series by turning it into a half-assed version of some popular franchise (Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed), at worst they end up deciding that the series no longer appeals to enough of a demographic to be profitable and you lose any possibility of a product that is to your liking (countless series).
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:23:51 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Veggeta X posted...
When are complaints ever reasonable from consumers that any company should follow through?

It happens all the time. You want just any old example?

Sunchips started using a new type of bag made from recycled materials. The bags were extremely loud when touched. People complained, made fun of it, memed about it. They implemented a new type of bag in response (still made from recycled materials, just a different method). Positive change resulted from complaining.

Reasonable complaining is which I find hilarious you seem to think its a norm
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Strider102
05/12/19 12:23:56 AM
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When it comes to games or Sonic's appearance (although his original appearance was shut) it's all about "everything has to be the way I want or remember it, if you don't do that you're dead to me."

Heaven forbid if someone takes a property they themselves own and say to themselves "hey let's try something different."
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:24:14 AM
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Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum". And this is regarding something from one of the scummiest publishers in the industry. They've done a lot of grimey shit, so getting them to backpeddle that means a lot
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:24:18 AM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
Veggeta X posted...
It is not. People use bad justification to complain. I'm literally suggesting a great course for you when being pessomstic.


But if nobody buys and no one complains, creators have no idea what aspect of the product consumers are dissatisfied with.

At best, they end up ruining the series by turning it into a half-assed version of some popular franchise (Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed), at worst they end up deciding that the series no longer appeals to enough of a demographic to be profitable and you lose any possibility of a product that is to your liking (countless series).

Consumers dunno shit either who you tryna kid
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muchdran
05/12/19 12:24:51 AM
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Take it Twitter, so stupid though
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:25:13 AM
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SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is
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DarkChozoGhost
05/12/19 12:26:51 AM
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Veggeta X posted...

Reasonable complaining is which I find hilarious you seem to think its a norm

You're judgement on what's "reasonable" is poor.
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:27:31 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is

I don't get your point. Why wouldn't you want to have things your way?

Idk about you but I don't want to get cucked by any companies. If I can have the game, movie, show, etc I want the way I want then I don't give two shits about how it's done or how others see it.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:31:33 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Veggeta X posted...

Reasonable complaining is which I find hilarious you seem to think its a norm

You're judgement on what's "reasonable" is poor.

Not at all. Temper tantrums are not reasonable.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:33:27 AM
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SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is

I don't get your point. Why wouldn't you want to have things your way?

Idk about you but I don't want to get cucked by any companies. If I can have the game, movie, show, etc I want the way I want then I don't give two shits about how it's done or how others see it.

What makes you think youre so important?
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:34:47 AM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Veggeta X posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
Veggeta X posted...

Reasonable complaining is which I find hilarious you seem to think its a norm

You're judgement on what's "reasonable" is poor.

Not at all. Temper tantrums are not reasonable.

says the guy who's having a temper tantrum about consumers voicing their opinions on the products that are aimed toward them

Its not aimed towards you no more. Move on. But you wont. You want to complain.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:36:50 AM
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Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:36:56 AM
#38:


Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is

I don't get your point. Why wouldn't you want to have things your way?

Idk about you but I don't want to get cucked by any companies. If I can have the game, movie, show, etc I want the way I want then I don't give two shits about how it's done or how others see it.

What makes you think youre so important?

Because I'm me, duh. I'm not living anybody else's life am I? Why would I think anybody else to be more important?
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:37:32 AM
#39:


DuranOfForcena posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Its not aimed towards you no more.

yes it is

Obviously not. You want to believe it is so you can rationalize your complaints.
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TrevorBlack79
05/12/19 12:37:41 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.


No one is doing that.
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Strider102
05/12/19 12:38:09 AM
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But we can't expect products to cater to us and us alone, especially for years or even decades. Every so often you have to appeal to whatever is popular or in higher demand.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:38:31 AM
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SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is

I don't get your point. Why wouldn't you want to have things your way?

Idk about you but I don't want to get cucked by any companies. If I can have the game, movie, show, etc I want the way I want then I don't give two shits about how it's done or how others see it.

What makes you think youre so important?

Because I'm me, duh. I'm not living anybody else's life am I? Why would I think anybody else to be more important?

Heh... of course you wouldnt know being selfish and being narrow minded is an awful trait. Its temper tantrums 101.
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:38:51 AM
#43:


Veggeta X posted...
Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.

Allow me to reiterate. I'm not acting like the voice of millions. I'm my own voice. If I don't like something, I'm gonna say it. I don't give two shits if anybody is a cuck and likes something more than me. I'm not them.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:38:55 AM
#44:


TrevorBlack79 posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.


No one is doing that.

Uhhh
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:39:28 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is

I don't get your point. Why wouldn't you want to have things your way?

Idk about you but I don't want to get cucked by any companies. If I can have the game, movie, show, etc I want the way I want then I don't give two shits about how it's done or how others see it.

What makes you think youre so important?

Because I'm me, duh. I'm not living anybody else's life am I? Why would I think anybody else to be more important?

Heh... of course you wouldnt know being selfish and being narrow minded is an awful trait. Its temper tantrums 101.

I'm fully aware. I just don't give a shit. Why should I?
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:40:17 AM
#46:


SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.

Allow me to reiterate. I'm not acting like the voice of millions. I'm my own voice. If I don't like something, I'm gonna say it. I don't give two shits if anybody is a cuck and likes something more than me. I'm not them.

You dont care if its rational, reasonable, logical or even practicle either. So long as its what you want.
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Veggeta X
05/12/19 12:41:02 AM
#47:


SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Call it what you want, it works.

Why do children have temper tantrums? To get things their way. And there are times where, depending on the parent, it works. Same thing for companies.

As I mentioned before. Battlefront 2 would have been an even larger shit show had it not been for the "temper tantrum".

There it is

I don't get your point. Why wouldn't you want to have things your way?

Idk about you but I don't want to get cucked by any companies. If I can have the game, movie, show, etc I want the way I want then I don't give two shits about how it's done or how others see it.

What makes you think youre so important?

Because I'm me, duh. I'm not living anybody else's life am I? Why would I think anybody else to be more important?

Heh... of course you wouldnt know being selfish and being narrow minded is an awful trait. Its temper tantrums 101.

I'm fully aware. I just don't give a shit. Why should I?

If only the rest of your brethens had this much awareness.
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SailorGoon
05/12/19 12:41:17 AM
#48:


Veggeta X posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.

Allow me to reiterate. I'm not acting like the voice of millions. I'm my own voice. If I don't like something, I'm gonna say it. I don't give two shits if anybody is a cuck and likes something more than me. I'm not them.

You dont care if its rational, reasonable, logical or even practicle either. So long as its what you want.

Is that a rhetorical question? Otherwise I'm pretty sure I already answered it
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TrevorBlack79
05/12/19 12:41:51 AM
#49:


Veggeta X posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Youre one person vs a bunch of others. You guys need to stop acting like youre the voice.of millions.


No one is doing that.

Uhhh


Exactly.
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Kami_no_Kami
05/12/19 12:42:05 AM
#50:


Veggeta X posted...
Kami_no_Kami posted...
Veggeta X posted...
It is not. People use bad justification to complain. I'm literally suggesting a great course for you when being pessomstic.


But if nobody buys and no one complains, creators have no idea what aspect of the product consumers are dissatisfied with.

At best, they end up ruining the series by turning it into a half-assed version of some popular franchise (Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed), at worst they end up deciding that the series no longer appeals to enough of a demographic to be profitable and you lose any possibility of a product that is to your liking (countless series).

Consumers dunno shit either who you tryna kid


A lot of times people know what they want. If they like something they generally want that thing but with improved stuff from a sequel. People often make fun of the Sonic fandom, and rightfully so, but they have been very steadfast in complaining (primarily) in two directions since the dreamcast games:

- Roughly 45% of them want a Sonic Adventure 3.
- Roughly 45% of them want(ed) a new genesis-style game.
- The remaining 10% want other stuff like a new Sonic Rush, a new Adventure but with Sonic only, are fine with the current games, etc.

The reason that Sonic is a laughingstock in the gaming world is because Sega refused, for years, to listen to either of the primary groups. Its fine to do your own thing with your own franchise, but then the onus is on you if it doesnt sell.

They finally released a new genesis-style game and, unsurprisingly, it was best received Sonic game in 17 years.
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