Poll of the Day > I love supernatural but making *spoilers season 14*

(+) Yeah! (+)

Making god a villain is too much!
---

Naw
---

Who else is left at this point?
---

How the hell have they made 14 seasons?

I atleast have to applaud the actors for staying on, most shows get tired after 7-10 years and want to move on. They must really love making it
---

Huh? Gods make for great villains.
---

Tell that to RPGS where gods are usually the villains.
---

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Huh? Gods make for great villains.

Tessen18 posted...

Tell that to RPGS where gods are usually the villains.

those are gods, made by the rpg or often outdated and no longer worshipped.

But Sam and Dean are trying to kill God, man/entity who made and controls the entire universe.
---

LMAO. I haven't watched any of season 14 yet but watched all the way up to season 13 to that ridiculously stupid battle in the finale. Honestly that doesn't surprise me. I think the show's hilariously bad writing is part of its charm though.
---

:/ I like supernatural
---

It was a well done season but the finale, major spoilers here

Chuck comes back the entire time acting different from his normal self. Then pretends to be scared of Jack, and throws a fit when Dean doesnt listen to him, kills jack and dooms the world because hes mad that Dean didnt kill Jack like he though he would.

Its out of character and their excuse is well he was acting in season 4-13 or 5 whenever you meet him
Problem is there was never a reason to think he was acting

Not to mention how their portrayal of God went from borderline, being a bit too weird

To completely false and opposite His actual character, and then saying hes a villain
---

Oh I like the show too but the show's writing post season 5 is horrendous, which is part of why I like it to be honest, it's a beautiful trainwreck.

I'm not surprised that they would completely botch God's characterization either, they've never exactly gone for a faithful adaptation of Judeo-Christian lore. Even in season 4-5 they completely butcher/make up crap about Revelation. "Raising of the witnesses", the whore of Babylon is a teenage girl in the Midwest, Armageddon takes place in some dinky graveyard in Kansas (rather than Israel) between Lucifer and Michael? There's probably more I'm forgetting but yeah they clearly don't care about being accurate even in season 5 which is considered one of the best seasons so I really doubt they care now 9 years later when they're clearly phoning it in.
---

True enough but the Lucifer Michael scene could have been a reference to the war in heaven, which is between Lucifer and Michael with Michael winning but only being able to banish Lucifer to earth
---

SpaghettiCookie posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Huh? Gods make for great villains.

Tessen18 posted...

Tell that to RPGS where gods are usually the villains.

those are gods, made by the rpg or often outdated and no longer worshipped.

But Sam and Dean are trying to kill God, man/entity who made and controls the entire universe.

So? Just because it is based on primarily judeo Christian mythology doesnt mean they have to follow it to be aligned with your beliefs. Its entertainment. FYI/ the source material also is presented in several different ways across all the source materials and then even more varied in different groups interpretation of it.

I see no problem with it any more than any other use of the judeo christian god or any other god or mythology in any other entertainment media.
---

Was never a fan of the whole chuck is God thing
---

SpaghettiCookie posted...

:/ I like supernatural

I liked it too.

Eight seasons ago.
---

afrodude77 posted...

Was never a fan of the whole chuck is God thing

Me neither. It's interesting that he is now a story hungry egomaniac.

edit: oh I just realized he might be metatron.

wasn't God technically villainous in the Jewish bible, he wasn't anything like what Christianity portrays him to be, ok?

besides, God having human like faults makes him more likable, and believable from a story perspective, ok?
---

Conner4REAL posted...

SpaghettiCookie posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Huh? Gods make for great villains.

Tessen18 posted...

Tell that to RPGS where gods are usually the villains.

those are gods, made by the rpg or often outdated and no longer worshipped.

But Sam and Dean are trying to kill God, man/entity who made and controls the entire universe.

So? Just because it is based on primarily judeo Christian mythology doesnt mean they have to follow it to be aligned with your beliefs. Its entertainment. FYI/ the source material also is presented in several different ways across all the source materials and then even more varied in different groups interpretation of it.

I see no problem with it any more than any other use of the judeo christian god or any other god or mythology in any other entertainment media.

Yes and as the person writing this topic, I am giving my opinions.

ClarkDuke posted...

wasn't God technically villainous in the Jewish bible, he wasn't anything like what Christianity portrays him to be, ok?

besides, God having human like faults makes him more likable, and believable from a story perspective, ok?

Not really. God takes a harsh action against sin in the Bible, Jewish and Christian, but he isnt villainous. Hes facing off against s greater threat (allowing sin to thrive is evil and would corrupt and condemn all of humanity) thats true for both Jewish and Christian faiths.

Difference is Jewish faith believes God will take actions as harsh if they arent careful.
Christians believe that price is paid and we now do good to please God, not because we are fighting sin to save our souls
---

ClarkDuke posted...

wasn't God technically villainous in the Jewish bible, he wasn't anything like what Christianity portrays him to be, ok?

besides, God having human like faults makes him more likable, and believable from a story perspective, ok?

That would be impossible since God is omnipresent and all powerful in the bible.
---

You you watch/play Japanese media god is a villain all the time.
---

I thought that's where it would have to get eventually. Didn't think they'd do it though. Imagine Jesus comes to save the world in the finale...

SpaghettiCookie posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

wasn't God technically villainous in the Jewish bible, he wasn't anything like what Christianity portrays him to be, ok?

besides, God having human like faults makes him more likable, and believable from a story perspective, ok?

Not really. God takes a harsh action against sin in the Bible, Jewish and Christian, but he isnt villainous. Hes facing off against s greater threat (allowing sin to thrive is evil and would corrupt and condemn all of humanity) thats true for both Jewish and Christian faiths.

Difference is Jewish faith believes God will take actions as harsh if they arent careful.
Christians believe that price is paid and we now do good to please God, not because we are fighting sin to save our souls

feels like the later is an excuse to avoid effort, ok?

Revelation34 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

wasn't God technically villainous in the Jewish bible, he wasn't anything like what Christianity portrays him to be, ok?

besides, God having human like faults makes him more likable, and believable from a story perspective, ok?

That would be impossible since God is omnipresent and all powerful in the bible.

how doesn't he see things coming, existence in our dimension must feel like an exercise in futility on his part, ok?
---

Satanists are actually against suffering, and it's a pretty good reason t be against god in general.

You could easily portray him as the villain.

Especially if he was all knowing/omsipresent etc. If you go by the bible version of god, honestly he looks
like a villian.

The bible basically states he knows everything, what will be, what was, what is, so when he made creation, and each and every soul, he knew what their lives would be like and how it all would play out.

So old testiment god knew it was all gonna go to crap and he was basically gonna kill everyone. Then....everythign starts over pretty much, and he still is like (whatevers, your all going to hell cause your born with sin, so suffer for all eternity MUAHAHAHA).

Then eventually he's like...wait...I know....I'll totally give you a way to get into heaven, here is my son, I'll let him get tortured for you all, and if you believe in him and accept his sacrifice, you all can get into heaven.

Cept, you don't exactly have any fine print here, do you need to accept him every time you commit a sin, if you don't do things like "jesus would" are you turning your back on him, and therefore, won't get into heaven?

Could be a whole catch 22 type thing where nobody has literally gotten into heaven, or at least not for a very long time. Also, even if you do follow the bible, everyone who doesn't accept christ etc, all other religions, and like a majority of people on this planet throughout time....all go get tortured for eternity!! Woot, such a good guy!!!

So yeah, I mean, if your against suffering, non-existence is probably the best bet. Nobody chose to be born, to live these lives, some of which were horrid (not mine, or most of ours on this board, but there are people rotting in jails that have been for decades, people have/are/were tortured for long periods of time, people who hate themselves and everyone else (still a horrible existence) etc.

If those people were, sans their current personalities and the life choices/events that shaped them, given the option before birth weather or not to live that life.....it's very likely most would so ...no way Mr. God dude, i'm gonna totally take a pass on that, thanks anyway.

So yeah, no choice, you live, you suffer, you die. Yes there is joy and love and pleasure for some (not all), but it doesn't even out, in fact, the greater the joy and happiness the greater potential for suffering.

Hence the theory that this is actually hell, and we all just constantly live each others lives here, having just enough good to make the bad all that much worse.
---

Clark, it isnt an excuse to avoid work, because Christians still believe you should do those works and most pastors and preachers try their best.
They simply dont believe that failure=a damned soul
Theres also other differences but Im not an expert so I cant tackle the specifics only the general thing.

And Wolfy, To my understanding youre talking about luciferists. Satan means the enemy or the oppressor. Satanists know that Satan is a liar and is evil, but they choose to follow him in hopes that he grants them evil power (or just to be edgy)

Luciferists in the other hand, are deceived by lies that they were warned against years before they were made. Ironic.
However, what you seem to not understand is that biblically, God chose to give man free will. Yes He knows how it ends up, but he allowed us to choose because every time He didnt, humans rebelled against Him. This still results in some anger and rebellion but a lesser amount.

Also remember, the Bible specifically states that God (Yahweh, Yeshua, etc) is not the god of the earth...that is Lucifer. And the god of Earth spent as long as he could lying to people, deceiving people, and dragging people away from the real God.
The Bible also never denies that other beings, such as Malak, exist. It simply warns not to listen to them

And yet, people began to worship Malak (Moloch, MalEk, Milkom) and what did he do? Ordered people to burn their own babies alive. And yet before he did that, God warned people to stay away from him.

He (True God) gives people instructions how to stay safe, but doesnt force it, while god of Earth does everything in his power to sabotage and hurt people.

*Also, the Christian or Jewish Bible never say that the Devil/Satan/Lucifer currently reside in hell, they actually dont specify where he is currently only that he has taken dominion over Earth, will eventually ascend to heaven, be cast down to Earth by Michael, and then be offered redemption by Jesus, only to deny it; and then he and all others who deny it will be punished, as Sin must die*
---

It's about the only way they can end the series to be honest. It's probably the only way for sam and dean to "get out of the life" finally (somehow) and "retire".
---

SpaghettiCookie posted...

Satan means the enemy or the oppressor. Satanists know that Satan is a liar and is evil, but they choose to follow him in hopes that he grants them evil power (or just to be edgy)

Satanists follow the belief that demons are neat and will give you boons if you do rituals. It's pretty distinct from Judeo-Christian belief, it's basically just used as an origin story.
---

SpaghettiCookie posted...

Satan means the enemy or the oppressor.

Going back to origins, "satans" were individuals appointed by the Abrahamic god to preach the wrong opinion. To help people to understand why those opinions are wrong. Only recent translations merged them with Lucifer and the snake to create "the devil".
---

Wrong message, rather but that makes enough sense, especially considering the Bible many times referencing how Satan will use trusted people to speak through them
---

SpaghettiCookie posted...

Wrong message, rather but that makes enough sense, especially considering the Bible many times referencing how Satan will use trusted people to speak through them

According to the book of Revelation, Satan is "a great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads". The diadems are a symbol of sovereignty, which means Satan can do what he wants. People ask why God allows such a creature to exist, instead they should be asking why they stray so far from God to approach such a thing in the first place.

Supernatural is meant purely for entertainment and to make $ and is not meant to be taken literally.
---

No that is a form he takes and its unknown if thats metaphorical anyway
---

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Going back to origins, "satans" were individuals appointed by the Abrahamic god to preach the wrong opinion. To help people to understand why those opinions are wrong. Only recent translations merged them with Lucifer and the snake to create "the devil".

Thousands of years old translations are recent now?

minervo posted...

According to the book of Revelation, Satan is "a great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads". The diadems are a symbol of sovereignty, which means Satan can do what he wants. People ask why God allows such a creature to exist, instead they should be asking why they stray so far from God to approach such a thing in the first place.

Supernatural is meant purely for entertainment and to make $ and is not meant to be taken literally.

So they combined legends of dragons with the hydra?
---

Valiant_Kaiser posted...

I thought that's where it would have to get eventually. Didn't think they'd do it though. Imagine Jesus comes to save the world in the finale...

I've wanted to see something like that for so long, its unreal. I quit watching after the darkness was revealed because I just couldnt take it seriously after they strayed so far from the Biblical(mainly) and Judiacial lore.

Also, why the fuck did they even have to continue or even write so many end of the world plotlines? Like holy shit, can they not just make nothing but funny episodes and filler plotlines in supernatural? All these end of the world plotlines really fucking ruined the show for me.
---

The darkness was horrible. Like as a concept, as a villain. For every reason. There was nothing good about that season.
But there were good funny episodes.
---

The set-up to him being the series' big bad was unbelievably stupid, but it made for a cool moment plus it's a natural endcap. Although a lot seems out of character, the divine author could have been playing a part all along.

FrozenBananas posted...

I atleast have to applaud the actors for staying on, most shows get tired after 7-10 years and want to move on. They must really love making it

...more like the money.

Dennis_Malbini posted...

Oh I like the show too but the show's writing post season 5 is horrendous, which is part of why I like it to be honest, it's a beautiful trainwreck.

The writing for the first five seasons was horrendous as well, with season 1 being the worst.
---

Supernatural butt making? sounds hot

And scary
---

FatalAccident posted...

Supernatural butt making? sounds hot

And scary

I see this joke a lot and its so funny how often I forget it
---

SpaghettiCookie posted...

Clark, it isnt an excuse to avoid work, because Christians still believe you should do those works and most pastors and preachers try their best.
They simply dont believe that failure=a damned soul
Theres also other differences but Im not an expert so I cant tackle the specifics only the general thing.

a lot of the Christian flock, appears to be wolves in sheep's clothing, ok?
---