Poll of the Day > I've got a month before I enlist in the IDF

(+) Yeah! (+)

And I'm nervous

Anyway it's been a while since I've posted here so I thought I'd say hi or something

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Um..
So any upcoming switch game recommendations?
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blue_composer posted...

So any upcoming switch game recommendations?

Smash is out.

Still looking forward to Metroid Prime 4, but who knows when that'll release?
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International
Dapper
Frogs
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Far-Queue posted...

blue_composer posted...

So any upcoming switch game recommendations?

Smash is out.

Still looking forward to Metroid Prime 4, but who knows when that'll release?

Yeah I've got smash
More like being released in 2019 recommendations
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

International
Dapper
Frogs

No, it's irth defense force

Bayo 3 was or is set to release in 2019, not sure if that's still true though.

Yoshi has a new game releasing next year I think.

There's this Mecha game called daemon x machina (or something like that) that looks dope
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green dragon posted...

Yoshi has a new game releasing next year I think.

Ooh yeah forgot about this one.

And that Daemon game does look good but I want to see more gameplay.
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My twin wants to buy me two games because she wont be able to visit israel until 2020 and switch games are too expensive here and shipping to here is also not the best :/
I've never really liked yoshi so dunno
Fortunately there are plenty of ps4 players so buying second hand is easier
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Damn have fun shooting doctors and children

Nothing more to fear, than those before you. You will be fine.
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CaptainHammer posted...

Damn have fun shooting doctors and children

Not your kind. Smart.
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CaptainHammer posted...

Damn have fun shooting doctors and children

I'm not saying Israel is infallible and I have my own griefs with the government and living here in general but people that say things like what you said are missing 4 important points imo
1. Hamas literally rounds up the majority of these people that look the most vulnerable and puts them in dangerous situations
2. Israel goes out of it's way most times to avoid them( (innocent people that were put there) also think about it, if we really were as evil and causing genocide like people think why hasn't it happened?and why has their population gone up?)
3. When something does happen there are investigations and controversies and debates on the israeli side and among Israelis all over
4. Which is something you dont see from the other side that celebrates death and just shoots indiscriminately (one of the casualties in israel during the rocket fire from Gaza killed an Arab man from either the west bank or east Jerusalem (I cant remember atm) while he was working in my city of ashkelon)
just saying
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HillChange posted...

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Incest & Diaper Fetishists
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Good luck! You have my moral support!
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I have to say that I'm really impressed with TC's composure and response to that one post. Regardless of belief or whatever bias/belonging you want to be under on any side of the issue, it was nice to just see someone reply without devolving to name calling and bashing.
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Because he/she was born with it. Good luck. Most of us will never contribute as much.
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minervo posted...

Good luck! You have my moral support!

Thanks!GanglyKhan posted...

I have to say that I'm really impressed with TC's composure and response to that one post. Regardless of belief or whatever bias/belonging you want to be under on any side of the issue, it was nice to just see someone reply without devolving to name calling and bashing.

I appreciate it

OneTimeBen posted...

Because he/she was born with it. Good luck. Most of us will never contribute as much.

Nah, I'm just tired
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Sarcasthma posted...

HillChange posted...

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Nomak found the service he should be joining then
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im so bored
=/
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Just reloaded my prepaid visa at the post office :)
I could never buy games in israeli prices
300 for a switch game?
=(
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The group responsible for the keeping the juggalos happy.
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You all are so close
-_-"
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Do digital games cost just as much?
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

inappropriate
duck
foundation

I mean ... quack?
GanglyKhan posted...

Do digital games cost just as much?

Apparently the ps4 israeli store is a bit more (mine is still set to the us store but I haven't tried it yet and it might just include the base price plus VAT) but my switch games have almost all been downloaded from the us store so I just need to go out of my way to the post office and refill a visa prepaid card in order to buy games because the debit cards here (called direct) dont work online or outside of israel and credit cards all come with monthly unavoidable fees
There's supposedly a decent UK? game site that a lot of Israelis get their games from but I forgot
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hope you enjoy defending your ethnostate
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also, celeste is really good if you haven't played it yet
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blue_composer posted...

1. Hamas literally rounds up the majority of these people that look the most vulnerable and puts them in dangerous situations

Do you have a source for this. Amnesty international and most other (comparatively) nonpartisan sources disagree that hamas does this -- they DO fire rockets from civilian neighborhoods, but that's different from what you're claiming

2. Israel goes out of it's way most times to avoid them( (innocent people that were put there) also think about it, if we really were as evil and causing genocide like people think why hasn't it happened?and why has their population gone up?)

Do you have a source for this. (not haaretz or similar israeli propaganda)

3. When something does happen there are investigations and controversies and debates on the israeli side and among Israelis all over

I don't think controversy over killing civilians really erases culpability. for example, I think american citizens should be considered culpable for america's history of bombign civilians and civilian infrastructure in the middle east, supporting antidemocratic coups in south america, etc. Feeling bad abotu it doesn't excuse you from supporting it

celebrates death

It's cool that you are against celebrating death. I wish more people in the IDF believed that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtUoIpoh0BA" data-time="
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OniRonin posted...

blue_composer posted...

1. Hamas literally rounds up the majority of these people that look the most vulnerable and puts them in dangerous situations

Do you have a source for this. Amnesty international and most other (comparatively) nonpartisan sources disagree that hamas does this -- they DO fire rockets from civilian neighborhoods, but that's different from what you're claiming

2. Israel goes out of it's way most times to avoid them( (innocent people that were put there) also think about it, if we really were as evil and causing genocide like people think why hasn't it happened?and why has their population gone up?)

Do you have a source for this. (not haaretz or similar israeli propaganda)

3. When something does happen there are investigations and controversies and debates on the israeli side and among Israelis all over

I don't think controversy over killing civilians really erases culpability. for example, I think american citizens should be considered culpable for america's history of bombign civilians and civilian infrastructure in the middle east, supporting antidemocratic coups in south america, etc. Feeling bad abotu it doesn't excuse you from supporting it

celebrates death

It's cool that you are against celebrating death. I wish more people in the IDF believed that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtUoIpoh0BA" data-time="

Unless you too live in Israel, everything he says holds sway over anything you claim.
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You dont have to read the article just watch the video
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-caught-at-gaza-fence-hamas-plans-riots-so-people-wont-revolt/
If I had all day I'd link you to several more but it's nearly midnight here

https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/11/16/telegraph-reporter-reveals-lengths-israel-goes-to-in-effort-to-avoid-harming-palestinian-civilians-in-gaza-airstrikes//

You might consider this one blatant propaganda but it's there in video as well
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-footage-reveals-efforts-to-spare-civilians-in-gaza/

There was controversy over the soldier that killed a neutralized terrorist
There is always controversy about the steps the government chooses to protect or not to protect us
And most importantly there was even backlash and investigations into the video you posted

You dont live here so all you see is one sided reporting
I do, I interact with all sorts of people here jews muslims christians right and left wing
I'm probably more racist to the Russians here compared to how people think I feel about Palestinians
It might sound like deflecting but if you really cared about Palestinians you should start by taking a look at how they're treated by their own government as well as looking into how they're treated in surrounding Arab countries
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minervo posted...

Unless you too live in Israel, everything she says holds sway over anything you claim.

Unless you lived in Nazi Germany, everything an SS soldier says about it holds sway over anything you claim.
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Mis read who was quoting
Anyway
I live in ashkelon a bit north of Gaza
My parents were born here
Both my grandmothers were born here
One side goes further than that
The other was persecuted in Turkey and Yemen just because they were were jewish, the Yemen side my great grandfather fled with his 2 siblings leaving behind the rest of the family
Do you know what the jewish population of Yemen is today?
Palestinians aren't inherently bad people, but when their leaders and education portray jews (not even just Israelis)as a group that needs to be annihilated, then I dont know what to tell you
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Actually one last thing

I know no matter what I post I will most likely not get you to change your mind in the slightest

And that's about it
Sorry I'm tired forgot the not
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blue_composer posted...

You dont have to read the article just watch the video
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-caught-at-gaza-fence-hamas-plans-riots-so-people-wont-revolt/
If I had all day I'd link you to several more but it's nearly midnight here

IDF is known to misleadingly edit videos so I take this with a grain of salt. Even if it is true, I don't really see the relevance though - yes, hamas is a shitty government. I'm not disputing that by condeming the IDF

https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/11/16/telegraph-reporter-reveals-lengths-israel-goes-to-in-effort-to-avoid-harming-palestinian-civilians-in-gaza-airstrikes//

This is a good source. Most of the time people link me to super pro-israel stuff when I ask about this, loI

I don't dispute that there are situations where the IDF takes steps to reduce casualties. There are many other situations where Israel shows a callous disregard for the lives of palestinians. Looking at sources like human rights watch, amnesty international, and UN reports the overall picture I get is one where IDF tactics (e.g. how they go about bombing civilian areas) reduce casualties, but IDF strategy (e.g. their willingness to bomb civilian areas with overwhelming force) rests on an assumption of palestinian inferiority - a willingness to trade any number of palestinian lives for a minute increase in israeli security.

That's not even getting into the other issues with israeli human rights violations in gaza - denying visas and blockading medicine. I'm not sure if you disagree with me on those though

There was controversy over the soldier that killed a neutralized terrorist
There is always controversy about the steps the government chooses to protect or not to protect us
And most importantly there was even backlash and investigations into the video you posted

I agree that there was controversy. As I said before, I don't think that washes the government and its people's hands of guilt.

You dont live here so all you see is one sided reporting

It's true that I don't live here, but I hope I don't only see one-sided reporting. I read a lot of news. Do you have a journalist/newspaper/whatever about israel you recommend?

It might sound like deflecting but if you really cared about Palestinians you should start by taking a look at how they're treated by their own government as well as looking into how they're treated in surrounding Arab countries

The implication that I must be uneducated about the atrocities committed by Hamas because I speak out against israel's atrocities is a bit strange - it really doesn't occur that I might both understand and disapprove of Hamas's actions AND disapprove of responding with violence in kind?
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blue_composer posted...

Mis read who was quoting
Anyway
I live in ashkelon a bit north of Gaza
My parents were born here
Both my grandmothers were born here
One side goes further than that
The other was persecuted in Turkey and Yemen just because they were were jewish, the Yemen side my great grandfather fled with his 2 siblings leaving behind the rest of the family
Do you know what the jewish population of Yemen is today?
Palestinians aren't inherently bad people, but when their leaders and education portray jews (not even just Israelis)as a group that needs to be annihilated, then I dont know what to tell you

not interested in whataboutism. its possible for both sides of a conflict to be wrong
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blue_composer posted...

Actually one last thing

I know no matter what I post I will most likely get you to change your mind in the slightest

And that's about it

it's defintely possible to change my mind - I think before I started talking to you here I underestimated the steps IDF took to reduce casulaties in many situations. If you accept their assumption that these bombings are necessary, their standard procedures take more steps than I thought to reduce deaths
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Hey @blue_composer have you talked about living in isreal before?

After thinking for a bit, I think you may have mentioned it a while ago, but I may be thinking of someone else
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Take everything with a grain of salt
On Facebook I follow all the major israeli news outlets across the spectrum so I can form a better view of what's going on
So ynet, Haaretz, arutz sheva, times of israel, israel hayom (even though it's a heavily biased free newspaper funded by sheldon adelson) and kosher
Btw israel has called for early elections which probably resorted from all the stuff that occurred recently
A ton of journalism is also heavily biased and constantly have to change the titles of articles
You have to see that Hamas still does a lot of things to their own people that make israel look worse
1. When israel took out all Israelis from Gaza they left behind greenhouse(?) infrastructure for them to continue with, and they destroyed it
2. Israel does send to Gaza supplies along with the un, but there are times when Hamas refuses (including medicine and food) and there are times when Hamas will take supplies for building and use them to construct for example the tunnels instead of houses
3. Apart from in their (I cant remember the word but has to do with who they are and their goals) the call for the destruction of jews everywhere and they use this hatred in the education of little kids. There are so many videos of "performance s" put on by the younger kids that have them pretend killing jews and soldiers and encouraging them to be martyrs... I've worked in the israeli school system (but public not private) and I can tell you how much coexistence is promoted (especially because not all schools are 100% Jewish in the regions where my program was held)

And yes it is possible for both sides to have fault but more often than not (especially being a moderate liberal) I only ever see one side getting the majority of the blame and refusing to see that one side is a terrorist group that haven't had elections in so long.

Also the idf is huge
There are so many roles because enlisting is mandatory (unless you're a religious girl or Arab where its optional except maybe druze and the haredim that leech off the taxes and dont contribute at all because they're too busy having kids and learning torah and getting benefits for it because ben gurion thought that they were a small group as a result of the holocaust and they'd remain a small group...-_-)
Which include combat, education within the army, education in the schools, bureaucracy, office jobs, tech jobs, engineering, etc etc
I hope to get into the search and rescue whose most elite squad actually are usually one the first on scene whenever a natural disaster occurs across the world (like tsunamis in east Asia or earthquakes in the west) I most likely wont get there because I'm 25 and female but it's inspirational

because of itgreen dragon posted...

Hey @blue_composer have you talked about living in isreal before?

After thinking for a bit, I think you may have mentioned it a while ago, but I may be thinking of someone else

As far as I know I think I've been the only one
But I have been less frequent here since part way through college
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OniRonin posted...

blue_composer posted...

Actually one last thing

I know no matter what I post I will most likely get you to change your mind in the slightest

And that's about it

it's defintely possible to change my mind - I think before I started talking to you here I underestimated the steps IDF took to reduce casulaties in many situations. If you accept their assumption that these bombings are necessary, their standard procedures take more steps than I thought to reduce deaths

Sometimes they are
But other times things are keep classified and it's infuriating not knowing
Like there was a secret operation in Gaza and the idf had their cover blown but we dont know why they were there and whatever they were doing lead to the rocket fire from Gaza that heavily hit my city
Thankfully for the iron dome most missiles had not hit anything but the area 5 minutes from my apartment by foot was hit, an Arab man that worked in ashkelon was killed among other casuslties
I think this is what is causing the early elections (on top of the problem with the haredi party always taking advantage of the governments bibi sets up because they know they can -___-)
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dioxxys posted...

Insane dog fucker

Well that would make the canine units .... nevermind you guys frighten me too much

Also why am I awakeeeee
Also also this article just came up on my fb and if you read past the biased wording you can see how conflicted the conflict gets just within the world of journalism
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/12/after-massive-investigation-ny-times-concludes-israel-did-not-intentionally-shoot-medic-rouzan-al-najjar/
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And yes it is possible for both sides to have fault but more often than not (especially being a moderate liberal) I only ever see one side getting the majority of the blame and refusing to see that one side is a terrorist group that haven't had elections in so long.

If somebody told me they were going to join Hamas, I would argue with them too. I live in the US, so I don't usually encounter a lot of people who are pro-hamas. It's much more common here for somebody to be labeled as a Hamas supporter for criticizing Israel than for somebody to genuinely support the methods of Hamas. On the other hand, our entire ruling class is rabidly pro-israel, so I often have cause to argue with people who defend the IDF and other israeli policies
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blue_composer posted...

Also also this article just came up on my fb and if you read past the biased wording you can see how conflicted the conflict gets just within the world of journalism
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/12/after-massive-investigation-ny-times-concludes-israel-did-not-intentionally-shoot-medic-rouzan-al-najjar/

Yeah, I think a lot of journalism about israel from the US and the UK uses the topic as a proxy war for or against conservative ideas in our own politics, and it ends up feeling really muddled because of it. Like in the UK now, conservative journalists want to defend everything israel does in order to paint Corbyn as an antisemite for opposing israel's policies.

Sorry if I played a role in keeping you up! It's cool that you're willing to talk about it.
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OniRonin posted...

And yes it is possible for both sides to have fault but more often than not (especially being a moderate liberal) I only ever see one side getting the majority of the blame and refusing to see that one side is a terrorist group that haven't had elections in so long.

If somebody told me they were going to join Hamas, I would argue with them too. I live in the US, so I don't usually encounter a lot of people who are pro-hamas. It's much more common here for somebody to be labeled as a Hamas supporter for criticizing Israel than for somebody to genuinely support the methods of Hamas. On the other hand, our entire ruling class is rabidly pro-israel, so I often have cause to argue with people who defend the IDF and other israeli policies

Idk... during college there was this rise of anti israel groups on campuses across the us which were run by students that either supported Hamas and repeated their rhetoric or refused to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization

On the other other hand the u.s. is becoming more and more "us vs them" in their mentality on *all issues* including israel Palestine (with repubs siding with israel and most Democrats with Palestinians which is infuriating as a Democrat because I wont put israel on a pedestal and refuse to view Palestinians are the completely blameless underdogs) I wonder what will happen when Abbas dies since he's getting pretty old and has had plenty of recent health issues
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Well after I said I was going to sleep my friend called and asked if I wanted to go get dominos
One thing I hate Israelis for is their bad taste in pizza since most restaurants use yellow cheese instead of mozzarella
Dominos uses mozzarella and they have a personal pie for 15 so I have trouble saying no even though I'm lactose sensitive

Did you know a lot of Israelis make homemade pizza/toast (toast here is anything with cheese and toast) with yellow cheese and ketchup? First time I saw it I was really grossed out.... I still am
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blue_composer posted...

Idk... during college there was this rise of anti israel groups on campuses across the us which were run by students that either supported Hamas and repeated their rhetoric or refused to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization

By ruling class I mean people who wield power (i.e. elected office or massive amounts of money) or are in the socioeconomic class that makes them likely to wield power in the future. I don't think looking at college campuses is a good way to get a sense of the overall american public or the rulingclass.

Virtually every elected official supports israel, to the point that it made news that a house CANDIDATE didn't. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/us/politics/democrats-israel-palestinians.html

Among "normal" people, I think most of them have very hazy views of the conflict overall but generally support israel. It is becoming more common to reject israel on the far left, though. For example the DSA vote on joining BDS recently

I thought this was interesting - it would be cool to see something from the last year
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/23/5-facts-about-how-americans-view-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

Did you know a lot of Israelis make homemade pizza/toast (toast here is anything with cheese and toast) with yellow cheese and ketchup? First time I saw it I was really grossed out.... I still am

This does sound gross. I don't eat cheese at all, but if I did I certainly wouldn't eat it like that
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Vocal minority I suppose I dunno it's 4am
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Dont get me started on Israeli ketchup ugh
Thank gd Heinz is a more popular option in the market
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/aazprt/new_and_improved_israeli_newspapers_flowchart/?utm_source=reddit-android

Just came up on my reddit front page
Perfect for your question on getting news
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