Current Events > You know it's hard to sympathize with a lot of Dutch's gang in RDR2 *spoilers*

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Like Sean's death is treated like a tragedy but how many random schmoes did he and Arthur murder during the tobacco field mission alone? A dozen at least?
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true.

it's all about perspective.
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Random doofuses don't have a camera behind them

But I've always felt the same TC.

That's why I play non lethal in every game that lets me
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It's different in RDR1 where John is forced into the situation, here everyone is just a terrible person.
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"yeah guys, let's go into town and peep game, run game and dip out the quick route."

"why folk want us dead?"
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They're a bunch of murderers and robbers. I don't think you're supposed to sympathize with them. >_>
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I played a good guy for the most part, so a lot of the terrible shit they did during story missions felt pretty jarring
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How is it treated like a tragedy?

Most don't even register it because of Jack.

Arthur is sad, sure. But he likes the guy. If you can't understand someone being sad his friend died I really don't know what to tell you.
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eston posted...

I played a good guy for the most part, so a lot of the terrible shit they did during story missions felt pretty jarring

It was worse in RDR1 to be honest.
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eston posted...

I played a good guy for the most part, so a lot of the terrible shit they did during story missions felt pretty jarring

I tried to do the same, but some missions make it very hard to feel honorable.

Like a lot of the home robbery missions or debt collecting missions make Arthur a straight up dick. Like the one with the woman and her son. It was the husband who owed the debt, but he died of illness so the debt fell to her and when Arthur shakes them down, the son gives him the stinkeye (understandable) and Arthur tells him (paraphrased) "you best show respect boah or your mama will be mourning a second family member" Like slow down, man.

tl;dr: if you try to play the game as an honorable outlaw, you're gonna have a bad time
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Ivynn posted...

eston posted...

I played a good guy for the most part, so a lot of the terrible shit they did during story missions felt pretty jarring

I tried to do the same, but some missions make it very hard to feel honorable.

Like a lot of the home robbery missions or debt collecting missions make Arthur a straight up dick. Like the one with the woman and her son. It was the husband who owed the debt, but he died of illness so the debt fell to her and when Arthur shakes them down, the son gives him the stinkeye (understandable) and Arthur tells him (paraphrased) "you best show respect boah or your mama will be mourning a second family member" Like slow down, man.

tl;dr: if you try to play the game as an honorable outlaw, you're gonna have a bad time

I kind of figured it'd be weird playing a good guy in this one. That line is what you'd expect to hear from villains in western movies/shows

Ivynn posted...

eston posted...

I played a good guy for the most part, so a lot of the terrible shit they did during story missions felt pretty jarring

I tried to do the same, but some missions make it very hard to feel honorable.

Like a lot of the home robbery missions or debt collecting missions make Arthur a straight up dick. Like the one with the woman and her son. It was the husband who owed the debt, but he died of illness so the debt fell to her and when Arthur shakes them down, the son gives him the stinkeye (understandable) and Arthur tells him (paraphrased) "you best show respect boah or your mama will be mourning a second family member" Like slow down, man.

tl;dr: if you try to play the game as an honorable outlaw, you're gonna have a bad time

Yeah I did that recently and it's pretty weird to have Arthur going from tipping his hat at passerby to being a huge dick to a widow and her son
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debt collecting missions make Arthur a straight up dick. Like the one with the woman and her son. It was the husband who owed the debt, but he died of illness so the debt fell to her and when Arthur shakes them down, the son gives him the stinkeye (understandable) and Arthur tells him (paraphrased) "you best show respect boah or your mama will be mourning a second family member" Like slow down, man.

Honestly I loved the way that whole arc played out. At the beginning of the game Arthur is a dick. He does those missions because he doesn't care about those people, he just cares about the money. He gets tuberculosis because of the specific one you mentioned and it makes him question his whole life. It's one of the reasons he changes and seeks redemption. I don't know if you've finished that whole quest line yet, but he does try to make it up to the wife and son and it's a really well done bit of story.

I also thought it was interesting that it turned out the Pinkertons picked up Strauss and he didn't say a word. He died in custody, never gave anyone up even after what Arthur did to him.
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I beat every mission in that game and a lot of the context is pretty silly. But its rockstars fantasy, not ours. So.
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Its like you guys dont understand how the redemption arch works
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eston posted...

I don't know if you've finished that whole quest line yet, but he does try to make it up to the wife and son and it's a really well done bit of story.

Damn it, was this a stranger mission? I was so intrigued by the story that I pretty much skipped all of them in the last couple of chapters.
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That is what happens when you don't have some God Damn Faith!
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littlebro07 posted...

eston posted...

I don't know if you've finished that whole quest line yet, but he does try to make it up to the wife and son and it's a really well done bit of story.

Damn it, was this a stranger mission? I was so intrigued by the story that I pretty much skipped all of them in the last couple of chapters.

Yes, although it's foreshadowed in a story mission when he runs into her in Annesberg.

You also need at least neutral honor I think
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

littlebro07 posted...

eston posted...

I don't know if you've finished that whole quest line yet, but he does try to make it up to the wife and son and it's a really well done bit of story.

Damn it, was this a stranger mission? I was so intrigued by the story that I pretty much skipped all of them in the last couple of chapters.

Yes, although it's foreshadowed in a story mission when he runs into her in Annesberg.

You also need at least neutral honor I think

Yeah I ran into her so I figured it would come up in a future story mission. My honor bar was always at about 3/4 from chapter 4 onward
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Ivynn posted...

eston posted...
tl;dr: if you try to play the game as an honorable outlaw, you're gonna have a bad time

Touching on that mission you mentioned, the quote is along the lines of Once your mother is finished mourning your father, Ill keep her in black on your behalf.

Another memorable quote (paraphrased) after Arthur saves someone that saw him in Blackwater is But I aint a good man. I was in Blackwater. I killed people. Maybe I should have killed you. Should I have killed you?

Theres really no being a good guy in rdr2 until the last handful of missions.
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It's crazy how many times you can ride through the same areas you've been to a million times before and still run into new strangers you haven't met yet. It's the reason I haven't used fast travel at all. I've clocked like 270 hours and am in the post-game, still finding new stuff to do
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I want some Sadie Adler DLC.
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Crimson_Angel posted...

Like Sean's death is treated like a tragedy but how many random schmoes did he and Arthur murder during the tobacco field mission alone? A dozen at least?

A lot of the people killed by Dutch's gang (outside of a few exceptions) were either corrupt or just plain evil.
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BiggLaw posted...

I want some Sadie Adler DLC.

Itd have been cool if the postgame was playing as her instead of John.
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BiggLaw posted...

I want some Sadie Adler DLC.

Me too. Sadie ended up being an awesome character. I loved that she started out as a damsel in distress, stayed quietly in the background for most of the story, then emerged as a total badass by the end. She was amazing in the epilogue
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You're not supposed to sympathise with the gang. At best you're supposed to maybe sympathise with Arthur and John because they were manipulated by Dutch but even then it's more like you are sad because they could have been decent but chose not too.
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Crimson_Angel posted...

Like Sean's death is treated like a tragedy but how many random schmoes did he and Arthur murder during the tobacco field mission alone? A dozen at least?

Why are you fretting over ex confederate racists?
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I want to play as Charles
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Charles DLC would be like Fight Club, lolololol. would definitely buy.
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Mormaurd posted...

Ivynn posted...

eston posted...
tl;dr: if you try to play the game as an honorable outlaw, you're gonna have a bad time

Touching on that mission you mentioned, the quote is along the lines of Once your mother is finished mourning your father, Ill keep her in black on your behalf.

Another memorable quote (paraphrased) after Arthur saves someone that saw him in Blackwater is But I aint a good man. I was in Blackwater. I killed people. Maybe I should have killed you. Should I have killed you?

Theres really no being a good guy in rdr2 until the last handful of missions.

Yeah, I remember that one. He says that after you spare him. I actually think that quote was badass. Unlike the widow's son one which was just mean lol

Anyway, I need to stop reading this topic because I actually haven't finished the game yet and some posts are starting to sound spoiler-y. >_> (yeah, I know the topic title has a spoiler warning, I like live dangerously so what)
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I would recommend keeping a save from before the last stretch of missions
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eston posted...

I would recommend keeping a save from before the last stretch of missions

I have 7 or 8 save files lol
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50Blessings posted...

Crimson_Angel posted...

Like Sean's death is treated like a tragedy but how many random schmoes did he and Arthur murder during the tobacco field mission alone? A dozen at least?

Why are you fretting over ex confederate racists?

What about that Sean side activity stagecoach robbery? He's supposed to shoot the coach or ground to scare them. Instead he snipes the driver.
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AlecSkorpio posted...

You're not supposed to sympathise with the gang. At best you're supposed to maybe sympathise with Arthur and John because they were manipulated by Dutch but even then it's more like you are sad because they could have been decent but chose not too.

One of my biggest issues. The gang is sometimes really dumb. Especially Arthur. But I love am still
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Sean is one of the best characters in the game man.

It makes me sad how people play this game without truly appreciating it.
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jumi posted...

What about that Sean side activity stagecoach robbery? He's supposed to shoot the coach or ground to scare them. Instead he snipes the driver.

I don't remember this one at all, and I was trying to do all the side stuff with the gang members.
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jumi posted...

What about that Sean side activity stagecoach robbery? He's supposed to shoot the coach or ground to scare them. Instead he snipes the driver.

Don't they try to kidnap/molest Mary Beth?

I'm not really feeling bad for hired guns working for corrupt bankers tbqh.
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

That is what happens when you don't have some God Damn Faith!

we need money first!
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They're not good people, that's for sure,but at least there's some depth to some of them... sometimes
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eston posted...

BiggLaw posted...

I want some Sadie Adler DLC.

Me too. Sadie ended up being an awesome character. I loved that she started out as a damsel in distress, stayed quietly in the background for most of the story, then emerged as a total badass by the end. She was amazing in the epilogue

Hell yeah. DLC of her and Charles would be awesome.

Or an alternate reality DLC where YNNEL doesn't get got
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