Current Events > NakeyJakey posts video BTFO'ing Rockstar

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he's right.rockstar mission design been trash for p much ever
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>37 minutes
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Who?
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AlecSkorpio posted...

Who?

Guy that rambles about really obvious things and hates anime

Let me guess, another dude with no actual game design education telling me how awful newest popular game is for having a gameplay loop.
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Jakey is so hot right now. Good to see because his videos are quality.
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I'm about a third through, he makes some great points
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lol Im not watching this

what a clown
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

lol Im not watching this

what a clown

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Kolibri X posted...

Jakey is so hot right now. Good to see because his videos are quality.

yeah he's our boy

who were all those invisible posts btw for posts 2 and 7-8
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Kuudere_Loli posted...

hates anime

So a sensible person?
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Finally finished.

I mean I can see how the weapon breaking system in BOTW can get annoying, but it doesn't ruin the game (although BOTW is definitely overrated by critics).

This guy honestly makes RDR2 seem like a terrible game. Like not even worth your time. And often it's not even because of the game itself, it's because of MANY stupid choices in direction

He's so right about the constant random switch from a realistic open world to an unrealistic linear scripted game being terrible for the gamer.
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another invisible post

how peculiar
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Yeah, I watched a handful of his videos in the past and I'm not a fan. I don't get his fucking exercise ball gimmick, if this is the same guy I'm thinking about. Like what the fuck
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MrMallard posted...

Yeah, I watched a handful of his videos in the past and I'm not a fan. I don't get his fucking exercise ball gimmick, if this is the same guy I'm thinking about. Like what the fuck

I mean it's weird but why does it matter?
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I mean I can see how the weapon breaking system in BOTW can get annoying, but it doesn't ruin the game (although BOTW is definitely overrated by critics).

If he trashes the BOTW system he's a smart man. It's the laziest and most insulting game design ever. Still not watching tho
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Kid needs to go back to Fortnite.

rikasa posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

I mean I can see how the weapon breaking system in BOTW can get annoying, but it doesn't ruin the game (although BOTW is definitely overrated by critics).

If he trashes the BOTW system he's a smart man. It's the laziest and most insulting game design ever. Still not watching tho

He actually praises BOTW >_>

He doesn't talk about the weapon system at all though, just about its open world.
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if you're looking for someone who's more knowledgeable about game design and mechanics, here's mark brown's take on a lot of similar subjects to the ones in the video. actually a lot of jakey's points are almost verbatim what mark says. hmmmmm

https://www.patreon.com/posts/22570692

notable

Like most Rockstar games, these missions are extremely restrictive in what youre allowed to do. The game constantly tells you what to do, with a pop up command at the bottom of the screen, and if you dont follow this script to the letter youll be hit with a Failed screen.

Ive failed missions for trying to flank around the bad guys - thats counted as leaving my crew behind. Ive failed for trying to take enemies out using stealth, instead of loud gunfire. Ive failed for trying to solve problems in creative ways. Ive failed because I broke the law - never mind that Im playing as an outlaw, and the game has a whole police response system built in.

The missions can also remove mechanics arbitrarily. In one, I wasnt allowed to take my gun off my horse. In another, I wasnt allowed to whistle for my horse so I had to chase on foot. And the bandit mask system works randomly during missions - most of the time youll still get a huge price on your head and have to use most of your earnings from that mission to pay off your bounty.

Unfortunately, most of the missions are also simply quite dull. Theres so much riding towards waypoints. Waiting for characters to do stuff. Listening to people go on and on. Bad insta-fail stealth missions. Endless cover-based shootouts that feel like theyre from the previous generation. Following characters as they walk slowly through the woods.

There are some standouts here and there, which I wont spoil. And the musical choices frequently elevate things. But most are completely forgettable. And in a world of games like The Witcher 3, where almost every quest is memorable, thats a disappointment.

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Rockstar has always been quite restrictive in ways you can approach their mission objectives, seems like RDR2 is no exception. and that's a real shame coming hot off the heels of some real gems in recent years, like MGSV, BotW, and Witcher 3
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Let me guess, another dude with no actual game design education telling me how awful newest popular game is for having a gameplay loop.

Hes no Cleanprince or Downward Thrust, all of his videos are quality
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Jakey is 100% right.
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tbh, I don't mind Rockstar's approach, where missions are more cinematic, and the side content is more freeform.

they want to tell their story in a specific way while allowing players to do what they want outside of that.

I can see how people might not like that dichotomy, but I appreciate it.

that was the only part of his video that I watched, but not because I don't feel his arguments don't have merit, but because I don't like watching longer YouTube videos.

I assume that the next part was about the bounty system, which could be annoying.
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I didn't make it through the whole thing but he doesn't even have his facts right. The law system in RDR2 is not the same as GTAV. RDR2 police don't automatically know where you are out in the field or magically know when you kill someone. It has witness/inspecting/diffuse/etc. aspects. This is obvious stuff so what is he on about.
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Could he possibly use more graphics and sound effects?
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@Ryuko_Chan posted...

lol Im not watching this

what a clown

why is he a clown?
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@ledbowman posted...

I didn't make it through the whole thing but he doesn't even have his facts right. The law system in RDR2 is not the same as GTAV. RDR2 police don't automatically know where you are out in the field or magically know when you kill someone. It has witness/inspecting/diffuse/etc. aspects. This is obvious stuff so what is he on about.

He literally talks about this. What are you on about?
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boxington posted...

tbh, I don't mind Rockstar's approach, where missions are more cinematic, and the side content is more freeform.

they want to tell their story in a specific way while allowing players to do what they want outside of that.

I can see how people might not like that dichotomy, but I appreciate it.

that was the only part of his video that I watched, but not because I don't feel his arguments don't have merit, but because I don't like watching longer YouTube videos.

I assume that the next part was about the bounty system, which could be annoying.

I think the issue is when as a player you have scenarios where you can think up your own tactics that don't contradict or ruin the story but you're just outright not allowed.

In a sense the game is more designed like you're an actor who has to go through the right scenes in the right order. You are not encouraged to experiment and you don't have any real agency over your actions. The shoot out in Valentine is a prime example. I didn't follow Dutch out the door so I failed. There's a lot of stuff like that.

The mission where you steal the oil carriage is one of the sole exceptions. So they can do it.
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This is literally how open world Rockstar games have been for 17 years.

But now they have to be The Witcher or Hitman or something because reasons
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hockeybub89 posted...

This is literally how open world Rockstar games have been for 17 years.

But now they have to be The Witcher or Hitman or something because reasons

People's expectations change as they realize we can and have done better
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Darmik posted...

boxington posted...

tbh, I don't mind Rockstar's approach, where missions are more cinematic, and the side content is more freeform.

they want to tell their story in a specific way while allowing players to do what they want outside of that.

I can see how people might not like that dichotomy, but I appreciate it.

that was the only part of his video that I watched, but not because I don't feel his arguments don't have merit, but because I don't like watching longer YouTube videos.

I assume that the next part was about the bounty system, which could be annoying.

I think the issue is when as a player you have scenarios where you can think up your own tactics that don't contradict or ruin the story but you're just outright not allowed.

In a sense the game is more designed like you're an actor who has to go through the right scenes in the right order. You are not encouraged to experiment and you don't have any real agency over your actions. The shoot out in Valentine is a prime example. I didn't follow Dutch out the door so I failed. There's a lot of stuff like that.

The mission where you steal the oil carriage is one of the sole exceptions. So they can do it.

that's what I mean in R* wanting to tell their stories in their own way. I think that the actor analogy is apt - in story missions, things are deliberately structured, they want their set pieces, and so on.

I think that the guy in the video said something about how the story is like Uncharted, while the side-content is like Breath of the Wild, or something like that.

a compromise would be cool, but the way things are are cool, too, for me.
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...

@ledbowman posted...

I didn't make it through the whole thing but he doesn't even have his facts right. The law system in RDR2 is not the same as GTAV. RDR2 police don't automatically know where you are out in the field or magically know when you kill someone. It has witness/inspecting/diffuse/etc. aspects. This is obvious stuff so what is he on about.

He literally talks about this. What are you on about?

Ok I'll take your word for it but in one part he also explicitly complains that the law system is basically the same as GTAV as a way to say they haven't advanced that area.
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@EpicMickeyDrew posted...

@Ryuko_Chan posted...

lol Im not watching this

what a clown

why is he a clown?

because the thumbnail is him humping a bouncy ball. but more importantly, he made a 37 long minute video with no summary or transcript.
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

@EpicMickeyDrew posted...

@Ryuko_Chan posted...

lol Im not watching this

what a clown

why is he a clown?

because the thumbnail is him humping a bouncy ball. but more importantly, he made a 37 long minute video with no summary or transcript.

just what i'd expect from an anime user
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He didn't btfo out of anything, he was super nice and respectful in the video and made it clear that he likes the game, just doesn't enjoy the constraints of the story missions. I always kind of wrote this guy off but this video really won me over
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

@EpicMickeyDrew posted...

@Ryuko_Chan posted...

lol Im not watching this

what a clown

why is he a clown?

because the thumbnail is him humping a bouncy ball. but more importantly, he made a 37 long minute video with no summary or transcript.

I think he said something about being inspired by another YouTuber, and the bouncy ball is just to help differentiate himself so it doesn't look like he's straight ripping the dude off
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His views on Witcher 3 are enough to know you should never take him seriously
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Jake and Mark Brown references in this topic. Solid stuff.
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ZombiePelican posted...

His views on Witcher 3 are enough to know you should never take him seriously

and you being zombiepelican is enough for me to know to never take you seriously
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Delirious_Beard posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

His views on Witcher 3 are enough to know you should never take him seriously

and you being zombiepelican is enough for me to know to never take you seriously

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edededdy posted...

Delirious_Beard posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

His views on Witcher 3 are enough to know you should never take him seriously

and you being zombiepelican is enough for me to know to never take you seriously

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The complaint that set piece storyline missions are too restrictive is so baffling to me.

Imagine if people made this complaint about Uncharted or something.

On top of that, this is actually the logical progression of their design. People seem to forget that the only reason GTA III and Vice City offered so much "freedom" is because everything was bare bones and janky as fuck.

Nobody understands just how fucking hard it is to program the things they are talking about, which is why I always laugh at these kids and journalists who have no actual experience with design or coding going on and on about what game makers should do.
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maybe rockstar shouldn't market their games as "open-world"
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