Current Events > Johnson&Johnson knew for decades that asbestos had tainted its baby powder

Topic List	Page List: 1, 2
Antifar 12/14/18 11:26:12 AM #1:	https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/johnsonandjohnson-cancer/ ... J&J has been compelled to share thousands of pages of company memos, internal reports and other confidential documents with lawyers for some of the 11,700 plaintiffs now claiming that the companys talc caused their cancers including thousands of women with ovarian cancer. A Reuters examination of many of those documents, as well as deposition and trial testimony, shows that from at least 1971 to the early 2000s, the companys raw talc and finished powders sometimes tested positive for small amounts of asbestos, and that company executives, mine managers, scientists, doctors and lawyers fretted over the problem and how to address it while failing to disclose it to regulators or the public. The documents also depict successful efforts to influence U.S. regulators plans to limit asbestos in cosmetic talc products and scientific research on the health effects of talc. A small portion of the documents have been produced at trial and cited in media reports. Many were shielded from public view by court orders that allowed J&J to turn over thousands of documents it designated as confidential. Much of their contents is reported here for the first time. The earliest mentions of tainted J&J talc that Reuters found come from 1957 and 1958 reports by a consulting lab. They describe contaminants in talc from J&Js Italian supplier as fibrous and acicular, or needle-like, tremolite. Thats one of the six minerals that in their naturally occurring fibrous form are classified as asbestos. At various times from then into the early 2000s, reports by scientists at J&J, outside labs and J&Js supplier yielded similar findings. The reports identify contaminants in talc and finished powder products as asbestos or describe them in terms typically applied to asbestos, such as fiberform and rods. In 1976, as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was weighing limits on asbestos in cosmetic talc products, J&J assured the regulator that no asbestos was detected in any sample of talc produced between December 1972 and October 1973. It didnt tell the agency that at least three tests by three different labs from 1972 to 1975 had found asbestos in its talc in one case at levels reported as rather high. Most internal J&J asbestos test reports Reuters reviewed do not find asbestos. However, while J&Js testing methods improved over time, they have always had limitations that allow trace contaminants to go undetected and only a tiny fraction of the companys talc is tested. The World Health Organization and other authorities recognize no safe level of exposure to asbestos. While most people exposed never develop cancer, for some, even small amounts of asbestos are enough to trigger the disease years later. Just how small hasnt been established. Many plaintiffs allege that the amounts they inhaled when they dusted themselves with tainted talcum powder were enough. The evidence of what J&J knew has surfaced after people who suspected that talc caused their cancers hired lawyers experienced in the decades-long deluge of litigation involving workers exposed to asbestos. Some of the lawyers knew from those earlier cases that talc producers tested for asbestos, and they began demanding J&Js testing documentation. What J&J produced in response to those demands has allowed plaintiffs lawyers to refine their argument: The culprit wasnt necessarily talc itself, but also asbestos in the talc. That assertion, backed by decades of solid science showing that asbestos causes mesothelioma and is associated with ovarian and other cancers, has had mixed success in court. In two cases earlier this year in New Jersey and California juries awarded big sums to plaintiffs who, like Coker, blamed asbestos-tainted J&J talc products for their mesothelioma. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:914114047] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/johnsonandjohnson-cancer/ <quote>... J&J has been compelled to share thousands of pages of company memos, internal reports and other confidential documents with lawyers for some of the 11,700 plaintiffs now claiming that the companys talc caused their cancers including thousands of women with ovarian cancer. A Reuters examination of many of those documents, as well as deposition and trial testimony, shows that from at least 1971 to the early 2000s, the companys raw talc and finished powders sometimes tested positive for small amounts of asbestos, and that company executives, mine managers, scientists, doctors and lawyers fretted over the problem and how to address it while failing to disclose it to regulators or the public. The documents also depict successful efforts to influence U.S. regulators plans to limit asbestos in cosmetic talc products and scientific research on the health effects of talc. A small portion of the documents have been produced at trial and cited in media reports. Many were shielded from public view by court orders that allowed J&J to turn over thousands of documents it designated as confidential. Much of their contents is reported here for the first time. The earliest mentions of tainted J&J talc that Reuters found come from 1957 and 1958 reports by a consulting lab. They describe contaminants in talc from J&Js Italian supplier as fibrous and acicular, or needle-like, tremolite. Thats one of the six minerals that in their naturally occurring fibrous form are classified as asbestos. At various times from then into the early 2000s, reports by scientists at J&J, outside labs and J&Js supplier yielded similar findings. The reports identify contaminants in talc and finished powder products as asbestos or describe them in terms typically applied to asbestos, such as fiberform and rods. In 1976, as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was weighing limits on asbestos in cosmetic talc products, J&J assured the regulator that no asbestos was detected in any sample of talc produced between December 1972 and October 1973. It didnt tell the agency that at least three tests by three different labs from 1972 to 1975 had found asbestos in its talc in one case at levels reported as rather high. Most internal J&J asbestos test reports Reuters reviewed do not find asbestos. However, while J&Js testing methods improved over time, they have always had limitations that allow trace contaminants to go undetected and only a tiny fraction of the companys talc is tested. The World Health Organization and other authorities recognize no safe level of exposure to asbestos. While most people exposed never develop cancer, for some, even small amounts of asbestos are enough to trigger the disease years later. Just how small hasnt been established. Many plaintiffs allege that the amounts they inhaled when they dusted themselves with tainted talcum powder were enough. The evidence of what J&J knew has surfaced after people who suspected that talc caused their cancers hired lawyers experienced in the decades-long deluge of litigation involving workers exposed to asbestos. Some of the lawyers knew from those earlier cases that talc producers tested for asbestos, and they began demanding J&Js testing documentation. What J&J produced in response to those demands has allowed plaintiffs lawyers to refine their argument: The culprit wasnt necessarily talc itself, but also asbestos in the talc. That assertion, backed by decades of solid science showing that asbestos causes mesothelioma and is associated with ovarian and other cancers, has had mixed success in court. In two cases earlier this year in New Jersey and California juries awarded big sums to plaintiffs who, like Coker, blamed asbestos-tainted J&J talc products for their mesothelioma.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 12/14/18 11:28:25 AM #2:	"Johnson & Johnson, a family (destroying) company" <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:914114150] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>"Johnson & Johnson, a family (destroying) company"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StucklnMyPants 12/14/18 11:30:26 AM #3:	Death penalty. --- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. <cite>StucklnMyPants posted [p:914114249] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Death penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 12/14/18 11:30:44 AM #4:	Man this is... Really disgusting. --- The best posts, believe me. <cite>Caution999 posted [p:914114267] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Man this is... Really disgusting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 12/14/18 11:31:41 AM #5:	Caution999 posted... Man this is... Really disgusting. Just a reminder though that Trump approves of this. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:914114314] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Man this is... Really disgusting.</quote> Just a reminder though that Trump approves of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 12/14/18 11:31:51 AM #6:	J&J have been around for a looong time, and has quite a tainted history that goes back just as far. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:914114329] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>J&J have been around for a looong time, and has quite a tainted history that goes back just as far.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 12/14/18 11:31:54 AM #7:	Sadly if anything happens they'll only have to pay a small fine that's the equivalent of change found under some couch cushions to them. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:914114331] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Sadly if anything happens they'll only have to pay a small fine that's the equivalent of change found under some couch cushions to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Lyonidias 12/14/18 11:32:32 AM #8:	Wow thats horrible --- she's a killer queen~ Lyonidiias.sarahah.com <cite>_Lyonidias posted [p:914114369] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Wow thats horrible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SchoolForAnts 12/14/18 11:32:43 AM #9:	Guys, corporations are people! That is why they can contribute to political campaigns and deny you health care because of their religious views! So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then? <cite>SchoolForAnts posted [p:914114372] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Guys, corporations are people! That is why they can contribute to political campaigns and deny you health care because of their religious views! So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 12/14/18 11:33:58 AM #10:	disgusting --- I use Gameraven and you should too. http://error1355.com/ce/teepan95.html <cite>teepan95 posted [p:914114434] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>disgusting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/14/18 11:34:21 AM #11:	SchoolForAnts posted... So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then? "Corporate death penalty" isn't too bad an idea, actually. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914114454] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then?</quote> "Corporate death penalty" isn't too bad an idea, actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/14/18 11:38:20 AM #12:	Need a billion dollar class action suit. Many of you reading this might have been exposed by your mom using this when you were a baby. Or does it effect babies? Ofc tons of women are effected. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914114646] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Need a billion dollar class action suit. Many of you reading this might have been exposed by your mom using this when you were a baby. Or does it effect babies? Ofc tons of women are effected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
a-c-a-b 12/14/18 11:41:04 AM #13:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... J&J have been around for a looong time, and has quite a tainted history that goes back just as far. This --- Save for your doomed future <cite>a-c-a-b posted [p:914114761] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote>J&J have been around for a looong time, and has quite a tainted history that goes back just as far.</quote> This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 11:42:00 AM #14:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77301499 --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914114811] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77301499</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/14/18 11:42:36 AM #15:	SchoolForAnts posted... Guys, corporations are people! That is why they can contribute to political campaigns and deny you health care because of their religious views! So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then? yeah I mean I understand the rationale for saying corporations are people but it seems to me that should probably have implications for how limited their liability is --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:914114840] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>Guys, corporations are people! That is why they can contribute to political campaigns and deny you health care because of their religious views! So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then?</quote> yeah I mean I understand the rationale for saying corporations are people but it seems to me that should probably have implications for how limited their liability is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 11:42:51 AM #16:	darkphoenix181 posted... Need a billion dollar class action suit. Many of you reading this might have been exposed by your mom using this when you were a baby. They quietly added a corn starch version in 1980 so maybe not everyone. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914114848] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>Need a billion dollar class action suit. Many of you reading this might have been exposed by your mom using this when you were a baby.</quote> They quietly added a corn starch version in 1980 so maybe not everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#17	Post #17 was unavailable or deleted.
Uncle Choad 12/14/18 11:44:02 AM #18:	P4wn4g3 posted... Caution999 posted... Man this is... Really disgusting. Just a reminder though that Trump approves of this. lol --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:914114901] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Man this is... Really disgusting.</quote> Just a reminder though that Trump approves of this.</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/14/18 11:44:08 AM #19:	StucklnMyPants posted... Death penalty. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:914114904] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote>Death penalty.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 12/14/18 11:44:24 AM #20:	@FLUFFYGERM Can we attribute these deaths to capitalism? <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:914114913] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>@FLUFFYGERM Can we attribute these deaths to capitalism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/14/18 11:44:51 AM #21:	Uncle Choad posted... P4wn4g3 posted... Caution999 posted... Man this is... Really disgusting. Just a reminder though that Trump approves of this. lol Hes not wrong --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:914114931] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Man this is... Really disgusting.</quote> Just a reminder though that Trump approves of this.</quote> lol</quote> Hes not wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/14/18 11:45:04 AM #22:	Run them to the ground Let other companies look at their corpse as a warning That's how it should work, but we know that's not going to happen --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:914114942] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Run them to the ground Let other companies look at their corpse as a warning That's how it should work, but we know that's not going to happen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/14/18 11:45:24 AM #23:	What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something? --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:914114961] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/14/18 11:46:37 AM #24:	Smashingpmkns posted... What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something? Talc itself is a rock, as is asbestos, and rocks tend to be intermingled in the earth's crust. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914115021] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something?</quote> Talc itself is a rock, as is asbestos, and rocks tend to be intermingled in the earth's crust.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/14/18 11:47:50 AM #25:	Questionmarktarius posted... Smashingpmkns posted... What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something? Talc itself is a rock, as is asbestos, and rocks tend to be intermingled in the earth's crust. Ahh okay. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:914115093] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something?</quote> Talc itself is a rock, as is asbestos, and rocks tend to be intermingled in the earth's crust.</quote> Ahh okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 11:48:02 AM #26:	Smashingpmkns posted... What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something? some talc compounds were mixed with asbestos. I guess it was just too expensive to filter it out so just let everyone die instead while claiming that talc itself isn't harmful. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914115101] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>What's the point in having asbestos in talcum powder anyways? Like was there a benefit or was it some sort of by product of something?</quote> some talc compounds were mixed with asbestos. I guess it was just too expensive to filter it out so just let everyone die instead while claiming that talc itself isn't harmful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonStar 12/14/18 11:48:40 AM #27:	Disgusting. And now some financial analysts are saying their $40B drop in market cap is excessive...like seriously? They're doing far more damage to their consumers. <cite>CommonStar posted [p:914115129] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Disgusting. And now some financial analysts are saying their $40B drop in market cap is excessive...like seriously? They're doing far more damage to their consumers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 11:49:30 AM #28:	CommonStar posted... Disgusting. And now some financial analysts are saying their $40B drop in market cap is excessive...like seriously? They're doing far more damage to their consumers. $40B probably doesn't even cover the money spent on treating the cancer. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914115161] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote>Disgusting. And now some financial analysts are saying their $40B drop in market cap is excessive...like seriously? They're doing far more damage to their consumers.</quote> $40B probably doesn't even cover the money spent on treating the cancer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 12/14/18 11:51:05 AM #29:	Questionmarktarius posted... Talc itself is a rock wrong. Talc is a mineral. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:914115249] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Talc itself is a rock</quote> wrong. Talc is a mineral.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 11:51:55 AM #30:	P4wn4g3 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Talc itself is a rock wrong. Talc is a mineral. Jesus Christ Marie --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914115296] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Talc itself is a rock</quote> wrong. Talc is a mineral.</quote> Jesus Christ Marie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 12/14/18 11:54:18 AM #31:	J&J has a long history of evil. They will get away with this by holding workers and lawmakers hostage for jobs. In a functioning system, someone would go to federal ass prison for this if we don't wanna put workers out of work. Companies simply view things like this as a business expense and something to hide because of the lack of consequences for doing so --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:914115405] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>J&J has a long history of evil. They will get away with this by holding workers and lawmakers hostage for jobs. In a functioning system, someone would go to federal ass prison for this if we don't wanna put workers out of work. Companies simply view things like this as a business expense and something to hide because of the lack of consequences for doing so</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/14/18 11:54:19 AM #32:	They should be ordered to give $20 to every American. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914115407] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>They should be ordered to give $20 to every American.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/14/18 11:54:55 AM #33:	TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. They should be paying A LOT of money (like the most ever paid) in a class-action lawsuit and paying the medical bills for anyone whose cancer is attributed to their products. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:914115432] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. They should be paying A LOT of money (like the most ever paid) in a class-action lawsuit and paying the medical bills for anyone whose cancer is attributed to their products.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/14/18 11:55:04 AM #34:	the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:914115441] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 12/14/18 11:56:35 AM #35:	Tyranthraxus posted... P4wn4g3 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Talc itself is a rock wrong. Talc is a mineral. Jesus Christ Marie It's an important distinction when saying that mineral A mixes with mineral B, because if they are literally just grinding down rocks and throwing them into baby powder there is probably shit and uranium in there too. If they are actually identifying minerals then the asbestos is on purpose. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:914115527] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Talc itself is a rock</quote> wrong. Talc is a mineral.</quote> Jesus Christ Marie</quote> It's an important distinction when saying that mineral A mixes with mineral B, because if they are literally just grinding down rocks and throwing them into baby powder there is probably shit and uranium in there too. If they are actually identifying minerals then the asbestos is on purpose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 12/14/18 11:57:00 AM #36:	spudger posted... the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em Only way it will ever happen is if there is a french revolution and the general populace literally goes and publicly executes these types --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade https://imgur.com/MYYEIx5 https://imgur.com/WGE12ef <cite>solosnake posted [p:914115543] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em</quote> Only way it will ever happen is if there is a french revolution and the general populace literally goes and publicly executes these types</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/14/18 11:57:24 AM #37:	solosnake posted... spudger posted... the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em Only way it will ever happen is if there is a french revolution and the general populace literally goes and publicly executes these types yeah, its sad. gov't has no balls. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:914115568] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>solosnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em</quote> Only way it will ever happen is if there is a french revolution and the general populace literally goes and publicly executes these types</quote> yeah, its sad. gov't has no balls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 12/14/18 11:57:38 AM #38:	My immediate thought was something like from the 50s to the 70s. But from the 70s to the 00s, jfc --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:914115584] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>My immediate thought was something like from the 50s to the 70s. But from the 70s to the 00s, jfc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/14/18 11:59:11 AM #39:	P4wn4g3 posted... there is probably shit and uranium in there too Go wave a geiger counter over a granite countertop sometime. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914115638] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>there is probably shit and uranium in there too</quote> Go wave a geiger counter over a granite countertop sometime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/14/18 12:00:51 PM #40:	solosnake posted... spudger posted... the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em Only way it will ever happen is if there is a french revolution and the general populace literally goes and publicly executes these types Why would anyone want this? You probably use several Johnson and Johnson products every day. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:914115707] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>solosnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>the fact they knew it was harmful and hid that and even maliciously covered it up and used influence means DEATH PENALTY fry em</quote> Only way it will ever happen is if there is a french revolution and the general populace literally goes and publicly executes these types</quote> Why would anyone want this? You probably use several Johnson and Johnson products every day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/14/18 12:01:07 PM #41:	Damn_Underscore posted... TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew. --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:914115723] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty.</quote> Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DemonBuffet 12/14/18 12:03:07 PM #42:	Well shit. I just asked my mom if she used J&J baby powder on me and she said yes. --- Trololol <cite>DemonBuffet posted [p:914115825] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>Well shit. I just asked my mom if she used J&J baby powder on me and she said yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/14/18 12:04:26 PM #43:	Bloodychess posted... Damn_Underscore posted... TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew. They aren't a danger to society, they just screwed over society to make more money. The only way to punish them that would actually benefit society is financially. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:914115893] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty.</quote> Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew.</quote> They aren't a danger to society, they just screwed over society to make more money. The only way to punish them that would actually benefit society is financially.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DemonBuffet 12/14/18 12:06:11 PM #44:	Bloodychess posted... Damn_Underscore posted... TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew. Plus, knowingly giving consumers the cancer seems pretty criminal. In case you didnt know, we live in a society where people are held accountable for their actions. You may not agree with imprisonment, but punishment is necesary for scumbags of society. --- Trololol <cite>DemonBuffet posted [p:914115983] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty.</quote> Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew.</quote> Plus, knowingly giving consumers the cancer seems pretty criminal. In case you didnt know, we live in a society where people are held accountable for their actions. You may not agree with imprisonment, but punishment is necesary for scumbags of society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 12:06:14 PM #45:	Damn_Underscore posted... Bloodychess posted... Damn_Underscore posted... TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew. They aren't a danger to society, they just screwed over society to make more money. The only way to punish them that would actually benefit society is financially. Nah. I'd argue what we did to Bernie Madoff is adequate punishment despite not benefiting society in anyway aside from the license plates he presses. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914115985] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty.</quote> Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew.</quote> They aren't a danger to society, they just screwed over society to make more money. The only way to punish them that would actually benefit society is financially.</quote> Nah. I'd argue what we did to Bernie Madoff is adequate punishment despite not benefiting society in anyway aside from the license plates he presses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SchoolForAnts 12/14/18 12:06:35 PM #46:	Questionmarktarius posted... SchoolForAnts posted... So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then? "Corporate death penalty" isn't too bad an idea, actually. Youre on to something. Some offenses are some bad that the company should be forced to dissolve. That will put the fear in them <cite>SchoolForAnts posted [p:914116011] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then?</quote> "Corporate death penalty" isn't too bad an idea, actually.</quote> Youre on to something. Some offenses are some bad that the company should be forced to dissolve. That will put the fear in them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/14/18 12:06:50 PM #47:	legendary_zell posted... J&J has a long history of evil. They will get away with this by holding workers and lawmakers hostage for jobs. In a functioning system, someone would go to federal ass prison for this if we don't wanna put workers out of work. Companies simply view things like this as a business expense and something to hide because of the lack of consequences for doing so I agree --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:914116029] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>J&J has a long history of evil. They will get away with this by holding workers and lawmakers hostage for jobs. In a functioning system, someone would go to federal ass prison for this if we don't wanna put workers out of work. Companies simply view things like this as a business expense and something to hide because of the lack of consequences for doing so</quote> I agree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 12:07:34 PM #48:	SchoolForAnts posted... Questionmarktarius posted... SchoolForAnts posted... So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then? "Corporate death penalty" isn't too bad an idea, actually. Youre on to something. Some offenses are some bad that the company should be forced to dissolve. That will put the fear in them That's actually a thing in some states but it's never been invoked. It was brought up in the Equifax debacle. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914116067] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>So... when is this j&j person going to jail for this then?</quote> "Corporate death penalty" isn't too bad an idea, actually.</quote> Youre on to something. Some offenses are some bad that the company should be forced to dissolve. That will put the fear in them</quote> That's actually a thing in some states but it's never been invoked. It was brought up in the Equifax debacle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazygamer21 12/14/18 12:15:27 PM #50:	If there were any justice in this country then all the people directly responsible for covering this up should be sent to federal prison for life, and the company itself should be forcibly closed. Considering how long this has been going on, I can only imagine that most of the executives & managers in the company that knew about this and ignored or covered it up have probably already passed away after living a life of comfort and luxury. --- https://rateyourmusic.com/~peekingpanda <cite>crazygamer21 posted [p:914116479] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote>If there were any justice in this country then all the people directly responsible for covering this up should be sent to federal prison for life, and the company itself should be forcibly closed. Considering how long this has been going on, I can only imagine that most of the executives & managers in the company that knew about this and ignored or covered it up have probably already passed away after living a life of comfort and luxury.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/14/18 12:17:40 PM #51:	Tyranthraxus posted... Damn_Underscore posted... Bloodychess posted... Damn_Underscore posted... TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty. Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew. They aren't a danger to society, they just screwed over society to make more money. The only way to punish them that would actually benefit society is financially. Nah. I'd argue what we did to Bernie Madoff is adequate punishment despite not benefiting society in anyway aside from the license plates he presses. I don't know how much Bernie Madoff is worth now (different websites have different totals and I doubt any of them are accurate) but he should be worth $0 right now. At least going to prison gives him a home... --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:914116591] in Johnson&am... [t:77301622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>TBH it doesn't benefit anyone to end the company or even to send anyone to prison, let alone giving anyone the death penalty.</quote> Why not? It's a big market, someone will fill in the hole. Send the board to prison for all I care, they knew.</quote> They aren't a danger to society, they just screwed over society to make more money. The only way to punish them that would actually benefit society is financially.</quote> Nah. I'd argue what we did to Bernie Madoff is adequate punishment despite not benefiting society in anyway aside from the license plates he presses.</quote> I don't know how much Bernie Madoff is worth now (different websites have different totals and I doubt any of them are accurate) but he should be worth $0 right now. At least going to prison gives him a home...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1, 2

Current Events > Johnson&Johnson knew for decades that asbestos had tainted its baby powder (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Johnson&Johnson knew for decades that asbestos had tainted its baby powder