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Balrog0
12/03/18 2:03:54 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
This is definitely not what I envisioned when I posted this lol


me neither, I'm not even sure what this jontron dude said exactly, what I gathered is that he was agreeing that racism is a new concept but then instead of concluding it's a new thing he concluded it isn't a thing at all

my assumption is that this is sort of an offshoot of the much more common argument you sometimes see about how people didn't have a concept of race before the enlightenment, which is true but just kind of misleading since the previous assumptions about things like race and gender weren't really any less harmful or whatever, they just had different ideas about physical heritability than we do. specifically, they thought that physical stuff was downstream of moral/spiritual stuff, so the fact that you looked like your dad was because you are similar in character to your dad. you still inherited traits but they were seen as less ironclad because the environment was so important, like you've heard of the idea of humors and shit. they literally thought you could change your gender based on stuff like external heat.

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Guide
12/03/18 2:04:31 PM
#53:


Ambience posted...
Guide posted...
And incels don't own femoid, but you're still gonna doubletake when someone you don't think is an incel uses it in earnest.

Literally never heard this term before


Incels don't wanna out themselves too often, but if you ever catch anyone use the term in earnest, that's a red flag. Alizarin crimson.
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rikasa
12/03/18 2:04:43 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Your outrage over being told that it's a bad look is eye-opening.

exactly this but about you
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Balrog0
12/03/18 2:04:45 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
You're the only dramatic one here, Balrog. You can compare two terms without saying they're exactly the same. This is another weird, alt-right tactic you're employing.

If you don't want to appear to be something you're not, don't use dogwhistles like that. Your outrage over being told that it's a bad look is eye-opening.


outrage? I just think you're wrong and the comparison was a bad one.
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_Rinku_
12/03/18 2:05:17 PM
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Esrac posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Esrac posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Balrog0 posted...
... why?

You seemed like a sensible person who didn't use alt-right vocabulary like that.


The alt-right doesn't own that terminology, dude.

They don't own it, but they use it way more frequently than any other group, dude.


That term has been common in political discourse since well before the alt-right had any traction.

You're being a little ridiculous in your attempts to police his language with some weird guilt by association.

It may have been common, but it's been co-opted by a particular movement. If you want to live in ignorance about it, go ahead.

Hairistotle posted...
rinku r u high

Are you?
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HiddenLurker
12/03/18 2:05:34 PM
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APRIL FOO...wait someone actual believes this shit?
Oh and it is December?
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rikasa
12/03/18 2:06:20 PM
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this is what I mean when I say that most people do not understand information.
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The Great Muta 22
12/03/18 2:06:30 PM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
I rewatched the debate with Destiny recently, and while Jon said some stupid shit, he also couldn't back his points up or further explain them.

This leads me to believe that he doesn't actually believe the shit he said, but has watched too much of the fear mongering 'skeptic' vids in youtube and got swept up in their points, successfully fear mongering for them.


A lot of these new aged "online redpilled based intellectuals" do this shit all the time. They spend hours watching videos and opinion pieces about an issue from a side that confirms their biases. They then spit back the same information they "learned" from this as if it's fact, and when pressed for actual information they quickly respond with accusations that the one requesting sources doesn't care about facts and hurl more insults. It's incredibly lazy and goes nowhere productive.

Either that or they just post a YouTube video link to someone else's opinion and feel that it validates whatever opinion they took.
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LordMarshal
12/03/18 2:07:12 PM
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Butthurt people over his stupid comments is getting old....

Who cares?

His last video is doing amazing.
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Guide
12/03/18 2:07:46 PM
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As you can see, a lot of people care. This would be obvious if you read.
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Guide
12/03/18 2:08:54 PM
#64:



That term has been common in political discourse since well before the alt-right had any traction.


I'm calling this, in particular, out.
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LordMarshal
12/03/18 2:09:42 PM
#65:


Guide posted...
As you can see, a lot of people care. This would be obvious if you read.


Well get the hell over it. So petty and sad. Youre only adding that many more millions of views to his last racist video.
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The Great Muta 22
12/03/18 2:09:54 PM
#66:


LordMarshal posted...
Butthurt people over his stupid comments is getting old....

Who cares?

His last video is doing amazing.


Not quite as old as using the phrase "butthurt"
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LordMarshal
12/03/18 2:10:59 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
LordMarshal posted...
Butthurt people over his stupid comments is getting old....

Who cares?

His last video is doing amazing.


Not quite as old as using the phrase "butthurt"


Call it like i see it. Your butthurt that damn old. Hes making a ton of money by the way.
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Esrac
12/03/18 2:11:04 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Balrog0 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Guide posted...
And incels don't own femoid, but you're still gonna doubletake when someone you don't think is an incel uses it in earnest.


except leftists literally call themselves leftists

And there's a big difference between someone self-identifying as a leftist versus someone else calling them a leftist. One is clearly meant to be an insult.

Compare it to the reclamation of "queer."


seems like you're being a bit histrionic here if you're comparing the term leftists to queer imo

You're the only dramatic one here, Balrog. You can compare two terms without saying they're exactly the same. This is another weird, alt-right tactic you're employing.

If you don't want to appear to be something you're not, don't use dogwhistles like that. Your outrage over being told that it's a bad look is eye-opening.

s0nicfan posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
And there's a big difference between someone self-identifying as a leftist versus someone else calling them a leftist. One is clearly meant to be an insult.


Out of curiosity, what word(s) do you think Balrog should have used instead?

Liberal probably would have worked fine. It's not really an alt-right buzzword the way "leftist" or even "SJW" are.


Now you're just being ridiculous.

The terms "leftist" and "SJW" have common usage outside alt-right circles. You're either underestimating the usage of these terms or overestimating how many people who use these terms constitute the alt-right.

Liberal has long been used as an insulting buzzword by conservatives too.
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_Rinku_
12/03/18 2:11:08 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Liberal probably would have worked fine. It's not really an alt-right buzzword the way "leftist" or even "SJW" are.


So you're honestly saying that if he said this instead:
idk what this is about but it is weird to me how much mileage liberals think they can get out of that 'racism is a new concept' thing when all it really says is the incredibly obvious revelation that we only started to understand racism in modern biological terms when we started to get modern biological terms

You wouldn't have gotten on his case?

Not for the reason I did, no. I'd think it was weird since he's more liberal leaning, but it's not nearly the dogwhistle that "leftist" is.

rikasa posted...
exactly this but about you

I'm not the one pitching a fit; that's Balrog. He got told that something looked bad and then cried about it.

Balrog, you normally seem like a reasonable person. I'm just telling you that if you use a word associated with the alt-right, people are going to think you fall in that camp.

Hairistotle posted...
dude how is balrog being outraged or dramatic r u for real??

Hairistotle posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Are you?

nope, stone cold sober. your posts reek of pot-stirring. otherwise ur just a dummy


Literally pitching a fit lmao
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prince_leo
12/03/18 2:11:43 PM
#70:


Guide posted...
Never seen anyone call themselves a leftist, but I wouldn't be surprised if it started to be appropriated, since it's so commonly used nowadays.

it's been a thing for awhile now
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Antifar
12/03/18 2:12:35 PM
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*Troy enters apartment, everything is on fire dot gif*
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_Rinku_
12/03/18 2:13:58 PM
#73:


Esrac posted...
Now you're just being ridiculous.

The terms "leftist" and "SJW" have common usage outside alt-right circles. You're either underestimating the usage of these terms or overestimating how many people who use these terms constitute the alt-right.

Liberal has long been used as an insulting buzzword by conservatives too.

No, you're the one being ridiculous here. I'm not surprised or even disappointed. I just wish people like you would at least pretend to be intellectually honest and realize that context is important.
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Balrog0
12/03/18 2:14:34 PM
#74:


usually when I'm accused of pitching a fit it's at least in something I'm emotionally invested in even if I don't feel like I've pitched a fit, in this case I honestly don't care except that I'm being told I'm pitching a fit

weird feeling
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_Rinku_
12/03/18 2:14:42 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Literally pitching a fit lmao

just saying pitching a fit doesnt make it so tho

You are though, and so did Balrog. It's surprising for him though.
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s0nicfan
12/03/18 2:15:19 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
No, you're the one being ridiculous here. I'm not surprised or even disappointed. I just wish people like you would at least pretend to be intellectually honest and realize that context is important.


Did you apply context in considering Balrog's posting history before calling him out for using a word that implies (according to you) he isn't a sensible person?
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Guide
12/03/18 2:15:27 PM
#79:


LordMarshal posted...
Guide posted...
As you can see, a lot of people care. This would be obvious if you read.


Well get the hell over it. So petty and sad. Youre only adding that many more millions of views to his last racist video.


I forget, what's it called when you care about other people caring? Stupid?
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MC_BatCommander
12/03/18 2:15:37 PM
#80:


Why are people still going nuts on JonTron a whole year later? He came out pretty quickly after that whole debacle and clearly regretted his statements, he was on the H3 podcast recently and restated his regret for what he said.

He has stayed out of that kind of discussion entirely since then as well, as far as I know. How much does he have to do before people stop holding it against him?
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rikasa
12/03/18 2:15:51 PM
#81:


found some racist things he said in case anyone's only mildly interested for the duration of this topic

What do you call a large number of people from one specific place, coming in, setting up their own ethnic enclaves and then waving their own flag inside of our nation? ... There are also large swathes of them who want to break parts of America off back into Mexico.

Nobody would ask Japan if it was okay that Japan became a minority Japanese nation.[21] ... I think it is a model society.

They [whites] are not being killed, but they're being displaced. You are the same guy who says that Europeans displaced the native Americans but apparently, when other people do it to white Americans, it's okay because fuck white people.

So why when the Chinese were trying to colonize Tibet, why was that a "Save Tibet" situation but when it's white people I'm using an analogy to try to give a parallel situation so you can see the hypocrisy.

Destiny: So what if whites became the minority but most brown people assimilated to the culture. Would that be okay then?
Jafari: Yeah, but if they assimilated, they would enter the gene pool eventually and would just... you know...


this guy is honestly disgusting
...and the elephant in the room: he's not even white?
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Questionmarktarius
12/03/18 2:16:04 PM
#82:


This is all just vast conspiracy to force Jon back into the arms of Arin, and maybe also Danny.
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_Rinku_
12/03/18 2:16:44 PM
#83:


Balrog0 posted...
usually when I'm accused of pitching a fit it's at least in something I'm emotionally invested in even if I don't feel like I've pitched a fit, in this case I honestly don't care except that I'm being told I'm pitching a fit

weird feeling

That's cute. The old, "Haha, I'm not even invested in this, how silly."

Hairistotle posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Esrac posted...
Now you're just being ridiculous.

The terms "leftist" and "SJW" have common usage outside alt-right circles. You're either underestimating the usage of these terms or overestimating how many people who use these terms constitute the alt-right.

Liberal has long been used as an insulting buzzword by conservatives too.

No, you're the one being ridiculous here. I'm not surprised or even disappointed. I just wish people like you would at least pretend to be intellectually honest and realize that context is important.

"everyone else is wrong. not me - i'm far too smart"

You refuse to acknowledge that the context in which words are said is important. You are wrong in that regard.
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Coastal_elite
12/03/18 2:17:30 PM
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funny how the non-white guys who want to feel white like jontron are the most outspoken racism defenders lol
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Esrac
12/03/18 2:18:13 PM
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You jumped all over his shit because he used a term you didn't approve of or otherwise associate too uniquely to the alt-right, "warning" him that it makes him look like he falls into a far right political group, and when he and other people don't fold over for you, you say he's the one pitching a fit.

What?

Is this what they call gaslighting? Because this looks to me like what they call gaslighting.
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Balrog0
12/03/18 2:18:27 PM
#88:


_Rinku_ posted...
That's cute. The old, "Haha, I'm not even invested in this, how silly."


well, no, I think you're wrong but for me the point is academic. I would use liberal if I thought it were the more appropriate term. Idc about the terminology the way that you seem to be implying
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Reis
12/03/18 2:18:48 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Weird seeing you use the word "leftist."

Balrog0 posted...
... why?

_Rinku_ posted...
You seemed like a sensible person who didn't use alt-right vocabulary like that.

_Rinku_ posted...
You seemed like a sensible person who didn't use alt-right vocabulary like that.

Balrog0 posted...
Are you not supposed to call people who are broadly on the left but aren't necessarily socialists 'leftists'? How on earth is that using the alt-right's vocabulary?

_Rinku_ posted...
It's a word the alt-right regularly use to rail against the left. Just letting you know so you don't look like you belong in that camp.

Balrog0 posted...
except leftists literally call themselves leftists

somehow in this exchange balrog is throwing a fit, and not the person who vehemently insists that he is
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_Rinku_
12/03/18 2:19:09 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
You are though, and so did Balrog. It's surprising for him though.

u can say it as often as u like it's just untrue. doesnt matter whether u think so or not

You're having such a fit over it that you can't even type properly.

s0nicfan posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
No, you're the one being ridiculous here. I'm not surprised or even disappointed. I just wish people like you would at least pretend to be intellectually honest and realize that context is important.


Did you apply context in considering Balrog's posting history before calling him out for using a word that implies (according to you) he isn't a sensible person?

I literally did in my first post addressing it.
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rikasa
12/03/18 2:19:24 PM
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"There's nothing wrong with diversity."[112] / "Like you were saying about diversity, I mean like, what does it just mean less white people?"[113]

"To be honest with you, if people started going around saying like the 'white community', that'd be fucking weird too."[114] / "What is so offensive about white people saying they'd like to preserve their demographic majority?"[60]

"What I care about is facts, reason and evidence. So if you come at me and you say something that's baseless, that's what pisses me off."[115] / "Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites, that's a fact. Yeah, look it up."[51]


lmao this guy owns
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rikasa
12/03/18 2:20:14 PM
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rinku's just ignorant and ashamed to admit he gets his information from alt-right sources, there's no point in berating him at this point when he's been thoroughly humiliated
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s0nicfan
12/03/18 2:20:24 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
I literally did in my first post addressing it.


If you did, you wouldn't have brought it up at all. That's the point.
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Guide
12/03/18 2:20:40 PM
#96:


rikasa posted...
"There's nothing wrong with diversity."[112] / "Like you were saying about diversity, I mean like, what does it just mean less white people?"[113]

"To be honest with you, if people started going around saying like the 'white community', that'd be fucking weird too."[114] / "What is so offensive about white people saying they'd like to preserve their demographic majority?"[60]

"What I care about is facts, reason and evidence. So if you come at me and you say something that's baseless, that's what pisses me off."[115] / "Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites, that's a fact. Yeah, look it up."[51]


lmao this guy owns


"yeah look it up"

This is only behind "both sides" as a brainlet indicator.
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electricbugs2
12/03/18 2:21:12 PM
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Hes half Iranian but as far as I know has no contact with his dad and identifies as a white Californian transplant.

Not a fan of when Jon goes political but he rarely if ever does it in his own videos so I just ignore that shit.
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Anteaterking
12/03/18 2:21:57 PM
#98:


Guide posted...

That term has been common in political discourse since well before the alt-right had any traction.


I'm calling this, in particular, out.


https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=leftist
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rikasa
12/03/18 2:22:00 PM
#99:


electricbugs2 posted...
Hes half Iranian but as far as I know has no contact with his dad and identifies as a white Californian transplant.

white nationalist with daddy issues, shocking
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Guide
12/03/18 2:22:39 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Guide posted...

That term has been common in political discourse since well before the alt-right had any traction.


I'm calling this, in particular, out.


https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=leftist


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