Current Events > Bethesda are being sued for refusing to give out refunds for Fallout 76

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http://www.classlawdc.com/2018/11/26/bethesda-game-studios-deceptive-trade-practices-investigation

Migliaccio & Rathod LLP is currently investigating Bethesda Game Studios for releasing a heavily-glitched game, Fallout 76, and refusing to issue refunds for PC purchasers of the game who found it to be unplayable because of its technical problems. While minor bugs and glitches are expected with the release of most new games, Fallout 76 launched with a 56GB patch that has proven to be but a starting point for the games problems. Gamers who have tried to receive a refund because of the games myriad glitches have been unable to do so since they downloaded the game, leaving them to deal with an unplayable experience until patches bring it back to a playable state.

I hope this sets a new precedent in the industry as giving consequence to publishers who think it's perfectly acceptable to rush out a broken game and patch it later
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Nobody?
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I mean good I guess but I didn't buy it
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Good fuck that shit.
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LMAO good fucking luck with that. Imagine being such a doofus incel that you sue over $60 lol

Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...

LMAO good fucking luck with that. Imagine being such a doofus incel that you sue over $60 lol

Imagine being such a beta cuck you just let them take advantage of you LMAO
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Bethesda will win easily. Their EULA is what it is.
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I bought FF7, FF9, and FFX/X2 HD on PSN instead of Fallout 76

Lol good.
Im glad I didnt blindly buy it
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They don't deserve refunds if only for the fact that everyone knew it would be shit but they still bought it

Why buy a game you knew would be trash

People are dumb
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Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...

LMAO good fucking luck with that. Imagine being such a doofus incel that you sue over $60 lol

ITP:It's ok they sold a broken game and refused to give out refunds because something about incels

Axiom posted...

They don't deserve refunds if only for the fact that everyone knew it would be shit but they still bought it

ITP:People deserve to be preyed upon with no sympathy
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eggcorn posted...

Good fuck that shit.

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NeuralLaxative posted...

Why buy a game you knew would be trash

People are dumb

gamers are just fucking stupid. they'd rather buy something, complain about it and act like they were some how tricked or forced into buying it, rather than just not buy it at all.
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Spooking posted...

Bethesda needs to come out and apologize for making such a terrible game. And Todd Howard should be the one who does it.

"In the next fucking update for the game you will be able to climb all of the mountains!"

I'm sue the whole refund thing is why they skipped Steam. They knew the game was hot trash
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It's really boring watching people catch up with the fact that Bethesda is a terrible company that makes glitchy shallow shitty games this deep into their career doing so
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DarkRoast posted...

Bethesda will win easily. Their EULA is what it is.

Depends on the country. I don't think that defense would hold up in Europe or Australia.
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NeuralLaxative posted...

Why buy a game you knew would be trash

People are dumb

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ultimate reaver posted...

It's really boring watching people catch up with the fact that Bethesda is a terrible company that makes glitchy shallow shitty games this deep into their career doing so

Their previous games (up until Fallout 4) were really ambitious and ahead of their time.

The problem is more companies started on the whole open world thing and make them without glitches.

What was wrong with it again?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

NeuralLaxative posted...

Why buy a game you knew would be trash

People are dumb

This is such terrible logic. Unless you frequent forums or follow gaming closely you wouldn't know this. Which the majority of people who play videogames don't, they just see a game on TV or something and buy it
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brotrrwinner posted...

I'm sue the whole refund thing is why they skipped Steam. They knew the game was hot trash

Are you actually Sue?
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I hope they win in the hopes this can start the ball rolling on better consumer protection laws for video games and digital purchases.
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Spooking posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

It's really boring watching people catch up with the fact that Bethesda is a terrible company that makes glitchy shallow shitty games this deep into their career doing so

It feels like two dev teams working on their games: one team who creates these amazing worlds which are vast, and then you have another team who does the coding for quests, items, creating different upgrades, puts items in caves/towns/dungeons. The first team does a splendid job while the second team doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

Doesn't matter that the 2nd team is shit when gamers still flock to their products anyways.
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This is the reason demos should be mandatory for all games again
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GrindcoreShark posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

NeuralLaxative posted...

Why buy a game you knew would be trash

People are dumb

This is such terrible logic. Unless you frequent forums or follow gaming closely you wouldn't know this. Which the majority of people who play videogames don't, they just see a game on TV or something and buy it

Literally thousands of people playing the Beta confirmed it was a fucking shot show. They let people play the game for free and it was garbage. Why would you expect the game release a month later to be vastly improved?
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Spooking posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

It's really boring watching people catch up with the fact that Bethesda is a terrible company that makes glitchy shallow shitty games this deep into their career doing so

It feels like two dev teams working on their games: one team who creates these amazing worlds which are vast, and then you have another team who does the coding for quests, items, creating different upgrades, puts items in caves/towns/dungeons. The first team does a splendid job while the second team doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

What you're experiencing is the fact that there's one team, and the second team that would normally be working on the engine doesn't exist. Fallout 76 uses the Creation Engine that is 7 years old at this point, and you can only "patch" an engine so many times before you get all the awful glitches you see now.
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s0nicfan posted...

What you're experiencing is the fact that there's one team, and the second team that would normally be working on the engine doesn't exist. Fallout 76 uses the Creation Engine that is 7 years old at this point, and you can only "patch" an engine so many times before you get all the awful glitches you see now.

Why do people keep talking about game development like they know what they're talking about? Patching engines? C'mon.
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GrindcoreShark posted...

I hope this sets a new precedent in the industry as giving consequence to publishers who think it's perfectly acceptable to rush out a broken game and patch it later

Yeah, about that...

https://www.pcgamer.com/gearbox-dropped-from-aliens-colonial-marines-lawsuit/

no mans sky
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Darmik posted...

s0nicfan posted...

What you're experiencing is the fact that there's one team, and the second team that would normally be working on the engine doesn't exist. Fallout 76 uses the Creation Engine that is 7 years old at this point, and you can only "patch" an engine so many times before you get all the awful glitches you see now.

Why do people keep talking about game development like they know what they're talking about? Patching engines? C'mon.

I figured it would be easier to explain to him without having to go over the details of what normally differs between major and minor revisions in engine versions. If you want to go ahead and explain to a total layman how a 7 year old engine can be upgraded only so much before you need to start over then go right ahead.
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Forgettable posted...

Bethesda should be allowed to release glitchy unfinished games and asking them to do differently is typical gamer entitlement.

ILT, is that you?
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s0nicfan posted...

I figured it would be easier to explain to him without having to go over the details of what normally differs between major and minor revisions in engine versions. If you want to go ahead and explain to a total layman how a 7 year old engine can be upgraded only so much before you need to start over then go right ahead.

I don't need to explain that because that isn't a correct assumption either. Plenty of game engines out there are built from stuff from the 90's.

Titanfall 2 runs like a dream and that uses a game engine from 2004. The latest Unreal engine still has stuff in there from the 90's.

The Creation Engine itself is a revision from the engine used in Morrowind.

An engine is also a collection of different development tools that can be changed and configured too. Rockstar games feel unique because of Euphoria but that only handles animations for example.

Even with all of this I still know next to jack shit about game development. This shit is complicated. When it comes to engines and development stories we can only really listen to game developers themselves when it comes to working on it and what their issues are. We can't just assume things because of some surface level information we can gleam from mods and credits.

If you're interested in this stuff noclip does have a documentary that goes into some of the challenges with implementing Fallout 76 multiplayer on the creation engine. I don't think there's anything for their other games unfortunately.
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Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...

LMAO good fucking luck with that. Imagine being such a doofus incel that you sue over $60 lol

I see we've reached that point in a buzzword's life cycle where it loses all meaning and just describes anyone we dont like.

On topic, it would be great if this did anything to shake Crapthesda and AAA garbage in general. I mean, it wont, but that would be great.
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lol
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Darmik posted...

I don't think there's anything for their other games unfortunately.

Except they have Id Software at their disposal who could make them an engine for whatever they need as shown by Machine Games, Tango, and Arkane who all have engines built using Id Tech as a base but choose to use their busted and broken one because Bethesda are incompetent hacks who can't use anything else.

Also if you even knew about HALF of the bullshit you routinely spouted you'd know there's a big difference between what Bethesda did with the Creation Engine and what Epic did with the Unreal Engine.
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Damn that's a lot of unhappy people.
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GrindcoreShark posted...

Except they have Id Software at their disposal who could make them an engine for whatever they need as shown by Machine Games, Tango, and Arkane who all have engines built using Id Tech as a base but choose to use their busted and broken one because Bethesda are incompetent hacks who can't use anything else.

That would be up to Zenimax. Bethesda Game Studios don't run the entire company. EA wanted Bioware to use Frostbite and that didn't work out for them.

I don't think any of those games do the same thing as Elder Scrolls or Fallout anyway. How's the mod support for example? I haven't heard anything.

Making an entire new engine for Elder Scrolls and Fallout isn't some easy endeavour. Game engines aren't just a one size fits all thing.

GrindcoreShark posted...

Also if you even knew about HALF of the bullshit you routinely spouted you'd know there's a big difference between what Bethesda did with the Creation Engine and what Epic did with the Unreal Engine.

I never said they did the same thing. Epic license out their engine to third parties. It's a big part of their business.
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Beth needs to stick to single player games
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cmiller4642 posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

It's really boring watching people catch up with the fact that Bethesda is a terrible company that makes glitchy shallow shitty games this deep into their career doing so

Their previous games (up until Fallout 4) were really ambitious and ahead of their time.

The problem is more companies started on the whole open world thing and make them without glitches.

Bethesda made the game the beancounters want us to want.
Just like Blizzard.

All people wanted was a fallout with co op not a soul less game that 76 is
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Darmik posted...

That would be up to Zenimax. Bethesda Game Studios don't run the entire company. EA wanted Bioware to use Frostbite and that didn't work out for them.

This is not even comparable like at all, the team that made ME:A was a brand new team made up of people straight out of college unfamiliar the Frostbite Engine make a game it wasn't designed for. Id Software have literal tech wizards on their hands even with Carmack gone and wouldn't have these problems.

Darmik posted...

I don't think any of those games do the same thing as Elder Scrolls or Fallout anyway. How's the mod support for example? I haven't heard anything.

No shit, that's why they're all BASED off Id tech, can you learn to fucking read?

Have you not heard modders BEGGING Bethesda to use a new engine? You can't leverage them in favor of Bethesda's incompetence in this argument

Darmik posted...

Making an entire new engine for Elder Scrolls and Fallout isn't some easy endeavour. Game engines aren't just a one size fits all thing.

I wasn't aware these were noobs who've never made a game before and not skilled game developers with decades of experience working for AAA developers and publishers under their belts, oh wait...

Darmik posted...

I never said they did the same thing. Epic license out their engine to third parties. It's a big part of their business.

That's not what I meant and you know it. Epic actually upgraded their engine accordingly for each generation of consoles instead of incremental upgrades that age poorly like what we're seeing now with Fallout 76.

Why must you endlessly split hairs for the sake of exonerating a corporation?
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DarkRoast posted...

Bethesda will win easily. Their EULA is what it is.

I'm sure that's what Valve was banking on in Europe and Australia... look at how that turned out >_>
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