Poll of the Day > Oregon Black Man who PUNCHED and KILLED a RACIST White Man is NOT CHARGED!!!

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mrduckbear
11/21/18 12:52:48 AM
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Was this the right verdict? - Results (1 vote)
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Oregon Prosecutors will NOT prosecute a Black Fedex Driver who TKO'd a Racist White Man who shouted the N-Word at him in Portland back in September!!

They said there was no indication that Timothy Warren intended to kill Joseph Magnuson during a September 26th brawl near Northeast Hoyt Street and Northeast 29th Avenue.

Magnuson, who witnesses said INITIATED the confrontation by hurling the N-word at him as well as other aggressive and abusive phrases as he egged him to fight him and even made hand gestures while hurling racist words to get him to engage.

The medical examiner said Joseph was in "extremely poor health" which is why he died after taking a fatal punch.

Witnesses said Warren was driving his truck slowly into the neighborhood to drop off packages when Magnuson sees him and yelled "very aggressively" at him for him to slow down.

Warren then stopped and tried to speak to him but James kept escalating hostilities and said "Come and hit me" while yelling the n-word over and over again.

Both men then started a screaming match and suddenly Joseph THROWS a DRINK and BAG OF FOOD at him. Timothy then punches the second bag of food out of his hand and Joseph throws a punch at him but it doesn't connect, at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.

He remained at the scene while speaking to police as he cooperated with police..

D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

He also noted that toxicology results are not significant to the legal anaylsis either.

Was the right verdict?

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Lokarin
11/21/18 1:01:36 AM
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Sounds like accidental manslaughter, or at worst aggravated assault resulting in death, but without knowing the exact details of the case and witness testimonies and video evidence or anything... I could only guess that it was reasonable self defense and Fair;Next
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Locke90
11/21/18 1:03:52 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Sounds like accidental manslaughter, or at worst aggravated assault resulting in death, but without knowing the exact details of the case and witness testimonies and video evidence or anything... I could only guess that it was reasonable self defense and Fair;Next

Well duck bear isnt known for non biased postings.
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wwinterj25
11/21/18 1:05:07 AM
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mrduckbear posted...
Joseph THROWS a DRINK and BAG OF FOOD at him.


Fair, next.
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Zeus
11/21/18 1:09:51 AM
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If he hit him with stuff, I guess punching him was fair. The rest is just bad luck.
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Full Throttle
11/21/18 9:43:26 PM
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most say yes
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streamofthesky
11/21/18 9:52:04 PM
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Was he justified to punch the now-dead guy?

For hurling racist insults? No.
For egging him on to fight? Not really.
For throwing food and drink at him? Questionable, but I'm leaning towards yes.
For trying to punch him first? Abso-freaking-lutely.
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PKMNsony
11/21/18 9:54:44 PM
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He should have been charged if he attacked and killed him for shouting words at him. Nothing wrong with defending himself though, right call.
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green dragon
11/21/18 10:05:46 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Was he justified to punch the now-dead guy?

For hurling racist insults? No.
For egging him on to fight? Not really.
For throwing food and drink at him? Questionable, but I'm leaning towards yes.
For trying to punch him first? Abso-freaking-lutely.

Pretty much my exact thoughts
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aDirtyShisno
11/21/18 11:43:55 PM
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green dragon posted...
streamofthesky posted...
Was he justified to punch the now-dead guy?

For hurling racist insults? No.
For egging him on to fight? Not really.
For throwing food and drink at him? Questionable, but I'm leaning towards yes.
For trying to punch him first? Abso-freaking-lutely.

Pretty much my exact thoughts

+1

If Duckbear is telling the truth, which he usually isnt, then this sounds completely within the legal definition of self defense in any jurisdiction.
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ASlaveObeys
11/21/18 11:49:02 PM
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self defense doesn't mean the other guy punches you first. If you are verbally threatened and you can prove it you technically could claim self defense effectively.
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streamofthesky
11/22/18 12:09:19 AM
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ASlaveObeys posted...
self defense doesn't mean the other guy punches you first. If you are verbally threatened and you can prove it you technically could claim self defense effectively.

It can, but you're in a lot murkier waters there, and it has to be threats where you actually fear for your safety, not just, "Go away, [racial slur]!"
If the other dude physically attacks you first, and your response is not grossly disproportionate (in this case, sounds like he just responded with the one punch), then you're pretty much in the clear for sure.
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Revelation34
11/26/18 1:42:16 PM
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ASlaveObeys posted...
self defense doesn't mean the other guy punches you first. If you are verbally threatened and you can prove it you technically could claim self defense effectively.


It would be assault and not self defense then.
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DPsx7
11/26/18 4:07:01 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


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LinkPizza
11/26/18 4:11:12 PM
#15:


DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...
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GasMonkey
11/26/18 4:19:19 PM
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stand your ground.

play racist games win racist prizes

why are those who spout racial superiority the worst examples of it

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C-Raine
11/26/18 4:21:57 PM
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Sounds like a textbook case of Being an Ass Resulting in Death.

The victim should be able to sue the estate of the deceased perpetrator for damages.
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zebatov
11/26/18 4:24:22 PM
#18:


Exact same thing happened to my friend outside a bar. Killed a kid with one punch and spent two years in jail on a manslaughter conviction. That's what manslaughter is. So no, this is not the right verdict, regardless of what the poll shows. These results are based on emotion due to the details of the incident, not actual thought being put into answering the poll correctly.

Dude shouldn't have gotten out of his vehicle at all. People tell me to slow down all the time. I usually just drive faster or spin my wheels. That way there's no altercation and that person gets to stay pissed off by themselves realising they made the situation worse by opening their mouth when they clearly can't see my speedometer.
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yutterh
11/26/18 4:30:45 PM
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DPsx7
11/26/18 4:53:13 PM
#20:


LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.
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LinkPizza
11/26/18 4:57:20 PM
#21:


DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.

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yutterh
11/26/18 4:59:50 PM
#22:


LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.

dGdX6xU


how do you get pics to show up?
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C-Raine
11/26/18 5:01:54 PM
#23:


zebatov posted...
Exact same thing happened to my friend outside a bar. Killed a kid with one punch and spent two years in jail on a manslaughter conviction. That's what manslaughter is. So no, this is not the right verdict, regardless of what the poll shows. These results are based on emotion due to the details of the incident, not actual thought being put into answering the poll correctly.

Dude shouldn't have gotten out of his vehicle at all. People tell me to slow down all the time. I usually just drive faster or spin my wheels. That way there's no altercation and that person gets to stay pissed off by themselves realising they made the situation worse by opening their mouth when they clearly can't see my speedometer.

There is a huge difference between someone fucking with you while you're just trying to do your job versus a bar fight.
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LinkPizza
11/26/18 5:07:30 PM
#24:


yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.

dGdX6xU


how do you get pics to show up?

Screenshot, then crop the photo, then used Imgtc, since imgur doesnt show pics anymore...
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_AdjI_
11/26/18 5:36:55 PM
#25:


zebatov posted...
People tell me to slow down all the time. I usually just drive faster or spin my wheels


This really doesn't paint you as a good driver.
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yutterh
11/26/18 5:38:59 PM
#26:


LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.

dGdX6xU


how do you get pics to show up?

Screenshot, then crop the photo, then used Imgtc, since imgur doesnt show pics anymore...


Thank you

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DPsx7
11/26/18 6:09:55 PM
#27:


LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.

dGdX6xU


how do you get pics to show up?

Screenshot, then crop the photo, then used Imgtc, since imgur doesnt show pics anymore...


No kidding. I tried a few different pics. PNG, JPG, img tags, ones with smaller addresses, nothing worked.
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aDirtyShisno
11/26/18 6:21:55 PM
#28:


DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
DPsx7 posted...
mrduckbear posted...
at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.

https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/onepunch-625x352.jpg

I was thinking this...


Would have been funnier if it showed as a pic, not a link.

dGdX6xU


how do you get pics to show up?

Screenshot, then crop the photo, then used Imgtc, since imgur doesnt show pics anymore...


No kidding. I tried a few different pics. PNG, JPG, img tags, ones with smaller addresses, nothing worked.

I still dont get why imgur is blocking gamefaqs...
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GasMonkey
11/26/18 6:37:13 PM
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SunWuKung420
11/26/18 6:46:40 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
I still dont get why imgur is blocking gamefaqs


The direct links are a strain on their servers without generating ad revenue.
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zebatov
11/26/18 7:18:26 PM
#31:


C-Raine posted...
There is a huge difference between someone fucking with you while you're just trying to do your job versus a bar fight.

There is no difference between manslaughter from a single punch. You either punch someone with intent and they survive, or you punch someone with intent and they die. One is manslaughter, the other is not.

_AdjI_ posted...
zebatov posted...
People tell me to slow down all the time. I usually just drive faster or spin my wheels


This really doesn't paint you as a good driver.

Speeding and putting the pedal to the floor from a dead stop doesn't indicate bad driving.
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LinkPizza
11/26/18 7:19:20 PM
#32:


zebatov posted...
C-Raine posted...
There is a huge difference between someone fucking with you while you're just trying to do your job versus a bar fight.

There is no difference between manslaughter from a single punch. You either punch someone with intent and they survive, or you punch someone with intent and they die. One is manslaughter, the other is not.

In this guys case, it seemed more like self-defense, though...
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zebatov
11/26/18 7:20:30 PM
#33:


LinkPizza posted...
In this guys case, it seemed more like self-defense, though...

Still killed someone, whether it was an accident or not. He also got out of his vehicle and approached the guy who was clearly already aggressive.
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LinkPizza
11/26/18 7:21:26 PM
#34:


zebatov posted...
LinkPizza posted...
In this guys case, it seemed more like self-defense, though...

Still killed someone, whether it was an accident or not.

But killing someone in self-defense normally doesn't get them put in jail. Which makes sense.
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Revelation34
11/26/18 7:22:16 PM
#35:


GasMonkey posted...
stand your ground.

play racist games win racist prizes

why are those who spout racial superiority the worst examples of it

womp womp


Stating stand your ground is ironic when in defense of a black guy.

C-Raine posted...
The victim should be able to sue the estate of the deceased perpetrator for damages.


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zebatov
11/26/18 7:26:25 PM
#36:


LinkPizza posted...
But killing someone in self-defense normally doesn't get them put in jail. Which makes sense.

I don't see how it's self-defense if the driver of the vehicle got out of his vehicle to approach the aggressive man. This could even be construed as murder.

You can't knowingly put yourself into a situation where you'll have to defend yourself and then claim self-defense.

The throwing of the foodstuffs by the man could be seen as self-defense on his part once the driver approached him.
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LinkPizza
11/26/18 7:29:44 PM
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zebatov posted...
LinkPizza posted...
But killing someone in self-defense normally doesn't get them put in jail. Which makes sense.

I don't see how it's self-defense if the driver of the vehicle got out of his vehicle to approach the aggressive man. This could even be construed as murder.

The throwing of the foodstuffs by the man could be seen as self-defense on his part once the driver approached him.

Depends on everything that happened. There were apparently witnesses. I cant say everything that happened. But they must have found evidence that suggested that it was self-defense.
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aDirtyShisno
11/26/18 7:46:22 PM
#38:


SunWuKung420 posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
I still dont get why imgur is blocking gamefaqs


The direct links are a strain on their servers without generating ad revenue.

But theyre only blocking gamefaqs! I can still use it on other forums...
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SunWuKung420
11/26/18 7:48:53 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
I still dont get why imgur is blocking gamefaqs


The direct links are a strain on their servers without generating ad revenue.

But theyre only blocking gamefaqs! I can still use it on other forums...


They don't like CBS.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/26/18 7:58:09 PM
#40:


mrduckbear posted...
Magnuson, who witnesses said INITIATED the confrontation by hurling the N-word at him

So Warren responded to someone being verbally abusive with a physical assault.

mrduckbear posted...
The medical examiner said Joseph was in "extremely poor health" which is why he died after taking a fatal punch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull
he eggshell rule (or thin skull rule) is a well-established legal doctrine in common law, used in some tort law systems, with a similar doctrine applicable to criminal law. The rule states that, in a tort case, the unexpected frailty of the injured person is not a valid defense to the seriousness of any injury caused to them.
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LinkPizza
11/26/18 8:00:52 PM
#41:


SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
So Warren responded to someone being verbally abusive with a physical assault.

No. He responded to the guys physical violence (the punch that missed Warren) with physical violence.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/26/18 8:55:45 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
No. He responded to the guys physical violence (the punch that missed Warren) with physical violence.

That isn't made clear until the end of the post. At the point that I quoted it sounds like Warren had escalated the conflict.
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gwwak
11/26/18 9:31:17 PM
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Huh neat.
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