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Balrog0 11/15/18 9:19:07 AM #204:	I didn't read this whole topic but from the fight it just looked like her opponent was bad and her opponents record is 2-3, in the fight before this one another woman knocked her out and in the fight after another woman choked her out I dont think they were all born as men --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912442338] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>I didn't read this whole topic but from the fight it just looked like her opponent was bad and her opponents record is 2-3, in the fight before this one another woman knocked her out and in the fight after another woman choked her out I dont think they were all born as men</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega 11/15/18 9:41:23 AM #205:	gunplagirl posted... This is from 2014 And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women Fracturing someone's skull is not common. You should read "The Punch : One Night, Two Lives, and the Fight That Changed Basketball" for some insight into how horrifying an injury like that can be for all parties involved. If a sport routinely resulted in such a grave injury, it would not be permitted. --- - I dislike Sony and Nintendo equally but own both of their consoles plus a PC. - I'm a traditional leftist and I literally work for the government. <cite>AltOmega posted [p:912443190] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>This is from 2014 And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women</quote> Fracturing someone's skull is not common. You should read "The Punch : One Night, Two Lives, and the Fight That Changed Basketball" for some insight into how horrifying an injury like that can be for all parties involved. If a sport routinely resulted in such a grave injury, it would not be permitted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/15/18 9:43:45 AM #206:	AltOmega posted... Fracturing someone's skull is not common. You should read "The Punch : One Night, Two Lives, and the Fight That Changed Basketball" for some insight into how horrifying an injury like that can be for all parties involved. If a sport routinely resulted in such a grave injury, it would not be permitted. yeah but in reality what happened is she broke the other girls orbital bone, which IS a fairly common and not very dangerous injury --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912443283] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>AltOmega posted...</cite> <quote>Fracturing someone's skull is not common. You should read "The Punch : One Night, Two Lives, and the Fight That Changed Basketball" for some insight into how horrifying an injury like that can be for all parties involved. If a sport routinely resulted in such a grave injury, it would not be permitted.</quote> yeah but in reality what happened is she broke the other girls orbital bone, which IS a fairly common and not very dangerous injury</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/15/18 9:44:02 AM #207:	Raven025 posted... LOL that is awesome, men should just turn into women, and beat women at their sports and then rub it in their faces Some men won't let females have ANYTHING. Can't even let them having BEING WOMEN. Gotta take that away too. <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:912443295] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raven025 posted...</cite> <quote>LOL that is awesome, men should just turn into women, and beat women at their sports and then rub it in their faces</quote> Some men won't let females have ANYTHING. Can't even let them having BEING WOMEN. Gotta take that away too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SchoolForAnts 11/15/18 10:07:42 AM #208:	Now that the Amy Rose/nidhogger lover quarrel is done, time to bring back my two posts drowned by it: SchoolForAnts posted... Guide posted... SchoolForAnts posted... Guide posted... I'm not watching a long commercial. Skip to the part where it says women are equally as physically capable as men. sigh You might as well have replied LALALALALA CANT HEAR YOU! What? If you yourself watched it, then you would know which part says that, right? Why are you cowering so easily? - I recalled the video and specific hashtag from the past. - I took the effort to go to YouTube and look for it to show you what I am talking about - its a short video, its not like its 10 minutes or something You: not watching! LOL!!! Hahahaa Y U cower bro? Sony always wins baby! SchoolForAnts posted... So, how do you feel about this? - UFC fights - more granular weight classes - men and women in the same division but groin strikes are allowed So you could see fighting somebody like Ronda (before she retired) or Holly Holm fighting a guy, but the guy has to weight the same or less, but the guy can be kicked/kneed in the groin too. Women too, but it is nowhere near as devastating lol. Fair? <cite>SchoolForAnts posted [p:912444192] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Now that the Amy Rose/nidhogger lover quarrel is done, time to bring back my two posts drowned by it: <cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not watching a long commercial. Skip to the part where it says women are equally as physically capable as men.</quote> sigh You might as well have replied LALALALALA CANT HEAR YOU!</quote> What? If you yourself watched it, then you would know which part says that, right? Why are you cowering so easily?</quote> - I recalled the video and specific hashtag from the past. - I took the effort to go to YouTube and look for it to show you what I am talking about - its a short video, its not like its 10 minutes or something You: not watching! LOL!!! Hahahaa Y U cower bro? Sony always wins baby!</quote> <cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>So, how do you feel about this? - UFC fights - more granular weight classes - men and women in the same division but groin strikes are allowed So you could see fighting somebody like Ronda (before she retired) or Holly Holm fighting a guy, but the guy has to weight the same or less, but the guy can be kicked/kneed in the groin too. Women too, but it is nowhere near as devastating lol. Fair?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThexFury 11/15/18 10:23:29 AM #209:	Joe Rogan warned people about this shit a long time ago, and some crazies yelled at him. I don't always agree with the guy, but he's 1000% right about transgendered MMA fighters. --- Bah Gawd!!! That Batista is an Animal!!! - JR <cite>ThexFury posted [p:912444910] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Joe Rogan warned people about this shit a long time ago, and some crazies yelled at him. I don't always agree with the guy, but he's 1000% right about transgendered MMA fighters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 11/15/18 10:32:28 AM #210:	CyricZ posted... Gonna assume you meant MTF on that one, but here's the thing. You say "to a comical degree". I'm really hoping you have support on that. Of course, we hear about it when a transwoman wins a sports competition, because it means we start the argument again. Nobody ever reports in the news about transwomen not winning a competition. The question at that point is: are the people running the sporting event taking into account the history of the transwoman? Take the recent cycling competition which the Canadian transwoman won. She had to go through a series of testosterone blocking treatments before she was allowed to compete. Prior to her win, she lost in similar cycling competitions eleven times to a woman she finally ended up beating. At that point, can you really say she had a "natural physiological advantage"? Also, the Olympics have their own rules on allowing transgender people to compete as well, in the interest of fairness. The fact that there are so many people who rush to the conclusion of "a man in a wig beating women" is what gets my goat about the argument. They just assume that there are no preparations or accommodations made and that no one thinks before putting a transwoman in their sports competition. Good post, I also find it weird that a lot of people say stuff along the lines of "Science says this person is a man!" but don't pay any mind to the science these athletic commissions use to determine if a person is fit to compete in a certain division or event. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:912445345] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Gonna assume you meant MTF on that one, but here's the thing. You say "to a comical degree". I'm really hoping you have support on that. Of course, we hear about it when a transwoman wins a sports competition, because it means we start the argument again. Nobody ever reports in the news about transwomen not winning a competition. The question at that point is: are the people running the sporting event taking into account the history of the transwoman? Take the recent cycling competition which the Canadian transwoman won. She had to go through a series of testosterone blocking treatments before she was allowed to compete. Prior to her win, she lost in similar cycling competitions eleven times to a woman she finally ended up beating. At that point, can you really say she had a "natural physiological advantage"? Also, the Olympics have their own rules on allowing transgender people to compete as well, in the interest of fairness. The fact that there are so many people who rush to the conclusion of "a man in a wig beating women" is what gets my goat about the argument. They just assume that there are no preparations or accommodations made and that no one thinks before putting a transwoman in their sports competition.</quote> Good post, I also find it weird that a lot of people say stuff along the lines of "Science says this person is a man!" but don't pay any mind to the science these athletic commissions use to determine if a person is fit to compete in a certain division or event.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 11/15/18 10:40:45 AM #212:	Raven025 posted... --- "Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquation <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:912445728] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raven025 posted...</cite> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/15/18 10:52:07 AM #213:	VectorChaos posted... Raven025 posted... Gonna need more Mtn Dew for all that popcorn <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:912446286] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>VectorChaos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Raven025 posted...</cite> </quote> Gonna need more Mtn Dew for all that popcorn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/15/18 10:52:50 AM #214:	Raven025 posted... This is why we treat you the way we do in real life. "If you didn't punish me for being bad, I wouldn't be worse!" ThexFury posted... Joe Rogan warned people about this shit a long time ago That "long time ago" was four years ago, the same time this issue happened. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912446323] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raven025 posted...</cite> <quote>This is why we treat you the way we do in real life.</quote> "If you didn't punish me for being bad, I wouldn't be worse!" <cite>ThexFury posted...</cite> <quote>Joe Rogan warned people about this shit a long time ago</quote> That "long time ago" was four years ago, the same time this issue happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/15/18 10:56:43 AM #216:	KoroSensei33 posted... People in here really believe trannies are women... What is the world coming to... Lmao. More like what ISN'T the world "coming to" <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:912446511] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>KoroSensei33 posted...</cite> <quote>People in here really believe trannies are women... What is the world coming to... Lmao.</quote> More like what ISN'T the world "coming to"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/15/18 10:57:21 AM #217:	Can't believe I was just restarting reading Assassination Classroom last night and I have to tell someone bearing the main character's namesake that he probably shouldn't use that word if he wants to keep his karma. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912446552] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Can't believe I was just restarting reading Assassination Classroom last night and I have to tell someone bearing the main character's namesake that he probably shouldn't use that word if he wants to keep his karma.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/15/18 10:59:20 AM #218:	It's a strange world we live in when men are better at being women than actual women --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:912446638] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>It's a strange world we live in when men are better at being women than actual women</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/15/18 11:08:32 AM #219:	Trans women are women, and thus should be allowed to compete with other women. If you're going to harp on about unfair biological advantages, do you think we should ban tall people from basketball because they have an unfair biological advantage against short people? <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:912447085] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Trans women are women, and thus should be allowed to compete with other women. If you're going to harp on about unfair biological advantages, do you think we should ban tall people from basketball because they have an unfair biological advantage against short people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
babyeatermax 11/15/18 11:10:10 AM #220:	This looks more like bad match making tbh. I don't watch MMA, but the woman that got her skull broken is 2-4 and looks flabby/out of shape. --- This guy <cite>babyeatermax posted [p:912447166] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>This looks more like bad match making tbh. I don't watch MMA, but the woman that got her skull broken is 2-4 and looks flabby/out of shape.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 11/15/18 11:12:31 AM #221:	holy fuck my post #2 wins this topic --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Autumnsim (4-6): https://imgur.com/keaWhP1 <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:912447271] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>holy fuck my post #2 wins this topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/15/18 11:18:36 AM #222:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Trans women are women, and thus should be allowed to compete with other women. If you're going to harp on about unfair biological advantages, do you think we should ban tall people from basketball because they have an unfair biological advantage against short people? Well, we have to consider potential advantage when segregating competitions for the sake of fairness. That's why men and women sports have typically been separated in the first place, not to mention more granular systems like weight divisions. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:912447562] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Trans women are women, and thus should be allowed to compete with other women. If you're going to harp on about unfair biological advantages, do you think we should ban tall people from basketball because they have an unfair biological advantage against short people?</quote> Well, we have to consider potential advantage when segregating competitions for the sake of fairness. That's why men and women sports have typically been separated in the first place, not to mention more granular systems like weight divisions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PizzaPatty 11/15/18 11:31:02 AM #223:	Bigots get out. Women compete with other women just like always. I am sick of seeing people trying to discredit female athletes by alleging that they are not women. It is disgusting behavior as is all bigoted behavior. <cite>PizzaPatty posted [p:912448196] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Bigots get out. Women compete with other women just like always. I am sick of seeing people trying to discredit female athletes by alleging that they are not women. It is disgusting behavior as is all bigoted behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/15/18 11:37:32 AM #224:	LOL! <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:912448512] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>LOL!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 11/15/18 11:51:43 AM #225:	That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose. Duh. If you lose with an advantage, no one cares. If you win, well you had the advantage. So now everyone's looking at that to see if it's unfair or not. And that one guy who tried to say separate by weight, allow both genders, and allow groin hits...no. A man at 130lbs is Floyd Mayweather (for example) who knocks out men at that weight. He will demolish any woman in a fight and it'd be spectacularly gruesome. You can't let women and men fight or no women would ever be in the sport as they'd die immediately (not literally, except on a few occasions). Same thing should be done for Trans. If you were born a man, you don't fight women. They've determined that's unfair already. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 4 Stars and IndieReader Approved:https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N-ebook/dp/B076R7DCHN <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:912449216] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose. Duh. If you lose with an advantage, no one cares. If you win, well you had the advantage. So now everyone's looking at that to see if it's unfair or not. And that one guy who tried to say separate by weight, allow both genders, and allow groin hits...no. A man at 130lbs is Floyd Mayweather (for example) who knocks out men at that weight. He will demolish any woman in a fight and it'd be spectacularly gruesome. You can't let women and men fight or no women would ever be in the sport as they'd die immediately (not literally, except on a few occasions). Same thing should be done for Trans. If you were born a man, you don't fight women. They've determined that's unfair already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 11/15/18 11:52:38 AM #226:	That commission needs to be held accountable. --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:912449260] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>That commission needs to be held accountable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/15/18 11:52:46 AM #227:	Knowledge_King posted... If you were born a man, you don't fight women They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:912449267] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>If you were born a man, you don't fight women</quote> They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/15/18 11:55:01 AM #228:	The point is don't lose your dinosaur. <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:912449373] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>The point is don't lose your dinosaur.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forlorn_Ass 11/15/18 11:56:07 AM #229:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Knowledge_King posted... If you were born a man, you don't fight women They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender Uh... --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Forlorn_Ass posted [p:912449429] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote> If you were born a man, you don't fight women</quote> They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender</quote> Uh...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/15/18 11:56:07 AM #230:	Knowledge_King posted... Same thing should be done for Trans. If you were born a man, you don't fight women. They've determined that's unfair already. But transgender athletes typically compete in their 'new' sex if they've undergone sex reassignment surgery and, for MtF, if their testosterone levels are low enough --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912449430] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>Same thing should be done for Trans. If you were born a man, you don't fight women. They've determined that's unfair already.</quote> But transgender athletes typically compete in their 'new' sex if they've undergone sex reassignment surgery and, for MtF, if their testosterone levels are low enough</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/15/18 11:58:24 AM #231:	Forlorn_Ass posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Knowledge_King posted... If you were born a man, you don't fight women They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender Uh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eixph5NV8Pg" data-time=" <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:912449570] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Forlorn_Ass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote> If you were born a man, you don't fight women</quote> They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender</quote> Uh...</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eixph5NV8Pg" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/15/18 12:01:19 PM #232:	TomNook20 posted... CyricZ posted... Gonna assume you meant MTF on that one, but here's the thing. You say "to a comical degree". I'm really hoping you have support on that. Of course, we hear about it when a transwoman wins a sports competition, because it means we start the argument again. Nobody ever reports in the news about transwomen not winning a competition. The question at that point is: are the people running the sporting event taking into account the history of the transwoman? Take the recent cycling competition which the Canadian transwoman won. She had to go through a series of testosterone blocking treatments before she was allowed to compete. Prior to her win, she lost in similar cycling competitions eleven times to a woman she finally ended up beating. At that point, can you really say she had a "natural physiological advantage"? Also, the Olympics have their own rules on allowing transgender people to compete as well, in the interest of fairness. The fact that there are so many people who rush to the conclusion of "a man in a wig beating women" is what gets my goat about the argument. They just assume that there are no preparations or accommodations made and that no one thinks before putting a transwoman in their sports competition. Good post, I also find it weird that a lot of people say stuff along the lines of "Science says this person is a man!" but don't pay any mind to the science these athletic commissions use to determine if a person is fit to compete in a certain division or event. Athletic commissions using bad metrics doesn't provide scientific validation. It's always hilarious when SJWs think science is in their side. 99% of evidence points to chromosomes. Then one fringe study says "but some trans people have brains similar to biological males." Oh yeah? Guess what standard they use when comparing to biological males. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:912449735] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Gonna assume you meant MTF on that one, but here's the thing. You say "to a comical degree". I'm really hoping you have support on that. Of course, we hear about it when a transwoman wins a sports competition, because it means we start the argument again. Nobody ever reports in the news about transwomen not winning a competition. The question at that point is: are the people running the sporting event taking into account the history of the transwoman? Take the recent cycling competition which the Canadian transwoman won. She had to go through a series of testosterone blocking treatments before she was allowed to compete. Prior to her win, she lost in similar cycling competitions eleven times to a woman she finally ended up beating. At that point, can you really say she had a "natural physiological advantage"? Also, the Olympics have their own rules on allowing transgender people to compete as well, in the interest of fairness. The fact that there are so many people who rush to the conclusion of "a man in a wig beating women" is what gets my goat about the argument. They just assume that there are no preparations or accommodations made and that no one thinks before putting a transwoman in their sports competition.</quote> Good post, I also find it weird that a lot of people say stuff along the lines of "Science says this person is a man!" but don't pay any mind to the science these athletic commissions use to determine if a person is fit to compete in a certain division or event.</quote> Athletic commissions using bad metrics doesn't provide scientific validation. It's always hilarious when SJWs think science is in their side. 99% of evidence points to chromosomes. Then one fringe study says "but some trans people have brains similar to biological males." Oh yeah? Guess what standard they use when comparing to biological males.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/15/18 12:25:20 PM #233:	Knowledge_King posted... That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose. I think it's an important thing to remind ourselves of, given that there's a perception that the moment transwomen step into the competition they immediately dominate everything without question. For example: Knowledge_King posted... You can't let women and men fight or no women would ever be in the sport as they'd die immediately Squall28 posted... Athletic commissions using bad metrics doesn't provide scientific validation. It's always hilarious when SJWs think science is in their side. 99% of evidence points to chromosomes. Then one fringe study says "but some trans people have brains similar to biological males." Oh yeah? Guess what standard they use when comparing to biological males. Well I'm sure you can source this claim of yours, whatever it is. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912450954] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose.</quote> I think it's an important thing to remind ourselves of, given that there's a perception that the moment transwomen step into the competition they immediately dominate everything without question. For example: <cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>You can't let women and men fight or no women would ever be in the sport as they'd die immediately</quote> <cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>Athletic commissions using bad metrics doesn't provide scientific validation. It's always hilarious when SJWs think science is in their side. 99% of evidence points to chromosomes. Then one fringe study says "but some trans people have brains similar to biological males." Oh yeah? Guess what standard they use when comparing to biological males.</quote> Well I'm sure you can source this claim of yours, whatever it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 11/15/18 12:41:33 PM #234:	You know, at some point in this topic, simply finding the stats on how often trans people win or lose, and on what factors, became the only real answer that no one's willing to find. I will admit my embarrassment in that I cannot find any. --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:912451766] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>You know, at some point in this topic, simply finding the stats on how often trans people win or lose, and on what factors, became the only real answer that no one's willing to find. I will admit my embarrassment in that I cannot find any.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/15/18 12:43:46 PM #235:	Guide posted... You know, at some point in this topic, simply finding the stats on how often trans people win or lose, and on what factors, became the only real answer that no one's willing to find. I will admit my embarrassment in that I cannot find any. she's the only transgender fighter I'm aware of, and she's only lost once --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912451879] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You know, at some point in this topic, simply finding the stats on how often trans people win or lose, and on what factors, became the only real answer that no one's willing to find. I will admit my embarrassment in that I cannot find any.</quote> she's the only transgender fighter I'm aware of, and she's only lost once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 11/15/18 12:45:11 PM #236:	This happens during man vs man. <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:912451951] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>This happens during man vs man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 11/15/18 12:45:16 PM #237:	It's insanity that this is even an issue. --- https://imgur.com/DCjoiZ0 <cite>spanky1 posted [p:912451955] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>It's insanity that this is even an issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/15/18 12:52:23 PM #238:	sLaCkEr408___RJ posted... This happens during man vs man. yeah it really does, and worse spanky1 posted... It's insanity that this is even an issue. I mean its just that she's not a particularly good fighter and she's lost to the only real competition she ever faced so it's hard to act like she's unbeatable --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912452313] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...</cite> <quote>This happens during man vs man.</quote> yeah it really does, and worse <cite>spanky1 posted...</cite> <quote>It's insanity that this is even an issue.</quote> I mean its just that she's not a particularly good fighter and she's lost to the only real competition she ever faced so it's hard to act like she's unbeatable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rahasperj 11/15/18 1:29:34 PM #239:	SH_expert44 posted... gunplagirl posted... And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women These injuries are common yet extremely rare. Didn't read anything past this. This is pretty much always the lefts logic. --- The best advice my dad ever gave me was, "Life's full of idiots, don't be one." <cite>rahasperj posted [p:912454312] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women</quote> These injuries are common yet extremely rare.</quote> Didn't read anything past this. This is pretty much always the lefts logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 11/15/18 1:35:13 PM #240:	I dont think non-medical people should be giving their opinion as 100% correct. Theres intersex people as well with genetic mutations that isnt cut and dry male/female even if you ignore the trans issue. Obviously there is a difference between your average male and female athlete and it should be up to medical doctors to determine a criteria that allows fair play. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:912454634] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>I dont think non-medical people should be giving their opinion as 100% correct. Theres intersex people as well with genetic mutations that isnt cut and dry male/female even if you ignore the trans issue. Obviously there is a difference between your average male and female athlete and it should be up to medical doctors to determine a criteria that allows fair play.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/15/18 1:39:49 PM #241:	Trigg3rH4ppy posted... Naturally born female mma fighters need to all agree to just refuse to fight trans fighters. Yeah the trans fighters will "win" by forfeit, but nobody wants to pay to watch people forfeit fights, and then UFC/etc WILL separate them if everyone just keeps forfeiting every match and not allowing these trans fighters to actually fight. It would be awesome if there were enough trans fighters to give them their own division. Umm, pretty sure MMA fighters can turn down fights for any reason. Not necessarily a great career move but I think their contracts allow for them to choose not to face an opponent they don't want to face. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:912454865] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted...</cite> <quote>Naturally born female mma fighters need to all agree to just refuse to fight trans fighters. Yeah the trans fighters will "win" by forfeit, but nobody wants to pay to watch people forfeit fights, and then UFC/etc WILL separate them if everyone just keeps forfeiting every match and not allowing these trans fighters to actually fight. It would be awesome if there were enough trans fighters to give them their own division.</quote> Umm, pretty sure MMA fighters can turn down fights for any reason. Not necessarily a great career move but I think their contracts allow for them to choose not to face an opponent they don't want to face.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/15/18 1:44:06 PM #242:	ROBANN_88 posted... It's a strange world we live in when men are better at being women than actual women Come on, Rob. You're better than comments like that. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:912455097] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a strange world we live in when men are better at being women than actual women</quote> Come on, Rob. You're better than comments like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/15/18 2:09:49 PM #243:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Trigg3rH4ppy posted... Naturally born female mma fighters need to all agree to just refuse to fight trans fighters. Yeah the trans fighters will "win" by forfeit, but nobody wants to pay to watch people forfeit fights, and then UFC/etc WILL separate them if everyone just keeps forfeiting every match and not allowing these trans fighters to actually fight. It would be awesome if there were enough trans fighters to give them their own division. Umm, pretty sure MMA fighters can turn down fights for any reason. Not necessarily a great career move but I think their contracts allow for them to choose not to face an opponent they don't want to face. Interesting note. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0tXP17GgqU" data-time=" It's right there in the title of the video. When asked about it, Rousey mentioned the unfair advantage, but said she'd beat Fox anyway. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912456443] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted...</cite> <quote>Naturally born female mma fighters need to all agree to just refuse to fight trans fighters. Yeah the trans fighters will "win" by forfeit, but nobody wants to pay to watch people forfeit fights, and then UFC/etc WILL separate them if everyone just keeps forfeiting every match and not allowing these trans fighters to actually fight. It would be awesome if there were enough trans fighters to give them their own division.</quote> Umm, pretty sure MMA fighters can turn down fights for any reason. Not necessarily a great career move but I think their contracts allow for them to choose not to face an opponent they don't want to face.</quote> Interesting note. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0tXP17GgqU" data-time=" It's right there in the title of the video. When asked about it, Rousey mentioned the unfair advantage, but said she'd beat Fox anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 11/15/18 2:19:12 PM #244:	just make all sports mixed-gender problem solved --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:912456968] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>just make all sports mixed-gender problem solved</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 11/15/18 2:20:43 PM #245:	mario2000 posted... just make all sports mixed-gender problem solved Obvious problem with that, but I think there's a good talking point to be developed somewhere from there. --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:912457044] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>just make all sports mixed-gender problem solved</quote> Obvious problem with that, but I think there's a good talking point to be developed somewhere from there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/15/18 3:40:39 PM #246:	mario2000 posted... just make all sports mixed-gender problem solved There is no way you have ever played a sport seriously if youre proposing that. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:912461455] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>just make all sports mixed-gender problem solved</quote> There is no way you have ever played a sport seriously if youre proposing that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 11/15/18 3:53:03 PM #247:	SaithSayer posted... Forlorn_Ass posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Knowledge_King posted... If you were born a man, you don't fight women They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender Uh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eixph5NV8Pg" data-time=" LOL! Transgenders should be in the mens division anyway. Female to male? Guess what you have to fight a guy. Make to female? Guess what, yeah you still have to fight a guy. Makes it much more fair that way. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:912462113] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaithSayer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Forlorn_Ass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote> If you were born a man, you don't fight women</quote> They were born women, though. Their body just didn't match their gender</quote> Uh...</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eixph5NV8Pg" data-time="</quote> LOL! Transgenders should be in the mens division anyway. Female to male? Guess what you have to fight a guy. Make to female? Guess what, yeah you still have to fight a guy. Makes it much more fair that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 3:56:50 PM #248:	Dragonblade01 posted... @OctilIery I was slightly mistaken. It was cycling, not track and field. (Fun fact: It's really difficult to find the right article when you have the wrong sport, lol) https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/rachel-mckinnon-becomes-first-transgender-woman-win-track-world-title-397473 A couple key quotes: Rachel McKinnon has entered the history books as the first transgender woman to win a cycling world title. McKinnon, who races both on the track and the road, won the womens 35-44 sprint during the UCI Masters Track Cycling World Championships in Los Angeles on Sunday. Dr Rachel McKinnon was born a biological male but identifies as a trans woman and is a campaigner for trans rights. Replying to a tweet by Katie Hopkins, runner up Jennifer Wagner said: I was the third place rider. Its definitely not fair. McKinnon added that Wagner had beaten her in 10 of their last 12 races, including the 500-metre time trial earlier in the week. Transgender athletes have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2004 but under the requirement they had undergone gender confirmation surgery and been on hormone therapy for two years. In 2015, these rules were relaxed to remove the need for surgery and the athletes must have a testosterone level below a certain limit for at least 12 months prior to their first competition. Of course, in fairness, the specific regulations that are to be followed for MtF transgender people participating in competition are still very much up for debate. After all, in the same article it mentions that the permissible amount of testosterone will be halved for the 2020 Olympics. Awesome, thank you very much! I'm glad to hear they're working on it because I don't want them banned entirely, I just want a fair playing field. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912462304] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>@OctilIery I was slightly mistaken. It was cycling, not track and field. (Fun fact: It's really difficult to find the right article when you have the wrong sport, lol) https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/rachel-mckinnon-becomes-first-transgender-woman-win-track-world-title-397473 A couple key quotes: <quote>Rachel McKinnon has entered the history books as the first transgender woman to win a cycling world title. McKinnon, who races both on the track and the road, won the womens 35-44 sprint during the UCI Masters Track Cycling World Championships in Los Angeles on Sunday. Dr Rachel McKinnon was born a biological male but identifies as a trans woman and is a campaigner for trans rights.</quote> <quote>Replying to a tweet by Katie Hopkins, runner up Jennifer Wagner said: I was the third place rider. Its definitely not fair. McKinnon added that Wagner had beaten her in 10 of their last 12 races, including the 500-metre time trial earlier in the week.</quote> <quote>Transgender athletes have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2004 but under the requirement they had undergone gender confirmation surgery and been on hormone therapy for two years. In 2015, these rules were relaxed to remove the need for surgery and the athletes must have a testosterone level below a certain limit for at least 12 months prior to their first competition.</quote> Of course, in fairness, the specific regulations that are to be followed for MtF transgender people participating in competition are still very much up for debate. After all, in the same article it mentions that the permissible amount of testosterone will be halved for the 2020 Olympics.</quote> Awesome, thank you very much! I'm glad to hear they're working on it because I don't want them banned entirely, I just want a fair playing field.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/15/18 4:06:57 PM #249:	CyricZ posted... Knowledge_King posted... That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose. I think it's an important thing to remind ourselves of, given that there's a perception that the moment transwomen step into the competition they immediately dominate everything without question. Transitioning enables them to succeed more than they would with men, it doesnt mean they win everything. For example, I was average at the mens D1 college tennis level. If I claimed to be trans and played women, I would have completely dominated the womens college level and may have even been an ok pro, but I would still lose to top pros. On the mens pro tour I would get thrashed at all levels. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:912462865] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose.</quote> I think it's an important thing to remind ourselves of, given that there's a perception that the moment transwomen step into the competition they immediately dominate everything without question. </quote> Transitioning enables them to succeed more than they would with men, it doesnt mean they win everything. For example, I was average at the mens D1 college tennis level. If I claimed to be trans and played women, I would have completely dominated the womens college level and may have even been an ok pro, but I would still lose to top pros. On the mens pro tour I would get thrashed at all levels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 11/15/18 4:16:18 PM #250:	Dragonblade01 posted... kayoticdreamz posted... Anyone that thinks trans women should be competing against women is to blinded by idealogy to have a rational discussion with Also notice it's never trans men fighting men. The fact is contrary to idealogy the sexes are different. I don't think it's automatically case that transwomen should never be permitted to compete against ciswomen, so long as regulations are in place to regulate fairness. ssjevot posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The better solution is to recognize that segregating sports through such a simple metric is perhaps not the best method in the first place. Yep. I am in agreement with this. But also don't support the anti-science radicals that keep trying to say physiology isn't impacted by sex. Which requires some serious disconnects from reality. We could probably use some of the regulations put in place to restrict transgender participation as a baseline for such a system as well, along with regulations seen in other sports (such as weight divisions). Theres no case for them competing against each other Like it not the two sexes are different. Men are physically stronger than women 99.99% "of the time. Playing dress up, taking some pills that would otherwise disqualify you but we don't want to offend trans folks, and fighting actual women and calling it fair, is bullshit I refuse to use the term " cis" <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:912463352] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone that thinks trans women should be competing against women is to blinded by idealogy to have a rational discussion with Also notice it's never trans men fighting men. The fact is contrary to idealogy the sexes are different.</quote> I don't think it's automatically case that transwomen should never be permitted to compete against ciswomen, so long as regulations are in place to regulate fairness. <cite>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The better solution is to recognize that segregating sports through such a simple metric is perhaps not the best method in the first place.</quote> Yep. I am in agreement with this. But also don't support the anti-science radicals that keep trying to say physiology isn't impacted by sex. Which requires some serious disconnects from reality.</quote> We could probably use some of the regulations put in place to restrict transgender participation as a baseline for such a system as well, along with regulations seen in other sports (such as weight divisions).</quote> Theres no case for them competing against each other Like it not the two sexes are different. Men are physically stronger than women 99.99% "of the time. Playing dress up, taking some pills that would otherwise disqualify you but we don't want to offend trans folks, and fighting actual women and calling it fair, is bullshit I refuse to use the term " cis"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/15/18 4:44:07 PM #251:	tennisdude818 posted... CyricZ posted... Knowledge_King posted... That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose. I think it's an important thing to remind ourselves of, given that there's a perception that the moment transwomen step into the competition they immediately dominate everything without question. Transitioning enables them to succeed more than they would with men, it doesnt mean they win everything. For example, I was average at the mens D1 college tennis level. If I claimed to be trans and played women, I would have completely dominated the womens college level and may have even been an ok pro, but I would still lose to top pros. On the mens pro tour I would get thrashed at all levels. Can you point to an example of a post-op transgender who has done this, though? Fallon Fox lost to a second tier at best fighter that now fights at a weight class 20 pounds lower than her. She has 5 wins -- 2 of those are against women who themselves have no wins, another is against someone who is 2-8. The best record any of her opponents have is seriously 4-3 So we're not talking about her dominating high level competition, these are seriously entry level events on the regional circuit. Maybe similar to playing A league minor baseball --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912464826] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>That's a dumb point to bring up, that no one complains when transwomen lose.</quote> I think it's an important thing to remind ourselves of, given that there's a perception that the moment transwomen step into the competition they immediately dominate everything without question. </quote> Transitioning enables them to succeed more than they would with men, it doesnt mean they win everything. For example, I was average at the mens D1 college tennis level. If I claimed to be trans and played women, I would have completely dominated the womens college level and may have even been an ok pro, but I would still lose to top pros. On the mens pro tour I would get thrashed at all levels.</quote> Can you point to an example of a post-op transgender who has done this, though? Fallon Fox lost to a second tier at best fighter that now fights at a weight class 20 pounds lower than her. She has 5 wins -- 2 of those are against women who themselves have no wins, another is against someone who is 2-8. The best record any of her opponents have is seriously 4-3 So we're not talking about her dominating high level competition, these are seriously entry level events on the regional circuit. Maybe similar to playing A league minor baseball</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/15/18 4:55:28 PM #252:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ROBANN_88 posted... It's a strange world we live in when men are better at being women than actual women Come on, Rob. You're better than comments like that. yeah, probably --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:912465497] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a strange world we live in when men are better at being women than actual women</quote> Come on, Rob. You're better than comments like that.</quote> yeah, probably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/15/18 4:56:16 PM #253:	kayoticdreamz posted... Men are physically stronger than women 99.99% "of the time I feel this is less fact and more personal fantasy, possibly by someone who got beat up by his sister once or twice as a kid. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912465541] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>Men are physically stronger than women 99.99% "of the time</quote> I feel this is less fact and more personal fantasy, possibly by someone who got beat up by his sister once or twice as a kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 11/15/18 4:58:43 PM #254:	I cant support or accept any sport that doesnt see the advantage one gets by this. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:912465675] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>I cant support or accept any sport that doesnt see the advantage one gets by this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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