Current Events > Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponent's Skull

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https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/
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No surprise there

Athletics is definitely one thing we all need to agree is too impacted by sex-at-birth.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

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Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?
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This is from 2014

And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA

Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women
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Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Fallon is a woman so you're spot on there
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Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

I fucking hate your kind.

gunplagirl posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Fallon is a woman so you're spot on there

Fallon is a biological male.
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gunplagirl posted...

This is from 2014

And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA

Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women

Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity.

OBCD posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

I fucking hate your kind.

Someone who respects science? Do you think the male vs female differentiation in sports is because one wants to play with dolls at an early age?
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Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Because safety and fairness take a backseat to feels.
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Squall28 posted...

OBCD posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

I fucking hate your kind.

Someone who respects science? Do you think the male vs female differentiation in sports is because one wants to play with dolls at an early age?

Fuck off. You don't respect science or you'd support transgenders.

Squall28 posted...

Someone who respects science?

Lmfao ccrrriiiinnnngggeeee!!! hahaha Thanks for reaffirming.

tennisdude818 posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Because safety and fairness take a backseat to feels.

I bet the girl who got her skull broken feels pretty bad.
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Squall28 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Fallon is a woman so you're spot on there

Fallon is a biological male.

Literal geneticists disagree because
1) the wording is a misnomer at best
2) there's exceptions and not just intersex people but ones like from that topic the other day where a man didn't have testicles at all
3) have you even been phenotyped and genotyped to determine your chromosomes
4) have you done the same for her genetic material?

Stop using a bull shit and unscientific phrase like "biological male" or else you deserve to be called out for it
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if we keep this going on, literally every record in womens sports will be held by trans women.

tbh, I dont really give a shit, but it invalidates it. biological men are so much more naturally athletic and gifted than the average woman that it really isnt fair. I just dont think this issue is a hill we should die on and kinda accept it.
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Squall28 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Because safety and fairness take a backseat to feels.

I bet the girl who got her skull broken feels pretty bad.

Her feelings dont count, apparently.
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OBCD posted...

Squall28 posted...

Someone who respects science?

Lmfao ccrrriiiinnnngggeeee!!! hahaha Thanks for reaffirming.

...and you have no argument. Good job. Way to discount thousands of years of evolution so you can ride on your high horse.
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Here's an idea: how about we stop putting so much stock in stupid sports? Playing games should be for fun.
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metralo posted...

Athletics is definitely one thing we all need to agree is too impacted by sex-at-birth.

...Have you seen this board?
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OctilIery posted...

gunplagirl posted...

This is from 2014

And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA

Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women

Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity.

That same "unfair advantage" bull shit has been brought up when pointing out how most professional athletes in football, basketball, and races (especially endurance ones) are black. And yes, there's differences in bone and muscle density between races, there's this entire specialized field called "forensic anthropology" and that's one of the biggest things you learn in that field.

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. You're probably not even pro-lgb.

But surely you know more than the god damned medical and scientific people who ultimately established the guidelines for Olympic participants. And the guidelines Fallon is participating under are stricter than the Olympic ones.
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Sad how Futurama predicted this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqXBH7RymUU" data-time="
sports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc_MxH1mdng" data-time="
Caitlin Jenner winning woman of the year for doing jack shit
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metralo posted...

if we keep this going on, literally every record in womens sports will be held by trans women.

tbh, I dont really give a shit, but it invalidates it. biological men are so much more naturally athletic and gifted than the average woman that it really isnt fair. I just dont think this issue is a hill we should die on and kinda accept it.

Trans women are women sooooo

Also, do you really think that trans women (emphasis on the women part) would be able to stand a chance against teenagers in gymnastics or figure skating?
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OctilIery posted...

Squall28 posted...

OBCD posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

I fucking hate your kind.

Someone who respects science? Do you think the male vs female differentiation in sports is because one wants to play with dolls at an early age?

Fuck off. You don't respect science or you'd support transgenders.

Do you know what chromosomes are?
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gunplagirl posted...

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people.

Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?
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gunplagirl posted...

OctilIery posted...

gunplagirl posted...

This is from 2014

And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA

Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women

Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity.

That same "unfair advantage" bull shit has been brought up when pointing out how most professional athletes in football, basketball, and races (especially endurance ones) are black. And yes, there's differences in bone and muscle density between races, there's this entire specialized field called "forensic anthropology" and that's one of the biggest things you learn in that field.

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. You're probably not even pro-lgb.

But surely you know more than the god damned medical and scientific people who ultimately established the guidelines for Olympic participants. And the guidelines Fallon is participating under are stricter than the Olympic ones.

ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community.

I'm not saying a blanket ban on all transgender contestants needs to happen, but it DOES need to be considered, as there is little difference between letting many biological women participate, and letting men participate.

dave_is_slick posted...

gunplagirl posted...

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people.

Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?

It's literally in the fucking phrase LGBT. If you say you support it but not one you're not actually supporting it.

I'm not the pathetic one, it would be the cis people who insist they know more about trans people than trans people or the actual doctors and specialists who study and treat trans people.
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Squall28 posted...

OctilIery posted...

Squall28 posted...

OBCD posted...

Squall28 posted...

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

I fucking hate your kind.

Someone who respects science? Do you think the male vs female differentiation in sports is because one wants to play with dolls at an early age?

Fuck off. You don't respect science or you'd support transgenders.

Do you know what chromosomes are?

Yes I do, I also know they have no real relevance here.

dave_is_slick posted...

gunplagirl posted...

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people.

Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?

For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with.
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gunplagirl posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

gunplagirl posted...

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people.

Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?

It's literally in the fucking phrase LGBT. If you say you support it but not one you're not actually supporting it.

I'm not the pathetic one, it would be the cis people who insist they know more about trans people than trans people or the actual doctors and specialists who study and treat trans people.

Except what I'm saying is also said by all of those. Supporting a group does not mean you immediately side with them in everything, it means you give them the same fair consideration you give anyone else.

OctilIery posted...

Yes I do, I also know they have no real relevance here.

Do you think Fallon Fox who literally impregnated a women lacks a Y chromosome?
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Is this really the best example to address the issue of transgender people in sports? Pretty sure that any time you put two people in the ring together, there's a risk of major damage.

gunplagirl posted...

metralo posted...

if we keep this going on, literally every record in womens sports will be held by trans women.

tbh, I dont really give a shit, but it invalidates it. biological men are so much more naturally athletic and gifted than the average woman that it really isnt fair. I just dont think this issue is a hill we should die on and kinda accept it.

Trans women are women sooooo

Also, do you really think that trans women (emphasis on the women part) would be able to stand a chance against teenagers in gymnastics or figure skating?

Actually those I'm against exclusion because the hormones don't have nearly the same effect,as I understand it. But I don't know nearly as much about the athleticism behind gymnastics and figure skating, or how necessary a gender separation is for those sports.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Is this really the best example to address the issue of transgender people in sports?

Yes actually since that was a concern a lot of people had when they did this. Not this exact scenario though.
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Squall28 posted...

OctilIery posted...

Yes I do, I also know they have no real relevance here.

Do you think Fallon Fox who literally impregnated a women lacks a Y chromosome?

I know it really doesn't matter.

The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.

How does it not matter? In any other species, the male provides the sperm, and impregnates the females eggs. It's a physical distinction. Your feelings don't decide your sex. Your physical body does.
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Hmm... I wonder how that happened?
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OctilIery posted...

gunplagirl posted...

OctilIery posted...

gunplagirl posted...

This is from 2014

And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA

Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women

Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity.

That same "unfair advantage" bull shit has been brought up when pointing out how most professional athletes in football, basketball, and races (especially endurance ones) are black. And yes, there's differences in bone and muscle density between races, there's this entire specialized field called "forensic anthropology" and that's one of the biggest things you learn in that field.

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. You're probably not even pro-lgb.

But surely you know more than the god damned medical and scientific people who ultimately established the guidelines for Olympic participants. And the guidelines Fallon is participating under are stricter than the Olympic ones.

ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community.

I'm not saying a blanket ban on all transgender contestants needs to happen, but it DOES need to be considered, as there is little difference between letting many biological women participate, and letting men participate.

If you ever say "I'm pro (anything) BUT" then guess what that means? The but means you've got some nitpicking exception and that exception means no, you're not actually pro-T. You're ignoring the much more immediate effects of hormones and to even compete a trans athlete needs to have been on them for 2 years. In the case of fallon it was also required she be post GCS. You said stuff about it being the accepted medical community concensus but you ignored everything that actually makes those meaningful differences between them.

And yes, those differenced do go away after being on hormones, trans athletes actually have to test at lower t levels than a large amount of cis women can naturally get to throughout the ovulation cycle. As a result of those low t levels it's harder to maintain muscle mass than it is for cis women. Bone density being used as an excuse is also a common argument used against black athletes.

So no, you're not pro LGBT if you want to use outdated or false evidence to verify throwing the T under the bus. Maybe try listening to trans people instead of saying you know better and you might actually be on your way to being pro T.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Is this really the best example to address the issue of transgender people in sports?

Yes actually since that was a concern a lot of people had when they did this. Not this exact scenario though.

I recognize that the concern was there. What I want to know is if that concern is actually well-founded, or if this is simply something that can and does happen at times during fights.

Squall28 posted...

How does it not matter? In any other species, the male provides the sperm, and impregnates the females eggs. It's a physical distinction. Your feelings don't decide your sex. Your physical body does.

We aren't talking about sex.

nemu posted...

The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.

Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender.

Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?
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Why are you the way you are @gunplagirl

You literally chase everyone away that agrees on shit with you by acting like you have a stick up your ass about one nitpicking thing in their position.

Its just fucking inflammatory behavior for no reason.
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gunplagirl posted...

Maybe try listening to trans people

Should we listen to schizoprenic people when they say they hear voices? Should we tell them that despite there physically not being any sound that's even recordable, that there is indeed a sound? How are they the expert when their beliefs different from the facts? You are spouting nonsense.
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QwelzaarKane posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

gunplagirl posted...

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people.

Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?

For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with.

"How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Why are you the way you are @gunplagirl

You literally chase everyone away that agrees on shit with you by acting like you have a stick up your ass about one nitpicking thing in their position.

Its just fucking inflammatory behavior for no reason.

gunplagirl is a prime example of someone who tries to be so incredibly progressive that they end up being regressive.

*Gasp* I can't believe it
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OctilIery posted...

Squall28 posted...

How does it not matter? In any other species, the male provides the sperm, and impregnates the females eggs. It's a physical distinction. Your feelings don't decide your sex. Your physical body does.

We aren't talking about sex.

Look at my first post.

Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard?

Then you guys decided to mob me.
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