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Cocytus
11/02/18 12:50:50 PM
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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/439ggw/trump-troops-border-rocks-migrants

" President Donald Trump said Thursday he planned to sign an executive order next week tightening asylum rules and urged U.S. troops at the border to fire on migrants if they threw rocks.

The comments, made in a speech at the White House, continued Trumps hard-line anti-immigration rhetoric ahead of the midterms, including attempts to whip up fears over a caravan of Central American migrants headed for the U.S. border.

Trump said his team was preparing an executive action that would restrict asylum claims to legal ports of entry, preventing undocumented migrants from claiming asylum if caught crossing the border illegally.

He said the measure was to address rampant abuse of the system but offered no details on how the order, which would inevitably face a legal challenge, would work. Current U.S. immigration laws allow anyone who arrives in the country, whether or not at a designated port of arrival to apply for asylum if they have a well-founded fear of persecution in their home country.

Trump also raised the prospect that U.S. troops could fire on members of the caravan should they reach the border.

Referring to reported clashes between security forces and the migrants as they crossed from Guatemala into Mexico, Trump said U.S. troops would fight back against any rocks being thrown at them.

They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back, the president told reporters. "I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police, I say: Consider it a rifle.

Asked if he thought it likely soldiers would open fire on the migrants, he said: I hope not but it's the military.

The remarks prompted derision from veterans online, who pointed out that shooting rock-throwing civilians would violate the rules of engagement.

U.S. military rules only allow deadly force to be used in cases where the target poses an imminent threat of death or serious injury.

But in cases where U.S. border forces have fired over the border before, thats proven something of a grey area, with agents asked to take in the "totality of the circumstances, to include the size and nature of the projectiles" to determine whether there's an imminent danger.

Trump has ordered thousands of additional soldiers to the southern border in recent weeks, raising concerns it could set a dangerous precedent. He said Wednesday that the surge could eventually involve 15,000 troops, which would be the largest domestic deployment of active soldiers in modern U.S. history. Meanwhile, some senior-level Defense Department officers think the move is politically-motivated and a waste of money, according to internal Pentagon documents obtained by Newsweek.

Trump has also threatened to close border crossings, and cut funding to the migrants countries of origin. Tent cities would be used to house any asylum seekers, he also warned.

Continuing the hard-line approach, Trump promoted a widely criticized political ad Wednesday that implied members of the migrant caravan could be cop killers. The spot, panned as racist and fear-mongering, was also factually inaccurate.
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apolloooo
11/02/18 12:53:55 PM
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What could go wrong?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
11/02/18 12:56:01 PM
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Pro-tip.

Don't throw rocks at armed soldiers.

I mean, whether or not you think this is good or bad, it's fatally fucking stupid to literally assault the most powerful nations border and their border protection.

Trump is dog shit but this is as okay as saying the sky is blue.
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ultimate reaver
11/02/18 12:56:13 PM
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Gear up for a bloodbath folks, as rotten as it makes me feel inside to say that with a sigh and a shrug.
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Axiom
11/02/18 12:56:32 PM
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Most of the servicemen will ignore this. Unfortunately it only takes one idiot to cause mayhem
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Webmaster4531
11/02/18 12:57:50 PM
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It just takes one psychopath to lie about a rock.
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eston
11/02/18 12:59:46 PM
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Asked if he thought it likely soldiers would open fire on the migrants, he said: I hope not but it's the military.

The remarks prompted derision from veterans online, who pointed out that shooting rock-throwing civilians would violate the rules of engagement.

The man literally thinks the military just goes around shooting people simply because they are the military
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lincoln002
11/02/18 1:07:27 PM
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eston posted...
Asked if he thought it likely soldiers would open fire on the migrants, he said: I hope not but it's the military.

The remarks prompted derision from veterans online, who pointed out that shooting rock-throwing civilians would violate the rules of engagement.

The man literally thinks the military just goes around shooting people simply because they are the military


That sounds about right though, unless you think the police are more aggressive than the military seeing as they basically go around shooting people for no reason a lot of the time.
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Cocytus
11/02/18 1:08:33 PM
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If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?
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southcoast09
11/02/18 1:09:31 PM
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Axiom posted...
Most of the servicemen will ignore this. Unfortunately it only takes one idiot to cause mayhem

Thats idealistic thinking. Soldiers dont just ignore orders because they are pissy about who the president is.
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southcoast09
11/02/18 1:10:59 PM
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Cocytus posted...
If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?

What are you suggesting? Do you realize that if we let a group this big DEMAND to be let it, then we would essentially just do away with out border because we would be setting precedent? There would be a convoy every week and we are already over capacity.
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Cocytus
11/02/18 1:12:25 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
. Soldiers dont just ignore orders

That's for damn sure.
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EdgeMaster
11/02/18 1:13:29 PM
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We already had this topic.

Consensus was youre asking for a Darwin Award if you throw a rock at someone with a gun, especially when demanding to be let into a country while simultaneously disregarding their immigration laws and process.
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thronedfire2
11/02/18 1:15:00 PM
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lincoln002 posted...
eston posted...
Asked if he thought it likely soldiers would open fire on the migrants, he said: I hope not but it's the military.

The remarks prompted derision from veterans online, who pointed out that shooting rock-throwing civilians would violate the rules of engagement.

The man literally thinks the military just goes around shooting people simply because they are the military


That sounds about right though, unless you think the police are more aggressive than the military seeing as they basically go around shooting people for no reason a lot of the time.


Police have less strict RoE than the military.
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Cocytus
11/02/18 1:15:03 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Cocytus posted...
If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?

What are you suggesting? Do you realize that if we let a group this big DEMAND to be let it, then we would essentially just do away with out border because we would be setting precedent? There would be a convoy every week and we are already over capacity.

I'm not suggesting anything. And that's a rolling rock fallacy. The border has been as porous as it's ever been and we haven't experienced your hypothetical scenario.
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Duncanwii
11/02/18 1:15:28 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Cocytus posted...
If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?

What are you suggesting? Do you realize that if we let a group this big DEMAND to be let it, then we would essentially just do away with out border because we would be setting precedent? There would be a convoy every week and we are already over capacity.

We can turn them away with out murdering children. Are you saying murder is the only answer?
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Cocytus
11/02/18 1:16:42 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
We already had this topic.

Consensus was youre asking for a Darwin Award if you throw a rock at someone with a gun, especially when demanding to be let into a country while simultaneously disregarding their immigration laws and process.

I searched first but didn't find anything. Sorry if old.
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Cocytus
11/02/18 1:17:08 PM
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Outer_space posted...
Shoot the rocks out of their hands,

lol, they should be so precise.
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southcoast09
11/02/18 1:18:01 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Cocytus posted...
If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?

What are you suggesting? Do you realize that if we let a group this big DEMAND to be let it, then we would essentially just do away with out border because we would be setting precedent? There would be a convoy every week and we are already over capacity.

We can turn them away with out murdering children. Are you saying murder is the only answer?

I never said that. Also, its not murder to shoot somebody who is throwing deadly projectiles at you. Fact. So lets get the rhetoric right. But something tells me you already knew the definition of murder and chose that word to make your narrative look better than mine. Nice try.
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Axiom
11/02/18 1:19:10 PM
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Lol I like how the people defending this all act like a rock thrown by a refugee/migrant from a distance at someone in full combat gear is anything more than an annoyance
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Webmaster4531
11/02/18 1:22:22 PM
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Spooking posted...
This is what the caravan did while entering Mexico:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qxaCRMSamI" data-time="

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Dampproof
11/02/18 1:23:44 PM
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Riot Police have more patience than this.
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EdgeMaster
11/02/18 1:31:57 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Cocytus posted...
If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?

What are you suggesting? Do you realize that if we let a group this big DEMAND to be let it, then we would essentially just do away with out border because we would be setting precedent? There would be a convoy every week and we are already over capacity.

We can turn them away with out murdering children. Are you saying murder is the only answer?

I never said that. Also, its not murder to shoot somebody who is throwing deadly projectiles at you. Fact. So lets get the rhetoric right. But something tells me you already knew the definition of murder and chose that word to make your narrative look better than mine. Nice try.


Good post.

Axiom posted...
Lol I like how the people defending this all act like a rock thrown by a refugee/migrant from a distance at someone in full combat gear is anything more than an annoyance


A thrown rock can kill but prob wont. However, why would you ever throw a rock at someone with a gun when youre peacefully seeking asylum?
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Webmaster4531
11/02/18 1:34:59 PM
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It just takes one psychopath to lie about a rock.
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Typhon
11/02/18 1:42:21 PM
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Anyone who throws a rock at another person deserves to be shot.
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EdgeMaster
11/02/18 1:44:50 PM
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Typhon posted...
Anyone who throws a rock at another person deserves to be shot.


Found the racist.
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Vicious_Dios
11/02/18 1:56:37 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
Typhon posted...
Anyone who throws a rock at another person deserves to be shot.


Found the racist.


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Pro-tip.

Don't throw rocks at armed soldiers.

I mean, whether or not you think this is good or bad, it's fatally fucking stupid to literally assault the most powerful nations border and their border protection.

Trump is dog shit but this is as okay as saying the sky is blue.

southcoast09 posted...
Cocytus posted...
If this actually happens it's going to be the biggest news story of the year and one of the lowest points in our history. Can you imagine if they shoot children?

What are you suggesting? Do you realize that if we let a group this big DEMAND to be let it, then we would essentially just do away with out border because we would be setting precedent? There would be a convoy every week and we are already over capacity.

Typhon posted...
Anyone who throws a rock at another person deserves to be shot.


These.
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Irregardless
11/02/18 1:58:50 PM
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I love how we've come to a point where the slaughter of thousands is apparently justified because someone threw a rock.
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Cocytus
11/02/18 2:00:02 PM
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Rock, paper, scissors, gun...nah I don't think rocks and guns go together.
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Peter_Griffin33
11/02/18 2:01:44 PM
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Apparently the armchair generals think stone throwing is equal to a massacre of civilians. I hope none of you that support this are gun owners or in the military. Because you are seriously unhinged and should see a therapist before you murder a person.
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Oatcakes
11/02/18 2:03:08 PM
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Peter_Griffin33 posted...
Apparently the armchair generals think stone throwing is equal to a massacre of civilians. I hope none of you that support this are gun owners or in the military. Because you are seriously unhinged and should see a therapist before you murder a person.


Implying gun owners aren't unhinged in the first place.
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solosnake
11/02/18 2:06:43 PM
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And I got warned for saying that they would get shot down.

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UnholyMudcrab
11/02/18 2:08:04 PM
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Trump is literally using some of the same arguments about the caravan that the Pittsburgh shooter was using
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Axiom
11/02/18 2:09:39 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Trump is literally using some of the same arguments about the caravan that the Pittsburgh shooter was using

Why hasn't this blown up more. He literally said they're funded by jews the same as the neo-nazi mass killer
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Irregardless
11/02/18 2:11:43 PM
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Axiom posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Trump is literally using some of the same arguments about the caravan that the Pittsburgh shooter was using

Why hasn't this blown up more. He literally said they're funded by jews the same as the neo-nazi mass killer

You're implying his followers give a shit.
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Antifar
11/02/18 2:31:23 PM
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Most people interpret David as the hero of David and Goliath
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MabusIncarnate
11/02/18 2:36:10 PM
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Eh, i'd post the video if I could, but stuff like this goes on in other countries, and I recently saw a video of some form of SWAT with riot shields going up against protesters throwing rocks, and with a helmet on, on of the guys with a shield caught a rock to the side of the head, dropped down immediately into a seizure, and then died shortly after.

A rock with enough force impacting someone in the head can be fatal, this isn't exactly a joke.
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Freddie_Mercury
11/02/18 2:36:35 PM
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good thing we didnt elect that warmonger hillary
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Cocytus
11/02/18 2:52:57 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Eh, i'd post the video if I could, but stuff like this goes on in other countries, and I recently saw a video of some form of SWAT with riot shields going up against protesters throwing rocks, and with a helmet on, on of the guys with a shield caught a rock to the side of the head, dropped down immediately into a seizure, and then died shortly after.

A rock with enough force impacting someone in the head can be fatal, this isn't exactly a joke.

How will they avoid shooting children though who are bound to be with them?
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ultimate reaver
11/02/18 3:09:12 PM
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if the military cannot handle this situation without being put in life threatening danger from thrown stones unless they open fire into a crowd of people indiscriminately, posting a wall of troops is not the answer to the situation
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ModLogic
11/02/18 3:59:49 PM
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i hope this is the point where mexico says fuck you to usa and lets china or nk build a military base near the border.
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Kaliesto
11/02/18 4:02:24 PM
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I never thought he could go that low, but here we are.
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AsAnIndependent
11/02/18 4:02:54 PM
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ModLogic posted...
i hope mexico makes it easier for countries to invade the us

A totally rational american
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Nomadic View
11/02/18 4:03:30 PM
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They should absolutely use non-lethal force first. Bean-bag guns ideally. But under no circumstances should they allow the aliens to force their way in. Deadly force should be an absolute last resort.
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Peter_Griffin33
11/02/18 4:05:44 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
They should absolutely use non-lethal force first. Bean-bag guns ideally. But under no circumstances should they allow the aliens to force their way in. Deadly force should be an absolute last resort.

Its the US military. They have MRAPs with those microwave crowd dispersal things lmao. Also, if the people claim asylum then they have legal rights to hopefully not get beaten and shot at.
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clearaflagrantj
11/02/18 4:06:30 PM
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This is going to be like that book where children protested the government and they all just got gunned down. Like that's how the book ended, all the kids just straight up died.
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Middle hope
11/02/18 4:07:23 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
This is going to be like that book where children protested the government and they all just got gunned down. Like that's how the book ended, all the kids just straight up died.

Kent state the novel?
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Giant_Aspirin
11/02/18 4:09:38 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Axiom posted...
Most of the servicemen will ignore this. Unfortunately it only takes one idiot to cause mayhem

Thats idealistic thinking. Soldiers dont just ignore orders because they are pissy about who the president is.


nor should soldiers ignore the rules of engagement just because the current PotUS is a racist shithead
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