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Okay, mostly discussion. Just wanted to snowclone the contest discussion topic titles.

So...5 ACC teams in the CFP Top 25, huh? Granted, most of them are near the bottom, but having more teams than the Big Ten, that's a little surprising.

Not that I can really disagree with some of them. Syracuse and Virginia are probably in my top 25, too.
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Talk to your kids about Top 10 Kentucky before someone else does.
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UCF being at 12 feels so political. Same with no ranked Houston

Not that I think they had a chance of making the playoffs anyway but a starting rank of 12 basically gives them zero hope from the get go. They could/should have ranked them like 9 or 10 even if they had no intention of letting them in as people below them could have jumped them based off better wins down the stretch / championship game if they really don't want them in

ShatteredElysium posted...

UCF being at 12 feels so political. Same with no ranked Houston

Not that I think they had a chance of making the playoffs anyway but a starting rank of 12 basically gives them zero hope from the get go. They could/should have ranked them like 9 or 10 even if they had no intention of letting them in as people below them could have jumped them based off better wins down the stretch / championship game if they really don't want them in

Cant wait to end their win streak in the Peach or Fiesta Bowl.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

UCF being at 12 feels so political. Same with no ranked Houston

Not that I think they had a chance of making the playoffs anyway but a starting rank of 12 basically gives them zero hope from the get go. They could/should have ranked them like 9 or 10 even if they had no intention of letting them in as people below them could have jumped them based off better wins down the stretch / championship game if they really don't want them in

The toughest part of their schedule is still ahead of them and they're ranked higher to start than they were last year.
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Right but the SOS argument is bogus because we have seen it in numerous years before where power 5 teams with trash SOS are still in that 5-8 range despite beating nobody. Or where a 1 loss power 5 team ends up in that range despite losing their only game that was tough.

Any power 5 team who is undefeated at this point is guaranteed to be Top 8, probably Top 6 even if their schedule was literally all the bottom dwellers of conference plus terrible OOC schedule. I mean that was basically the Baylor schedule every year where they play nobody, go unbeaten and end up Top 6 and then lose to the first team they play with a pulse. I want to say Wisconsin and Washington did this recently too. Plus I know theres been years where we were ranked Top 10 after beating nobody even if we had a loss on our record

I'm gonna hazard a guess that a team who gives up 40 to Temple is not one of the Top 10 teams in America.
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I have no problem with UCF defense being bad because it was the same last year. They did the Big 12 thing of we are just going to score more than you and that didn't get held against the Big 12

I mean as an OSU fan, any team that let's Purdue hang 49 on them shouldn't be Top 10 either.

You can even flip it the other way too. If you're only scoring 14 and 22 past Vanderbilt then how good are you? Tennessee state put 27 on them.

jcgamer107 posted...

I'm gonna hazard a guess that a team who gives up 40 to Temple is not one of the Top 10 teams in America.

I look forward to playing them actually.

They have one of the best offenses in America (maybe number 2 even....)

We have the best defense in the country.

Their defense blows. Our offense blows.
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Also any other team who had a heisman candidate QB who was playing banged up and/or missing games would get credit for doing what UCF are doing on offense. But because it's UCF there's no credit for them still being highly effective on offense when Milton misses games or plays half dead

This whole season feels pointless. Like who is gonna beat Alabama? The only chink in their armor the last 10 years has been average QB play and now they literally have the best QB in the country. Even their kicker is decent this season.
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WitcherGeralt posted...

This whole season feels pointless. Like who is gonna beat Alabama? The only chink in their armor the last 10 years has been average QB play and now they literally have the best QB in the country. Even their kicker is decent this season.

Youre watching the best team ever...

Just enjoy that, otherwise yes its pointless.
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Alabama being so good is why I feel they should just let UCF in. It's not like anybody is going to beat Bama anyway and who the fuck actually wants to play Bama and get murdered. May as well let UCF play them, get murdered and then it ends the debate.

That being said, I don't think UCF finishes unbeaten unless they find another gear like last year. So whole argument will be pointless by year end.

Bama getting such a good QB was kinda like the Warriors getting Durant

ShatteredElysium posted...

Alabama being so good is why I feel they should just let UCF in. It's not like anybody is going to beat Bama anyway and who the fuck actually wants to play Bama and get murdered. May as well let UCF play them, get murdered and then it ends the debate.

That being said, I don't think UCF finishes unbeaten unless they find another gear like last year. So whole argument will be pointless by year end.

Bama getting such a good QB was kinda like the Warriors getting Durant

Fuck this!!!

I want UCF... if they are out were probably gonna be stuck playing you or OU....

Id really rather not.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

That being said, I don't think UCF finishes unbeaten unless they find another gear like last year.

They already showed they can find another gear against Memphis!
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I don't understand why other teams get a free pass for losing with a hurt QB or missing QB but UCF get hammered for that Memphis game with Milton playing hurt

Man, we are not even a NY6 team never mind playoff team right now. We could end up with 4 losses by year end at this rate

ShatteredElysium posted...

Man, we are not even a NY6 team never mind playoff team right now. We could end up with 4 losses by year end at this rate

Maybe I DO want to play yall in the Peach Bowl....
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Shattered is talking about an entirely different team this time (Ohio State I assume).

I only knew that because it is impossible for UCF to end with four losses before the bowl game.
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Yeah I'm not a UCF fan, I'm a buckeye

KCF0107 posted...

Shattered is talking about an entirely different team this time (Ohio State I assume).

I only knew that because it is impossible for UCF to end with four losses before the bowl game.

KCF0107 posted...

Shattered is talking about an entirely different team this time (Ohio State I assume).

I only knew that because it is impossible for UCF to end with four losses before the bowl game.

I know hes talking OSU.... so am I.

If they are losing to Nebraska maybe I do want them in the Peach Bowl. That would also guarantee we dodge OU.
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that would be amazing if Nebraska won out to make a bowl

by the way though, what the hell is this kickoff

https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/1058758547515867136
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Michigan up 28-0 going into the 4th quarter against Penn State
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SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?
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I think 1 loss Bama gets in but I don't think they lose

Big 12 need OSU to beat Michigan and fron what I've seen this year that looks a big ask. Anything can happen in a rivalry game but this is the first time I've thought we are heavy underdogs

But I also don't think ND is a certainty over Northwestern. Northwestern are a lot better than their 5-3 record

Actually. Who goes to SEC title game if LSU wins out? LSU > Bama and Georgia > LSU in 2 tight games would make for for a crazy finish. I'd imagine Georgia and Bama get in at that point

11/24 gonna be a stressful day
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And who do we have as the NY6 assuming Bama wins?

Sugar UGA
Fiesta UK/LSU
Peach LSU/UK
Rose WSU or whoever?
Peach OSU
Fiesta UCF or whoever?
Fiesta Texas/OU/WVU
Rose... No idea. Do they do OSU here? And if so who goes Peach, who else even in the country has remeoltely earned a NY6 bowl? Florida and Tex A and M died today. Does anyone else in the ACC have a pulse? Do you take the LOSER of the Big XII Title as well?
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Penn State has given up

42-0 now
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Congrats to the Bulldogs.

Were coming for sure, this wont be our last rodeo for these, but absolutely the better team won today.

Good luck in Atlanta
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I was gonna say OSU maybe don't make NY6 with a Michigan loss but then I saw the trainwreck behind us in rankings. Jeeze, that is a drop off.

That being said, Spartans might get us too next week. They always play us tough, it's a road game and we have looked awful for a while now. So potentially end up with 3 losses

ShatteredElysium posted...

I was gonna say OSU maybe don't make NY6 with a Michigan loss but then I saw the trainwreck behind us in rankings. Jeeze, that is a drop off.

That being said, Spartans might get us too next week. They always play us tough, it's a road game and we have looked awful for a while now. So potentially end up with 3 losses

But even if they lose, I mean, who else goes?

Do we literally go 3 SEC 3 Big XII WSU and UCF?

And then Bama, Clemson, ND, Mich in the Playoff?
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I don't know if P5 conferences are still guaranteed a slot in the NY6 era.

WrestIeMania posted...

And who do we have as the NY6 assuming Bama wins?

Sugar UGA
Fiesta UK/LSU
Peach LSU/UK
Rose WSU or whoever?
Peach OSU
Fiesta UCF or whoever?
Fiesta Texas/OU/WVU
Rose... No idea. Do they do OSU here? And if so who goes Peach, who else even in the country has remeoltely earned a NY6 bowl? Florida and Tex A and M died today. Does anyone else in the ACC have a pulse? Do you take the LOSER of the Big XII Title as well?

Ohio State probably winds up in the Rose; they like to take the next available team from the conference when their champion is taken.

No one in the Coastal is worthwhile; they all have 3 losses already so if Clemson were to somehow get upset in the conference championship game it would absolutely give an NY6 bid to a team that would not be in contention for an at-large. Syracuse might still be a longshot for an at-large if they win out to get to 10-2.

As for the Big XII... that's a tough call. Ironically, the best chance they have for getting two teams into the NY6 is probably if OU and WVU split, because then the runner-up has only two losses as well. OU probably has the better at-large credentials so the Sooners winning out until the CCG is probably better.

Right now, here are my picks.

Semifinal games: Bama vs. Michigan, Clemson vs. Notre Dame
Rose Bowl: Washington State vs. Ohio State
Sugar Bowl: Georgia vs. Oklahoma
Fiesta Bowl: LSU vs. UCF
Peach Bowl: Kentucky vs. Syracuse

... yeah, that looks weird. But looking at how many ranked teams fell today, and a lot of the ones that didn't still have tough games left... it's kind of undeniable. If Oklahoma and Syracuse both win out, Syracuse is absolutely an NY6 team barring Clemson losing the ACC championship Game or the OSU-UM winner losing the Big Ten Championship Game. And if Kentucky takes another loss, even one upset wouldn't derail 'Cuse-- ESPECIALLY if that upset is Pitt over Clemson, because that would mean that both of Syracuse's losses would be to NY6 teams. (Seriously, how is Pitt legitimately a contender to go to the ACC Championship Game?)
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ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't know if P5 conferences are still guaranteed a slot in the NY6 era.

They are. It's why teams like Kentucky and, yes, Syracuse will be rooting for Clemson and the OSU-UM and OU-WVU winners to win their conference championship games. In all three of those conferences, the weaker team probably isn't in line for an at-large. (Same is true of the Pac-12, but they're probably a 1-bid conference regardless).
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

And who do we have as the NY6 assuming Bama wins?

Sugar UGA
Fiesta UK/LSU
Peach LSU/UK
Rose WSU or whoever?
Peach OSU
Fiesta UCF or whoever?
Fiesta Texas/OU/WVU
Rose... No idea. Do they do OSU here? And if so who goes Peach, who else even in the country has remeoltely earned a NY6 bowl? Florida and Tex A and M died today. Does anyone else in the ACC have a pulse? Do you take the LOSER of the Big XII Title as well?

Ohio State probably winds up in the Rose; they like to take the next available team from the conference when their champion is taken.

No one in the Coastal is worthwhile; they all have 3 losses already so if Clemson were to somehow get upset in the conference championship game it would absolutely give an NY6 bid to a team that would not be in contention for an at-large. Syracuse might still be a longshot for an at-large if they win out to get to 10-2.

As for the Big XII... that's a tough call. Ironically, the best chance they have for getting two teams into the NY6 is probably if OU and WVU split, because then the runner-up has only two losses as well. OU probably has the better at-large credentials so the Sooners winning out until the CCG is probably better.

Right now, here are my picks.

Semifinal games: Bama vs. Michigan, Clemson vs. Notre Dame
Rose Bowl: Washington State vs. Ohio State
Sugar Bowl: Georgia vs. Oklahoma
Fiesta Bowl: LSU vs. UCF
Peach Bowl: Kentucky vs. Syracuse

... yeah, that looks weird. But looking at how many ranked teams fell today, and a lot of the ones that didn't still have tough games left... it's kind of undeniable. If Oklahoma and Syracuse both win out, Syracuse is absolutely an NY6 team barring Clemson losing the ACC championship Game or the OSU-UM winner losing the Big Ten Championship Game. And if Kentucky takes another loss, even one upset wouldn't derail 'Cuse-- ESPECIALLY if that upset is Pitt over Clemson, because that would mean that both of Syracuse's losses would be to NY6 teams. (Seriously, how is Pitt legitimately a contender to go to the ACC Championship Game?)

Oh yeah... we definitely have to win out (shouldnt be a problem, our hardest game remaining lost to Clemson by 61 today) to assure it, because while 3 loss UK has an argument, you are definitely taking it out of our hands if we lose, especially since our remaining games are against roadkill, and I cant assume they want 4 of the 12 teams to be SEC unless literally everyone else blows. Which, luckily in the ACC and PAC 12 this year is exactly what happened. But still, no reason to give them a chance to take CUse or someone over us
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Yeah, I think 2-loss Kentucky is definitely still in.

That said, I question your threat identification skills. Louisville's only FBS win this season was by a mere 3 points over a 1-8 C-USA team, and the Cards have only even been close in one other game. They're already out of the running for a bowl game now, and you have them in the season finale. Tennessee is 4-5 and has every reason to still think they can fight their way into a low-level bowl, and they actually have a quality win, against Auburn. I would consider next week at Tennessee the "hardest remaining game", not the finale at Louisville. (Though Kentucky should be favored in all their remaining games regardless)
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Yeah, I think 2-loss Kentucky is definitely still in.

That said, I question your threat identification skills. Louisville's only FBS win this season was by a mere 3 points over a 1-8 C-USA team, and the Cards have only even been close in one other game. They're already out of the running for a bowl game now, and you have them in the season finale. Tennessee is 4-5 and has every reason to still think they can fight their way into a low-level bowl, and they actually have a quality win, against Auburn. I would consider next week at Tennessee the "hardest remaining game", not the finale at Louisville. (Though Kentucky should be favored in all their remaining games regardless)

I dont think you understand the dynamic Bobby Petrino and Kentucky have....

I can almost assure you 80% of UK fans would say they are far more scared of Bobbys retirement game than they are Tenn in Knoxville. And with good reason. The guy is like the Boogie Man to us.
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Ah.

Didn't realize there was an extra dynamic there.

Whereas I was well aware that up until very recently, Kentucky seemed to always find a way to lose to Tennessee.
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WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).
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10-2 Kentucky has no chance at the Playoff. 10-2 Kentucky is a lock for an NY6 spot.
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TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

10-2 Kentucky has no chance at the Playoff. 10-2 Kentucky is a lock for an NY6 spot.

I dont think UK could make the Playoff at 10-2. I never said they could.

Just that theyd make the Peach or Fiesta as a lock at 10-2.

Im pretty sure there is no possible way UK makes the Playoff now, even if I was somehow god of college football and could dictate who wins every game from here on out.

Bama wins out. Clemson wins out.
Everyone else in America has at least 2 losses. Georgia would have to have 3.

Michigan and LSU would probably have to lose 3 as well. As Im pretty sure they would be ahead of us as 2 loss teams.

Dont even know if all those things are possible.
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TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).

Has OU lost 2? Or just Texas?

If so are they out but WVU isnt?
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WrestIeMania posted...

TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).

Has OU lost 2? Or just Texas?

If so are they out but WVU isnt?

Down 10 to Texas Tech.
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WrestIeMania posted...

TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).

Has OU lost 2? Or just Texas?

If so are they out but WVU isnt?

OU at 12-1 would have a weaker resume than WVU at 11-1. But 12-1 OU isn't dead yet either.
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TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).

What if Georgia beats Bama in a close game? ND and Clemson finish unbeaten.

Only caught it in the corner of my vision in a restaurant but there looked to be massive holding on that 3rd ND TD allowing him to throw it

ShatteredElysium posted...

TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).

What if Georgia beats Bama in a close game? ND and Clemson finish unbeaten.

If 1 loss Champion Michigan gets left out over 1 loss non Champion Bama... they may very well march on Indianapolis
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WrestIeMania posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

TheOneAboveAll3 posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

SEC winner
Clemson
ND.
If Mich wins out are they a lock? Or would a one loss Bama either tonight or SEC Title game make it over them?
Is the Big 12 officially dead now?

Michigan is a lock if they win out, yes.

Big 12 is not officially dead. 11-1 WVU would still have a strong case. They just need Notre Dame or the Big Ten champ to lose another game (maybe 2 in ND's case).

What if Georgia beats Bama in a close game? ND and Clemson finish unbeaten.

If 1 loss Champion Michigan gets left out over 1 loss non Champion Bama... they may very well march on Indianapolis

If that happens, the Big Ten and Pac 12 will just pack up and leave with the Rose Bowl. They'd be happy, their fans would be happy, and the rest of the country would be pissed.
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