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_REDDIT_
10/19/18 9:41:06 AM
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My sister did just that. One year later they had a healthy normal baby
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Brig_Jackson
10/19/18 9:44:02 AM
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Nah. Theyll be happier and the baby will be happier. Good decision
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Tmaster148
10/19/18 9:45:01 AM
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SquirrelyDan
10/19/18 9:46:36 AM
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Potential 500 topic right here. I have no opinion I'd like to share on this subject, TC.
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ThyCorndog
10/19/18 9:46:36 AM
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no. it's an appeal to emotion
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Letron_James
10/19/18 9:47:42 AM
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No, not if you will be unable or unwilling to properly care for him/her
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MegaCamerupt
10/19/18 9:51:44 AM
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SageHarpuia
10/19/18 11:12:59 AM
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Is it morally wrong to kill a child because it has down syndrome?
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voldothegr8
10/19/18 11:15:01 AM
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Nope, that's a heavy burden to bear for all involved.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/19/18 11:16:26 AM
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The opposite, it's morally wrong to bring a sick child into existence
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/19/18 11:17:35 AM
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Down syndrome is the best reason for abortion.
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CuteWhiteChick
10/19/18 11:17:37 AM
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Its morally wrong to abort any child.
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Dyinglegacy
10/19/18 11:21:15 AM
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It's a form of eugenics. I wouldn't say it's the bad kind, tho.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/19/18 11:22:13 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
It's a form of eugenics. I wouldn't say it's the bad kind, tho.


Careful, you're going to get a poster on here stalking you for the next few years.

Also, it's not really a form of eugenics, down syndrome victims aren't exactly prodigious breeders, aborting stops the individual from living but it's a genetic disorder, not the genes themselves but an extra chromosome.
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SageHarpuia
10/19/18 11:23:37 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
It's a form of eugenics. I wouldn't say it's the bad kind, tho.

>Eugenics
>Good

Pick one
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refmon
10/19/18 11:23:51 AM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
The opposite, it's morally wrong to bring a sick child into existence

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Cocytus
10/19/18 11:28:41 AM
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Not exactly, but you have to remember that the child might be a blessing to you, and selectively aborting babies with health problems or defects is a type of artificial selection that we're supposed to avoid if possible, especially since the Nazis used this practice to try and make a pure aryan race. It begs the question, where does it end? If we agree down syndrome babies should be aborted, what about any baby with a health problem? Should we abort babies with asthma, diabetes, missing limb, deaf, etc.? Insurmountable health problems fall onto a subjective spectrum when we think of what health problems we will or won't tolerate.
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MuayThai85
10/19/18 11:30:04 AM
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IMO, these are the only appropriate situations for abortion.

1. The child will have a severe mental illness or deformity.

2. Carrying the child to term will greatly endanger the mothers life. Eg. The mother is pregnant and has cancer, an abortion is required to start chemo.

3. Rape (not just a simple accusation, requires a police report).

4. Incest.
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SageHarpuia
10/19/18 11:31:29 AM
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MuayThai85 posted...
IMO, these are the only appropriate situations for abortion.

If you concede that there are times when it is inappropriate then how can you justify any of them?
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Cocytus
10/19/18 11:31:35 AM
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MuayThai85 posted...
IMO, these are the only appropriate situations for abortion.

1. The child will have a severe mental illness or deformity.

2. Carrying the child to term will greatly endanger the mothers life. Eg. The mother is pregnant and has cancer, an abortion is required to start chemo.

3. Rape (not just a simple accusation, requires a police report).

4. Incest.

What about abject poverty?
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MuayThai85
10/19/18 11:32:51 AM
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Adoption.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/19/18 11:33:48 AM
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MuayThai85 posted...
3. Rape (not just a simple accusation, requires a police report).


Why this exception?

Either you think rape-babies are subhuman (false and abhorrent)
Or the burden is too great on the mother.
If the burden is too great, who the fuck are you to tell her what situations is it and isn't?
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Maeiv
10/19/18 11:34:02 AM
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Exhibit A: Iceland and Down syndrome
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Cheese_Crackers
10/19/18 11:34:58 AM
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I dont think any abortion is morally wrong.
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MuayThai85
10/19/18 11:36:12 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
3. Rape (not just a simple accusation, requires a police report).


Why this exception?

Either you think rape-babies are subhuman (false and abhorrent)
Or the burden is too great on the mother.
If the burden is too great, who the fuck are you to tell her what situations is it and isn't?


No one should be forced to carry something to term that was a result of a crime. Any other situation a conscious choice was made which led to the pregnancy.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/19/18 11:37:41 AM
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So it's about punishment for choices and not the fetus' welfare or status.
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DevsBro
10/19/18 11:38:49 AM
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CuteWhiteChick posted...
Its morally wrong to abort any child.

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voldothegr8
10/19/18 11:41:11 AM
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MuayThai85 posted...
Adoption.

Because people are lining up to take home a kid with downs.
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Dyinglegacy
10/19/18 11:41:11 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Also, it's not really a form of eugenics, down syndrome victims aren't exactly prodigious breeders, aborting stops the individual from living but it's a genetic disorder, not the genes themselves but an extra chromosome.


Some eugneics extremists see it as weeding out the weak. Some would go beyoned abortion, all the way to straight up execution, such as the holocaust.

I suppose it would depend on the reasons behind the abortion. Where they culling the herd, or just doing it because they wouldn't be able to sufficiently provide, or just didn't want the child to suffer?
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MuayThai85
10/19/18 11:42:45 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
Adoption.

Because people are lining up to take home a kid with downs.


The adoption comment was in regards to the "what about abject poverty?" question. Even a blind person could have figured that out...
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apolloooo
10/19/18 12:07:44 PM
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Brig_Jackson posted...
Nah. Theyll be happier and the baby will be happier. Good decision

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zombiexdeathx
10/19/18 12:14:55 PM
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no, in fact some conditions it ought to be mandatory
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prince_leo
10/19/18 12:16:59 PM
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I think that you should be able to abort for any reason. it has down syndrome, it'll be a girl, you want to keep your body looking good, etc.
morals have nothing to do with it
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EvalAngell
10/19/18 12:17:04 PM
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no and doctors will actually recommend it if they test the mom and there's a chromosome issue.
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Vertania
10/19/18 12:23:08 PM
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Brig_Jackson posted...
Nah. Theyll be happier and the baby will be happier. Good decision

Uh, what?

If you're saying babies with down syndrome don't go on to live happy lives, idk where you're getting that from. I've known a few people with down syndrome and they always seemed happier than everyone else around them.

I still don't see anything wrong with aborting it though. Raising a child with it will take much more effort and will most likely mean the parent will have to care for them into adulthood. There's already enough parents who can't even raise "normal" kids well.
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Mr_Biscuit
10/19/18 12:25:23 PM
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refmon posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
The opposite, it's morally wrong to bring a sick child into existence

I think theres an argument for this tbh

That is just a world of suffering. I work in a school, and Down syndrome isnt even the worst of it. Weve got some kids in a wheelchair with no use of their limbs that do nothing but gurgle, screech, and blow snot bubbles... Im sorry, but what is the point?
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Cocytus
10/19/18 12:27:34 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
refmon posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
The opposite, it's morally wrong to bring a sick child into existence

I think theres an argument for this tbh

That is just a world of suffering. I work in a school, and Down syndrome isnt even the worst of it. Weve got some kids in a wheelchair with no use of their limbs that do nothing but gurgle, screech, and blow snot bubbles... Im sorry, but what is the point?

Well what's the point of having kids at all if they all will get sick and die one day? People should just not have kids and then they'll never have to go through pain and die.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/19/18 12:28:35 PM
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Cocytus posted...
Well what's the point of having kids at all if they all will get sick and die one day? People should just not have kids and then they'll never have to go through pain and die.

No arguments there. I don't plan to reproduce, especially with global warming and all that fucking up our immediate futures

Anyone who has a kid in this day and age is selfish
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Mr_Biscuit
10/19/18 12:29:21 PM
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Cocytus posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
refmon posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
The opposite, it's morally wrong to bring a sick child into existence

I think theres an argument for this tbh

That is just a world of suffering. I work in a school, and Down syndrome isnt even the worst of it. Weve got some kids in a wheelchair with no use of their limbs that do nothing but gurgle, screech, and blow snot bubbles... Im sorry, but what is the point?

Well what's the point of having kids at all if they all will get sick and die one day? People should just not have kids and then they'll never have to go through pain and die.

Im not even going to address your replies if youre not going to even put in an attempt to be intellectually honest
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Questionmarktarius
10/19/18 12:29:25 PM
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No more or less so than a 'vanity' abortion, regardless of personal morals.
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Cocytus
10/19/18 12:29:44 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Cocytus posted...
Well what's the point of having kids at all if they all will get sick and die one day? People should just not have kids and then they'll never have to go through pain and die.

No arguments there. I don't plan to reproduce, especially with global warming and all that fucking up our immediate futures

Anyone who has a kid in this day and age is selfish

Maybe. But nature just keeps bringing babies.
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Cocytus
10/19/18 12:31:53 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
Cocytus posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
refmon posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
The opposite, it's morally wrong to bring a sick child into existence

I think theres an argument for this tbh

That is just a world of suffering. I work in a school, and Down syndrome isnt even the worst of it. Weve got some kids in a wheelchair with no use of their limbs that do nothing but gurgle, screech, and blow snot bubbles... Im sorry, but what is the point?

Well what's the point of having kids at all if they all will get sick and die one day? People should just not have kids and then they'll never have to go through pain and die.

Im not even going to address your replies if youre not going to even put in an attempt to be intellectually honest

Do what you want. It's a serious question. We're trying to decide which sick kids should be aborted and a natural conclusion from that idea is to never have kids so they'll never go through pain.
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Touch
10/19/18 12:32:22 PM
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TCs sister gonna get kicked by that one dude from that video
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Sativa_Rose
10/19/18 12:33:16 PM
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zombiexdeathx posted...
no, in fact some conditions it ought to be mandatory


Mandatory? What the fuck? No way. That's called tyranny, son.

I don't think it's unethical, but we should be honest that it is a form of eugenics. We need to start thinking more about eugenics in general. We should want humans to have the genes that will lead to them having the best shot at happy and fulfilling lives.
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Damn_Underscore
10/19/18 12:34:25 PM
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Yes, but that's something you have to weigh on your own. It's obviously very tough to raise someone who has downs syndrome, and not everyone is up for that.

All you can really do is hope for forgiveness.
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Houston
10/19/18 12:34:38 PM
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People with down syndrome are still able to live full filling lives and often even work and become quite independant.

I'd say it's not grounds for abortion
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